CroLifter
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Most likely hcg will bounce you back but i would be using it at leqst intermittently if you plan on having kids sometime in the future,
Clen’s Ongoing Log of Insanity
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ChocolateClen
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I asked about it and most people said it’s better to just wait and run it for longer before I want to have kids then try to run it now and keep everything going. It’s temperamental so you can’t really travel with it which makes it even harder for me. The clinic I went too basically said not to worry till I need to worry.
CroLifter
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I would then run it when you are able to.
Imho going long term without testicular function will cause permanent damage. But that is just my opinion, i wont cycle without hcg. Not only does it help recovery, but it prevents any leydig cell atrophy because even small doses (250 iu eod) fully maintain intratesticular T compared to baseline, which means even though you are running gear, your testicles are working normally.
Imho going long term without testicular function will cause permanent damage. But that is just my opinion, i wont cycle without hcg. Not only does it help recovery, but it prevents any leydig cell atrophy because even small doses (250 iu eod) fully maintain intratesticular T compared to baseline, which means even though you are running gear, your testicles are working normally.
ChocolateClen
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Yeah it’s important to keep them going but at the same time I don’t have much of a choice since insurance won’t pay for it. From what I’ve read online too most guys recover to normal sperm counts or only slightly low with long term high dose HCG use so that’s why I’m not suuuuper worried. But at the same time I am worried cause it’ll be a bit longer till i have kids
ChocolateClen
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Run me roughly 300 a month to go UG
CroLifter
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Holy cow wtf is that bahahhaha is your hcg laced with platinum?
ChocolateClen
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Hard to get that’s all. And I’d need a fair amount of it to keep me going
ChocolateClen
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So this nee year has been a fucking train wreck for me. Gf dumped me when I went up to see her, which happened 2 days ago. So I’m pretty fucked up mentally. I don’t know what plan to start up since I kinda finished CD, I’ll probably hop on colossus since it seems like another hypertrophy program but I’m gonna add more squatting to it, I have a photo shoot for my business in a few weeks so I need to get looking good for that.
Gf really fucked me, completely blindsided me with the break up so I’m kinda a mess mentally. Dragging myself through life. I’m gonna run another cycle though, it’s too soon but idc at this point because it’ll make me workout and it’ll keep my mind where it needs to be. Test Prop, SD for 8 weeks. I have Exem on hand too I’ll probably run that on Monday and Thursday at 6.25 mg. Just once a week to start to see how my nips do then maybe 2x if they start to get touchy.
Been sick to my stomach since she called it off, but I’m trying to fix that. Got a weird smell in my nose too, almost like ammonia but I don’t know if it was from the plane trip down or what. Started Bp medication up as well but it hasn’t done much to be honest. I’ll probably run the cialis again if I need too. I don’t know for sure though I’m just gonna play the Bp by ear
Got a cold from the plane trip back just right add insult to Injury
Gf really fucked me, completely blindsided me with the break up so I’m kinda a mess mentally. Dragging myself through life. I’m gonna run another cycle though, it’s too soon but idc at this point because it’ll make me workout and it’ll keep my mind where it needs to be. Test Prop, SD for 8 weeks. I have Exem on hand too I’ll probably run that on Monday and Thursday at 6.25 mg. Just once a week to start to see how my nips do then maybe 2x if they start to get touchy.
Been sick to my stomach since she called it off, but I’m trying to fix that. Got a weird smell in my nose too, almost like ammonia but I don’t know if it was from the plane trip down or what. Started Bp medication up as well but it hasn’t done much to be honest. I’ll probably run the cialis again if I need too. I don’t know for sure though I’m just gonna play the Bp by ear
Got a cold from the plane trip back just right add insult to Injury
Ironpirate
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Hang in there bro, things will get better.
ChocolateClen
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Yeah I know, I thought she was the one though. I planned out my future around her and all that and it’s just up in smoke cause she decided one day she no longer saw a future with me. So I’m just gonna get big, lift a lot and focus on my business.
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CroLifter
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I dont think making emotional decisions is going to help. I woukd stick to the schedule as far as cycling, no need to put your health at risk because of a woman, except your mother or your daughter.
See this is the reason i dont engage in relationships. I simply do not want the hassle. And the rewards are not worth it for me. I cant remember when was the last time i fell in love, back when i was like 9. I simply do not care.
Dont let this derail you, the way you like to derail naturallyhard's threads
See this is the reason i dont engage in relationships. I simply do not want the hassle. And the rewards are not worth it for me. I cant remember when was the last time i fell in love, back when i was like 9. I simply do not care.
Dont let this derail you, the way you like to derail naturallyhard's threads
ChocolateClen
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I dont think making emotional decisions is going to help. I woukd stick to the schedule as far as cycling, no need to put your health at risk because of a woman, except your mother or your daughter.
See this is the reason i dont engage in relationships. I simply do not want the hassle. And the rewards are not worth it for me. I cant remember when was the last time i fell in love, back when i was like 9. I simply do not care.
Dont let this derail you, the way you like to derail naturallyhard's threads
The schedule was to wait another 8 weeks before running again. It’s early but I know it’s either going to be alcohol or cycling. There really isn’t an in between because my in between Is one hell of a fucked up place right now. Might as well just use the one that gives me something in the long term that I know I can balance out with sups like tudca choline and insitol etc. already on TRT so I don’t have to worry about that part of it.
I’ve been cheated on before but at least when that happened I knew what happened and what was going to happen. Here.... I don’t know. It’s a dark dark place for me right now because it’s a path I’ve never been down so I’ve never lit the torches as I walked it.
MrKleen73
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It is a bit easier to let go when they give you a reason to hate them. I think you should throw yourself full force into a cut for your photo shoot but pass on the cycle. There is an in between and you can make it happen. Just don't drink, and cut so you are looking jacked for your shoot. However if you feel you are going to cycle anyway then put that negative energy to good use and crush it. I will be here to support you regardless of which way you go.
ChocolateClen
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Yeah I’m gonna run the same cycle I did, 300 mg of test plus my TrT for 8 weeks and 12mg SD Ed for 4 weeks. Might throw some prov in in the last 4 weeks. Going to cut again on it so I can get that 6 pack back, no gf anymore I might as well give her something to miss. She liked my body a lot so might as well raise hell in her mind by making it absolutely god like.
MrKleen73
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That and it will make finding some get your mind off of her poon that much easier...
ChocolateClen
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That and it will make finding some get your mind off of her poon that much easier...
Finding girls I wanna actually smash is harder than it looks, I’m picky lol.
MrKleen73
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Funny, I used to be and my wife is proof of that. However now my tastes are changing to enjoying the idea of some softer women that don't have to be anywhere near my old ideal of perfect. A woman with sex appeal is a woman with sex appeal regardless of fitness level now. Strange how that happened... Don't get me wrong, I still love the perfect bodies and all. However sometimes I see women and am like DAYUM that looks tasty knowing full well they wouldn't have been on my radar or would have been friend zoned in the past. Of course all women are friend zoned now being married but you get what I am saying.
CroLifter
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I think that when you start saying things like "it is either steroids or alcohol" then you start getting into danger territory.
I find myself craving to cycle, but then i have to ask myself what is my relationship with these drugs? Is it a healthy relationship (if such thing can exist), something i use sporadically to in my mind improve my life or is it full blown addiction?
Rather than that, make it "either hardcore full blown high intensity in the gym or alcohol" ☺
I find myself craving to cycle, but then i have to ask myself what is my relationship with these drugs? Is it a healthy relationship (if such thing can exist), something i use sporadically to in my mind improve my life or is it full blown addiction?
Rather than that, make it "either hardcore full blown high intensity in the gym or alcohol" ☺
ChocolateClen
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I think that when you start saying things like "it is either steroids or alcohol" then you start getting into danger territory.
I find myself craving to cycle, but then i have to ask myself what is my relationship with these drugs? Is it a healthy relationship (if such thing can exist), something i use sporadically to in my mind improve my life or is it full blown addiction?
Rather than that, make it "either hardcore full blown high intensity in the gym or alcohol"
It’s an addiction for me now lol I’ll fully admit it. I got addicted after my first test run. Not because it made me feel good but because it made me want to lift more, be in my happy place more which made me feel good. Not to mention it’s my job to look good so any help I get with looking good I’ll take. I’m ok with that, there’s way worse to be addicted too. Being addicted to the gym isn’t a bad thing, I don’t think this is either as long as you keep it safe, ie the right support sups etc.
ChocolateClen
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I think that when you start saying things like "it is either steroids or alcohol" then you start getting into danger territory.
I find myself craving to cycle, but then i have to ask myself what is my relationship with these drugs? Is it a healthy relationship (if such thing can exist), something i use sporadically to in my mind improve my life or is it full blown addiction?
Rather than that, make it "either hardcore full blown high intensity in the gym or alcohol"
It’s an addiction for me now lol I’ll fully admit it. I got addicted after my first test run. Not because it made me feel good but because it made me want to lift more, be in my happy place more which made me feel good. Not to mention it’s my job to look good so any help I get with looking good I’ll take.
MrKleen73
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I think Cro's point is all addictions feel good until they don't and most do not consider running cycles as anything but positive because it gets them towards their goals and don't recognize their addictions until they have a meltdown. That being said... If running a methyl cycle helps keep you from going into a serious drinking binge then yeah I would say it is probably the healthier and at a minimum more productive option. Just sounds super reckless when reading it in text compared to just hearing it said if that makes any sense.
For a bit I got compulsive about running cycles and because of that and injuries I have backed off quite a bit. Has been over a year since I touched anything other than my TRT. However I haven't been able to push hard enough to justify it. I will also say honestly that if my injury situation was better I would have ZERO problem hopping on a cycle now just to shortcut back to the physique I prefer quickly. If I get this nerve issue squared away soon that is most likely what I will do. It is a recreational drug, and for now helping you so you do you and enjoy it! I will be here to watch the gains roll in!
For a bit I got compulsive about running cycles and because of that and injuries I have backed off quite a bit. Has been over a year since I touched anything other than my TRT. However I haven't been able to push hard enough to justify it. I will also say honestly that if my injury situation was better I would have ZERO problem hopping on a cycle now just to shortcut back to the physique I prefer quickly. If I get this nerve issue squared away soon that is most likely what I will do. It is a recreational drug, and for now helping you so you do you and enjoy it! I will be here to watch the gains roll in!
ChocolateClen
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So I’m like 80% over her. I saw Jocko in person last night and he dropped some knowledge that helped a lot. Now I’m trying to find a dog to keep me from being lonely and give me something to do aside from just work and the gym. I was thinking a retired police dog or military dog./ good boy (or girl) who needs a nice home to finish out their life and have fun. A trainee flunkee would work too haha, I just want a dog with a lot of drive that knows a lot of commands and requires me to be active with them. I don’t want a normal dog that just lounges around
MrKleen73
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I could see how Jocko could get you over a hump. Interesting thoughts on the retire police dogs but do they even do that? I always assumed those retire at home with their "partner." Aka the officer they worked with. Seems it would be a liability to let someone adopt a trained attack dog which is what police dogs are. Get a rescue pit, tons of energy and ridiculously loyal.
ChocolateClen
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They do, it’s not often but sometimes military dogs get out early too. I wouldn’t mind having a fur missile that loves me but I can also release on command, but it’s rare to get a police dog. Might get lucky some day who knows
MrKleen73
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Oh yeah I forgot about drug sniffing dogs, you might be able to get one of those. Even then I can't imagine the government wanting to release that type of trained dog out for free unless they were problematic or getting old which wouldn't fit into your energetic criteria probably the same for bomb sniffing dogs.
MrKleen73
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The reality is not dog is going to force you to be active, they will just misbehave if you aren't active enough with them. You wouldn't want a Milanois Shepard unless you had A LOT of time to dedicate to them. That is what a lot of police forces use but they get VERY high strung if you can not keep them busy and exercise and work them multiple times a day. A good pit or even a smaller hyper dog would be good if you want something energetic that loves to work and train. Pits are hands down my favorite dogs that I have owned. So energetic and loyal but depending on where you live problematic due to the BS stigma associated with them. Good luck finding something. Oh if you are somewhere near where they race Grey hounds you can do that, they need to be exercised all the time as well. However the race dogs are not typically well trained.
MrKleen73
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@ChocolateClen Hey Bud, you alright? You were in a rough spot then disappeared on us.
ChocolateClen
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Long story, but we’re back, we’re on the TRT again and we’re gonna kick some ass this year… I don’t know how much ass we’re kicking but probably nothing crazy… might be my own ass I don’t know yet it’s to be determined.
this log though is probably dead cause we’re starting from the ground… probably lower than that, maybe the basement.