Christian Friends - End Time Prophecies?

[Flaw]

I have never heard that. What bible? I'm Catholic and may follow a different bible, there are so many versions. I'm not saying you are wrong or anything just curious.

There are a lot of bible translations but most of them say the same thing. Just use a different word here and there that means the same thing. The biggest difference in the mordern day bibles is God's name Jehovah has been removed for no good reason. You can take your original King James version that you probably grew up with (not the new KJV) and look up mark 13:32. At Psalms 83:18 you will also see God's name.

 

[madds87]

There are a lot of bible translations but most of them say the same thing. Just use a different word here and there that means the same thing. The biggest difference in the mordern day bibles is God's name Jehovah has been removed for no good reason. You can take your original King James version that you probably grew up with (not the new KJV) and look up mark 13:32. At Psalms 83:18 you will also see God's name.

I looked online the verse but psalms has the word "Lord". Now when yall say God's name is taken out what do you mean? The actual word God?

 

[fueledpassion]

I suggest you review the scriptures I posted earlier that indentify who the anti-christ is.

1 John 2:22 " Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. "

Here you have the biblical definition of the anti-christ. This "group" would include anyone who denies the father and the son. There is no limitations.

So your saying the rider on the white horse is the anti-christ? Do you realize what white represents in the bible? Something that is Holy and Unblemished. Christ-Like rather than anti-christ like. The scriptures identify who that person on the white horse is here.

Revelation 19: [SUP]11[/SUP] And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. [SUP]12[/SUP] His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. [SUP]13[/SUP] He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. [SUP]14[/SUP] And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. [SUP]15[/SUP] From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. [SUP]16[/SUP] And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

The word of God is none other than Jesus Christ our Lord. He is the rider on the white horse.

Also note this scripture I believe I did not post.

[SUP]1 John 2:18[/SUP] "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."


This identifies that there is more than one anti-christ. That is the group of people defined in 1 John 2:22 .


These aren't my words my friend. These are the scriptures.

You hit the nail on the head, sir.

People have terrible undertandings of the Bible and Revelations these days. It's pathetic. Too many would rather believe and tell what they "heard" from others rather than go and find out themselves. Honestly, public enemy #1 for the bodybuilding community also exist as public enemy #1 for Christians --we call it..."bro science" or "bro religion", lol. People on this board are talking out of their butts too much when they ought to go read the Bible and use all that education they have for good use!

Yeah, I think Obama is sly and talented, much like Satan. But is he Satan? Heck I dunno. I know people are often times under the influence of Satan and don't even know it. I think people should go look up the definition of "demon". You might be surprised.

Here is a tangible reason why I think Obama is a tool of Satan used to wreck what good is left on this earth..

1) Obama is in fact a socialist.

Socialism presses for centralized power and less freedoms. Such freedoms removed are Christianity and everything that goes with it. Socialism also has most of its concern for money, rather than quality of life. It wants to distribute wealth to all and see to it that no one is prosperous rather than giving anyone an opportunity for it. In its early stages, it demonizes wealthy people and makes the poor and middle classes dependent upon the government. It encourages itself to spread to other countries, and eventually becoming a worldwide way of life. So it in essence creates dissension and dependency. In order for socialism to occur, Carl Marx made comments about what must go from the U.S. for it to happen. It was the 4 "C's". Common Law, Common Sense, Constitution, and the Commandments.

Remember, Obama is moving us in this direction and in a much faster way than any president before him. Some of you are asking, "what does this have to do with the anti-Christ?" Well, I don't think Obama is anything special when it comes to encouraging hell on earth, so to speak. But I do think he is a tool of Satan to "set the stage" for Satan's coming. He is basically setting up the world to receive Satan with open arms..

I would also like to add that I believe socialism could work...but only if it is God that is in total power, not man. It will not work with man's efforts because we are selfish, sinful and harmful beings towards one another. And I do not want to continue into a political-religious debate, either. It's just my .02 Thats it!

 

[vidapreta]

Why is it that whenever there is a religious thread, everyones posts are like 3 pages long??

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[Flaw]

I looked online the verse but psalms has the word "Lord". Now when yall say God's name is taken out what do you mean? The actual word God?

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BibleGateway is a pretty good resource to find many bibles. Just hit the bar where it says the name of the bible version and you will see a whole bunch of bibles listed.

When I say God's name has been taken out I mean his personal name. Many people today don't even realize he has a personal name because many people are using bibles which don't have his name in it. Rather you will see Lord. His name in hebrew was represented by the four characters called The Tetragrammaton. Which appeared nearly 7,000x in the original texts.

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[vidapreta]

Why do you people always come to my house when I've just sat down to eat??

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[AE14]

The mayan civilization was revolutionary in many ways but they also believed the earth was flat and some believed the earth was actually on the back of a crocodile. LOL.. The bible said the earth was a circle or sphere at Isaiah 40:22.

Your arguement is a common one. That these things have been seen for centuries. I see your stance. I get it. But I have to disagree also because things are very different from the stories of my ancestors and just since I was a child. Peoples attitudes have changed. Everything that is bad continues to get worse. The bar of what is moral and good continues to be dropped. How do you stop these trends? Are they somehow gonna work themselves out? Drugs aren't going anywhere, war isn't going anywhere, violence isn't going anywhere, death and sickness isn't going anywhere. We are all riding on a freight train going 1,000mph heading towards the side of a mountain and we must be stopped before we kill ouselves.

You bring up leadership. There is no "Good" leadership. Well what defines good leadership in your opinion? Isn't it different from everyone elses opinion? Also how can one logically expect one guy to come into office and change everything if the people around him aren't working with him in unity? Just the fact that our country has 2 major political parties says there's division. How can 2 sides be one? They can't. Until they are one they will always argue who is right and NOTHING will get solved. As we see today.

Does not history reveal that all governments have always failed at some point? A empire arises and another falls and the cycle continues. There has to be a ultimate government. ONE way. A global way. True unity. This is the government God is promising to come. Beside this hope. I have none. History has proven to me faith in man is futile.

Daniel 2:[SUP]44[/SUP] In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. "

I am not going to get into the biblical issues and my disagreement (you and I have been down that road before) however, I do think that you are underestimating the knowledge and abilities of the Maya. Bear in mind, I in no way think that they predicted the end of the world, however, many of their predictions were accurate. A solar eclipse 1000 years in advance, their own demise at Copan. There are plenty of examples. Also, the Maya did not believe that the world was flat. Their astronomical knowledge was impressive, couple that with the fact that most ancient civilizations knew the earth was round (that knowledge, like much more, was lost during the dark ages, when the focus was on religion)

I would agree that leadership is a subjective concept without a true definition. However, like many things, we know good leadership when we see it.

 

[madds87]

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BibleGateway is a pretty good resource to find many bibles. Just hit the bar where it says the name of the bible version and you will see a whole bunch of bibles listed.

When I say God's name has been taken out I mean his personal name. Many people today don't even realize he has a personal name because many people are using bibles which don't have his name in it. Rather you will see Lord. His name in hebrew was represented by the four characters called The Tetragrammaton. Which appeared nearly 7,000x in the original texts.

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Wow I did not know that... Ill be looking up on this info.

 

[B5150]

Yeah, I think Obama is sly and talented, much like Satan. But is he Satan? Heck I dunno. I know people are often times under the influence of Satan and don't even know it. I think people should go look up the definition of "demon". You might be surprised.

The anti-christ is not Satan nor is Satan the anti-christ.

 

[vidapreta]

The anti-christ is not Satan nor is Satan the anti-christ.

:thinking:

 

[madds87]

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BibleGateway is a pretty good resource to find many bibles. Just hit the bar where it says the name of the bible version and you will see a whole bunch of bibles listed.

When I say God's name has been taken out I mean his personal name. Many people today don't even realize he has a personal name because many people are using bibles which don't have his name in it. Rather you will see Lord. His name in hebrew was represented by the four characters called The Tetragrammaton. Which appeared nearly 7,000x in the original texts.

Wikipedia "Jehovah (pronounced Invalid Link Removed) is an Invalid Link Removed representation of Invalid Link Removed יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Invalid Link Removed יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the Invalid Link Removed in the Invalid Link Removed.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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But is this considered bad that instead of it being jehovah its replaced with Lord...? I mean i dunno atleast it doesnt say something else. I still know what the bible is talking about when it says Lord..... dont really understand how this could be bad....

 

[Clickster]

I have some very strong opinions with some topics in this thread....
However, I take my rep position for AX very seriously; which is going to keep me civil and keep me out of controversial threads.

I will continue reading though.

 

[madds87]

So the anti christ is multiple things? Or people?

 

[NuclearLaunch]

So the anti christ is multiple things? Or people?

The anti Christ is anything that doesn't believe or tries to bring down Christianity. I like what was said in one of the above post.

 

[madds87]

I do to and had never considered this idea. But makes me think.

 

[Whacked]

Generally speaking YES

But ultimately, there will be ONE single being labed as THE ANTI-CHRIST

Similarly, there are many False Prophets but ultimately there will be ONE single being labed as THE FALSE PROPHET

The anti Christ is anything that doesn't believe or tries to bring down Christianity. I like what was said in one of the above post.

 

[Flaw]

You hit the nail on the head, sir.

People have terrible undertandings of the Bible and Revelations these days. It's pathetic. Too many would rather believe and tell what they "heard" from others rather than go and find out themselves. Honestly, public enemy #1 for the bodybuilding community also exist as public enemy #1 for Christians --we call it..."bro science" or "bro religion", lol. People on this board are talking out of their butts too much when they ought to go read the Bible and use all that education they have for good use!

The problem is they are teaching lies in church! Teachings based on traditions of men and not of God and people blindly believe them. Then you question the teaching and you get told "I know it sounds crazy but you have to have faith and if you don't believe what you are taught you have no faith". For example.

Child says "Preacher Jesus is the son of God right?"
Preacher: Yes son
Child says: So who is God
Preacher: Jesus
Child says: Why would he say he is the son and not just say he is God
Preacher: You just have to believe son
Child says: but preacher when Jesus prayed who did he pray to?
Preacher: God
Child says: So he was praying to himself?
Preacher: No, he was praying to God
Child says: but God is him?
Preacher: Yes, You just have to have faith son

This conversation is all too common in churches today.

 

[carpee]

Generally speaking YES

But ultimately, there will be ONE single being labed as THE Anti-Christ

Much like Christ followers are "christians"

Non followers or entities used to take away from Gods glory are anti-christs.

But I agree and believe there will be one human leader as the "anti christ" or prince or whatever you'd like to refer to it as

 

[Whacked]

Flaw: I tried to give you props LOL

I was joking and being sarcastic. Geesh - who pissed in your Wheaties?

I think there are many Anti-Christs and I think there have been many over time but I think there will be ONE ANTI-CHRIST that will fulfill the prophesies in the book of Revelation (see my posts above)

I think there are many False-Prophets and I think there have been many over time but I think there will ONE FALSE PROPHET that will fulfill the prophesies in the book of Revelation (see my posts above)

I concur that Satan has deceived MANY!!!!!! That IS HIS objective by the way.

PS: I respect your knowledge

When you say being? Are you saying that the false prophet is one individual person? Like a human?

If your telling me the anti-christ is one being does that mean you believe a person will arise and claim that position?

Me? Have the power to convince the masses? Jesus christ himself could not convince the masses when he performed miracles in front of their eyes. What would make you think me, a measly imperfect human like myself could do the same? I'am not trying to be right. I'am only trying to fullfill my scriptural obligation to preach and defend the truth about God and his word.

It's interesting you bring up satan and the bible. He has managed to remove God's name from most of the 19th century bibles that have been published. Is it a Coincidence that all signs point to the end and people are handed bibles in which they can't even find God's name? I think not.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Christians don't say PISS? Lol
And they capitalize the C in Christ! You're all the anti Christ!

 

[fueledpassion]

Well I'm glad that we can still have a sense of humor about all this..

 

[Flaw]

I am not going to get into the biblical issues and my disagreement (you and I have been down that road before) however, I do think that you are underestimating the knowledge and abilities of the Maya. Bear in mind, I in no way think that they predicted the end of the world, however, many of their predictions were accurate. A solar eclipse 1000 years in advance, their own demise at Copan. There are plenty of examples. Also, the Maya did not believe that the world was flat. Their astronomical knowledge was impressive, couple that with the fact that most ancient civilizations knew the earth was round (that knowledge, like much more, was lost during the dark ages, when the focus was on religion)

I would agree that leadership is a subjective concept without a true definition. However, like many things, we know good leadership when we see it.

yea, we don't have to go there bro.

I definetely respect what the maya's have done in the scientific world but for myself it's only Interesting, not helpful. The only positive thing that they have contributed to my life is bringing chocolate to the world.

I haven't found any research to suggest they believed the earth was round anywhere. Maybe you are referring to the time after the spaniards took over?

We know good leadership when we see it but really has there ever been good leadership? Moments..at best. Like a flash of lightning.

 

[Flaw]

But is this considered bad that instead of it being jehovah its replaced with Lord...? I mean i dunno atleast it doesnt say something else. I still know what the bible is talking about when it says Lord..... dont really understand how this could be bad....

I believe if it wasn't important the name wouldn't exist so many times in the original texts. This tells me that God wants us to know his name. A name identifies who you are. Think about it. How would you feel when you see a person a lot and they still don't remember your name? You get a little offended after awhile. It makes you think they don't care to know you.

Lord is merely a title. You can't replace a name with a title. It's like replacing your name "john" with sir.

A name connects a personal relationship, would u agree?

In an article in the Anglican Theological Review (October 1959), Dr. Walter Lowrie wrote: "In human relationships it is highly important to know the proper name, the personal name, of one we love, to whom we are speaking, or even about whom we speak. Precisely so it is in man's relation to God. A man who does not know God by name does not really know him as a person, has no speaking acquaintance with him (which is what is meant by prayer), and he cannot love him, if he knows him only as an impersonal force."

Romans 10:13 "All who call on the Lord’s name will be saved"

There are many scriptures but this one is just one example to show that the lord's name is emphasized. Otherwise it would just say "the lord will be saved".

 

[madds87]

Hmmmmm ok I undetstand. But whatwould be the motive behind the church for doing this? Couldnt be a missinterpretation?

 

[madds87]

Well then when you prey do you start dear Jehovah? If so I like it and will start this.

 

[madds87]

Pray* sry cant type on this phone...

 

[AE14]

yea, we don't have to go there bro.

I definetely respect what the maya's have done in the scientific world but for myself it's only Interesting, not helpful. The only positive thing that they have contributed to my life is bringing chocolate to the world.

I haven't found any research to suggest they believed the earth was round anywhere. Maybe you are referring to the time after the spaniards took over?

We know good leadership when we see it but really has there ever been good leadership? Moments..at best. Like a flash of lightning.

I disagree completely on the Maya. They were the first civilization with a written value for zero. For the earth issue, read through their codices, much of what they believed and referenced is there. I will tell you, that after the Spanish took over(as was the case in most Mesoamerica) society declined immensely. Conversion by the sword can't work.

Your last comment is excellent and I commend you as I couldn't have said it better myself. Kudos

edit: I also want to add, I think we are overlooking the role of the romans as the antichrist. Nero (as I mentioned earlier) has been shown to behave and possess many of the requisite characteristics needed to fit this mold. We must remember how horribly treated both Jews and Christians were by the Romans, and think logically about how those groups would view the Romans. Hell....Nero was nuts. I am going to assume that most here are aware of the last days of his life, where he was sentenced by the senate (while still Emperor) to be beaten to death, or how he treated hi smother for not accepting his marriage to a woman he later kicked to death?

I think as an anti-christ goes, Nero is example 1

In terms of the NT descriptions and characteristics, I have not seen one public figure that qualifies across the board. Nor do I think that one person will show up in that way either

 

[Whacked]

Killer post

5 Reasons Why Obama Is NOT the Antichrist
Can he even be Antichrist? The Bible is very explicit as to the requirements for Antichrist.

1) Antichrist's original emphasis will be Jewish - Antichrist must deceive the Jewish people into accepting his claims to be the Jewish Messiah.

Therefore, he must be able to prove his lineage back to King David. Listen to the prophecy:

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:7)

2) Antichrist must come out of the "Revived Roman Empire" -- Great Britain and Europe. (Daniel 9:26b) Listen to this strange wording:

"... And the people of the other prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed."

3) Antichrist will not be married -- Daniel 11:37

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." (Dan 11:37)

Antichrist will not desire women; Evangelical Bible scholars have long held that this prophecy means that the coming "Man of Perdition" will not be married, and may be gay. Obviously, since Barack Obama is married with two children, he is disqualified from being the Biblical Antichrist.

4) Antichrist will not regard any god, but will worship the 'god of forces' - Daniel 11:38

"But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour." (Daniel 11:38)

Which god does Obama honor? He has professed to be a Christian, and he has said that he prays to Jesus daily. This means that with his lips, he honors Jesus Christ. He also committed a slip of the tongue when he made reference to "my Muslim faith". Thus, it is evident that he honors Allah, the god of Islam. As the famous Islamic saying goes, "Allah is god, and Mohammed is his prophet".

Therefore, Obama cannot be Antichrist.

5) Antichrist must carry the title, "Prince"! Let us return back to Daniel 9:26, as we quoted above, to pick up one critically important prophetic fact.

"... And the people of the other prince who will come ..."

Antichrist must carry the title, "Prince" prior to his arising on the world scene! Only the monarchies of Great Britain and Europe (the Revived Roman Empire) carry the titles "Prince", "King" and "Queen". This fact takes us back to the Revived Roman Empire, does it not? Since Barack Obama does not carry the title, "Prince", he is disqualified to be Antichrist.

For these reasons, Senator Barack Obama cannot be THE Biblical Antichrist.

However, he can be and undoubtedly is, "an antichrist".

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists..." (1 John 2:18)

Yes Nero was also an antichrist but not the antichrist of the last days.

Just food for thought..

 

[Whacked]

Not trying to split hairs but what do you call your mother? Jane, Mary,Sue (insert correct name) or "MOM"

When I pray, I call Jehovah...."GOD" or "FATHER"

The same argument can be made here for an interpersonal relationship no different than callign our mothers MOM as opposed to their first name as it's ALSO an intimate expression/reflection of our very persojal relationship we are supposed to have with Jehovah.

I think the important thing to take from this is to have a personal relationship with Jehovah/GOD and not to get caught up in such things.

Even when Jesus prayed (Matthew 6:9-10), HE used the word "FATHER" and NOT Jehovah ("Our Father, who art in Heaven.............") + ("Father, forgive them, they know not what they do") as a few examples.

Also, as you referenced ...Romans 10:13 "All who call on the Lord’s name will be saved"

Do you really think GOD/JEHOVAH/OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN will deny salvation to anyone NOT using His ACTUAL name (Jehovah)?

NO WAY!

I believe if it wasn't important the name wouldn't exist so many times in the original texts. This tells me that God wants us to know his name. A name identifies who you are. Think about it. How would you feel when you see a person a lot and they still don't remember your name? You get a little offended after awhile. It makes you think they don't care to know you.

Lord is merely a title. You can't replace a name with a title. It's like replacing your name "john" with sir.

A name connects a personal relationship, would u agree?

In an article in the Anglican Theological Review (October 1959), Dr. Walter Lowrie wrote: "In human relationships it is highly important to know the proper name, the personal name, of one we love, to whom we are speaking, or even about whom we speak. Precisely so it is in man's relation to God. A man who does not know God by name does not really know him as a person, has no speaking acquaintance with him (which is what is meant by prayer), and he cannot love him, if he knows him only as an impersonal force."

Romans 10:13 "All who call on the Lord’s name will be saved"

There are many scriptures but this one is just one example to show that the lord's name is emphasized. Otherwise it would just say "the lord will be saved".

 

[Whacked]

I highly doubt that God/Jehovah/Father/Creator/Elohim/Yahweh/El Shaddai demand that you ONLY limit yourself to ONE NAME. I would argue that this a forest thru the trees argument and that He is simply happy that you are praying as opposed to engaging in sin.

When you pray, pray with meaning and about the "proper content" (dont just give God a laundry list of your needs! He is not our butler! He is Almighty GOD) .....and engage your mind/soul/heart in a subordinate frame of worship.

Look at Jesus’ instruction on prayer (and how He addresses God) in Matthew that begins this way:
“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

Jesus’ instruction on prayer in Matthew continued with this admonition:

“When you pray, do not babble repetitiously like the Gentiles, because they think that by their many words they will be heard. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him” (Matthew 6:7-8).

Well then when you prey do you start dear Jehovah? If so I like it and will start this.

 

[BBB]

The anti Christ is anything that doesn't believe or tries to bring down Christianity. I like what was said in one of the above post.

That's anti-christian not necessarily "the anti-christ". The anti-christ will be a person claiming to be Christ.

 

[Flaw]

I disagree completely on the Maya. They were the first civilization with a written value for zero. For the earth issue, read through their codices, much of what they believed and referenced is there. I will tell you, that after the Spanish took over(as was the case in most Mesoamerica) society declined immensely. Conversion by the sword can't work.

Your last comment is excellent and I commend you as I couldn't have said it better myself. Kudos

edit: I also want to add, I think we are overlooking the role of the romans as the antichrist. Nero (as I mentioned earlier) has been shown to behave and possess many of the requisite characteristics needed to fit this mold. We must remember how horribly treated both Jews and Christians were by the Romans, and think logically about how those groups would view the Romans. Hell....Nero was nuts. I am going to assume that most here are aware of the last days of his life, where he was sentenced by the senate (while still Emperor) to be beaten to death, or how he treated hi smother for not accepting his marriage to a woman he later kicked to death?

I think as an anti-christ goes, Nero is example 1

In terms of the NT descriptions and characteristics, I have not seen one public figure that qualifies across the board. Nor do I think that one person will show up in that way either

Do you have a specific codex because there are quite a few

What about the mayan's spiritual beliefs? Not too extreme for you?

Conversion by the sword does not work! Agreed! So the spaniards came in and basically forced the mayan's to become christian. Well what is the end result. You have roman catholic mayan's. LOL!

Nero was definetely a evil man but I think anyone that has the mark of the anti-christ would have to be from Jesus day forward. And I say this because of the bibles definition. The Jewish people that rejected him would definetely be anti-christs. Nero most definetely. The roman Empire really marked the birth of all that is evil in religion.

As a side note When constantine came to power "Arianism, a heresy which challenged the church's view of God (the father) and Jesus (the son), was creating a serious divide in the church. Constantine called the famous Council of Nicaea which decided the definition of the Christian deity as the Holy Trinity, God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Had Christianity previously been unclear about its message then the Council of Nicaea (together with a later council at Constantinople in 381 AD) created a clearly defined core belief. However, the nature of its creation - a council - and the diplomatically sensitive way in defining the formula, to many suggests the creed of the Holy Trinity to be rather a political construct between theologians and politicians rather than anything achieved by divine inspiration."

So Constantine and his council MADE up the doctrine of the trinity. IT WAS MAN MADE. This tradition however still lingers today and is the core of many christian beliefs but it is however NOT christian. The early christians did not believe in a trione God.

I agree with you. No ONE figure has been seen or will show up. I can't find scriptural support of that.

 

[Flaw]

Flaw: I tried to give you props LOL

I was joking and being sarcastic. Geesh - who pissed in your Wheaties?

I think there are many Anti-Christs and I think there have been many over time but I think there will be ONE ANTI-CHRIST that will fulfill the prophesies in the book of Revelation (see my posts above)

I think there are many False-Prophets and I think there have been many over time but I think there will ONE FALSE PROPHET that will fulfill the prophesies in the book of Revelation (see my posts above)

I concur that Satan has deceived MANY!!!!!! That IS HIS objective by the way.

PS: I respect your knowledge

Hey I'am not upset with you, I was just trying to get a feel where your coming from.

I really can't find scriptural basis for the anti-christ and the false prophet being one individual. I believe they are both one group, made up of many individuals.

 

[carpee]

Hey I'am not upset with you, I was just trying to get a feel where your coming from.

I really can't find scriptural basis for the anti-christ and the false prophet being one individual. I believe they are both one group, made up of many individuals.

Could this be other religions then?

I dont want to offend anyone but Islam comes to mind...
As RADICAL ISLAM (edit) teaches to convert everyone to Islam or kill them, ultimately.

 

[Flaw]

Hmmmmm ok I undetstand. But whatwould be the motive behind the church for doing this? Couldnt be a missinterpretation?

I believe it all started out as a Jewish superstition. They believed it was wrong to pronounce the name of God. Eventually it was removed froms texts and Then it became a trend and snowballed. So instead of doing the research and preserving God's name many bible writers actually decided to follow a Jewish superstition.

 

[madds87]

Could this be other religions then?

I dont want to offend anyone but Islam comes to mind...
As the Quran teaches to convert everyone to Islam or kill them, ultimately.

Islam as the anti-christ? Now thats a thought....

 

[Flaw]

Well then when you prey do you start dear Jehovah? If so I like it and will start this.

I usually start out with thank you Jehovah for this day, ect. Dear is perfectly fine too as the word dear shares a personal connection and then I always end the prayer in "Jesus name, amen." or "In christ Jesus name", amen.

 

[carpee]

Islam as the anti-christ? Now thats a thought....

Well they believe that their messiah will come when all the Jews are eradicated...

They are commanded to convert or kill.

They are also allowed and encouraged to lie if it were to further the overall purpose of Islam.
Meaning: hypothetically, one could claim to be a Christian to gain votes/support and enter high political positions, but really be a muslim. "my muslim faith...err christian faith"

Edit: this referring to radical Islam..not trying to offend!

 

[madds87]

Well they believe that their messiah will come when all the Jews are eradicated...

They are commanded to convert or kill.

They are also allowed and encouraged to lie if it were to further the overall purpose of Islam.
Meaning: hypothetically, one could claim to be a Christian to gain votes/support and enter high political positions, but really be a muslim. "my muslim faith...err christian faith"

Islam is such a violent religion..... I would not be surprised.

 

[Flaw]

Not trying to split hairs but what do you call your mother? Jane, Mary,Sue (insert correct name) or "MOM"

When I pray, I call Jehovah...."GOD" or "FATHER"

The same argument can be made here for an interpersonal relationship no different than callign our mothers MOM as opposed to their first name as it's ALSO an intimate expression/reflection of our very persojal relationship we are supposed to have with Jehovah.

I think the important thing to take from this is to have a personal relationship with Jehovah/GOD and not to get caught up in such things.

Even when Jesus prayed (Matthew 6:9-10), HE used the word "FATHER" and NOT Jehovah ("Our Father, who art in Heaven.............") + ("Father, forgive them, they know not what they do") as a few examples.

Also, as you referenced ...Romans 10:13 "All who call on the Lord’s name will be saved"

Do you really think GOD/JEHOVAH/OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN will deny salvation to anyone NOT using His ACTUAL name (Jehovah)?

NO WAY!

The name distiguishes who you are talking to though. It's personal. Again, God,father,mom are all titles. Not names. The bible states that there are many Gods and lord (even if they are fake) but it's important that express what God we are talking to.

[SUP]1 corinthians: 5-6: [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. "

Satan the devil is called the God of this world

2 cor. 4:4 "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them"

So I think we should make it CLEAR who we are praying to.

 

[Whacked]

All good points but when you are praying, arent you "thinking" about WHO you are praying to? You are intentionally seeking Someone, this Someone being Jehovah.

The Devil cannot possibly think you are praying to him; neither can any "gods" of this world when your mind, soul and heart are all engaged in prayer to Jehovah; especially given the content of your prayer (thanking Him for Jesus and all your blessings and to give you stentgth against evil,etc). When prayign to Jesus, I often call Him Lord. Again, there are many "lords" as you properly conveyed but in my prayer, I intimate WHICH Lord I am praying to. He knows.

The name distiguishes who you are talking to though. It's personal. Again, God,father,mom are all titles. Not names. The bible states that there are many Gods and lord (even if they are fake) but it's important that express what God we are talking to.

[SUP]1 corinthians: 5-6: [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. "

Satan the devil is called the God of this world

2 cor. 4:4 "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them"

So I think we should make it CLEAR who we are praying to.

 

[Whacked]

Agreed. Islam is the spirit of Anti-Christ; so is Mormonism, Atheism, and Scientology to name a few more for that matter.

Again though, there is only one "son of perdition". He will be the one to come in the
name of God to solve the worlds ills at that time. This is who most commonly
refer to as THE one Anti-Christ.

"The Abomination of Desolation" in Daniel and Revelation: There WILL be
people that usher 'him' (singular) in after the Rapture. The "Church" will no
longer be here when that happens, but 'he' will sit at 'his so-called throne'
and blaspheme The Lord God 'himself', and then God WILL finally destroy 'him'
+ his' minion.

2 Thess 2:1-12 before Christ returns, there will be apostasy and rise of
the 'lawless one' (singular)

Islam as the anti-christ? Now thats a thought....

 

[carpee]

Islam is such a violent religion..... I would not be surprised.

Violence plus ability to lie if it advances islam...

Scary scary combination.

There was recently a politician who frankly said we really can't trust Muslims
In our military...he was not being hateful or discriminatory. He simply states that if they truly believe the Qurans commands, how can we trust them in a military role?

I am in no way saying every Muslim is a hate filled murderer or radical jihadist...

But in their own "holy book" they say they are commanded to kill jews and convert non Muslims or kill them. (again, radicals)

 

[madds87]

Violence plus ability to lie if it advances islam...

Scary scary combination.

There was recently a politician who frankly said we really can't trust Muslims
In our military...he was not being hateful or discriminatory. He simply states that if they truly believe the Qurans commands, how can we trust them in a military role?

I am in no way saying every Muslim is a hate filled murderer or radical jihadist...

But in their own "holy book" they are commanded to kill jews and convert non Muslims or kill them.

And its groing so rapidly..... Faster than christianity. which is just beyond me. I deff would not be surprised.

 

[Flaw]

To understand the importance of a name you also have to understand Hebrew. Back then names carried weight. The name of God carries much weight. It is who he is. Jehovah actually means "He causes to become". Most people don't even know that Jesus or yeshua(his hebrew name) litteraly means "Jehovah is salvation".

If you did some research on names and origins you'd understand the importance of a name. Your gonna be shocked when you check out the link between God's name and other names.

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Researching names actually increased my faith in the bible because names are like a timeline. Not many people think about that

 

[carpee]

And its groing so rapidly..... Faster than christianity. which is just beyond me. I deff would not be surprised.

I'm not specifically saying Islam is or will produce the anti christ.

I am saying we should be aware of what others believe and are taught, and how this may all play into the upcoming events

 

[Whacked]

Do you all know that the Quran teaches:
Jesus rose from the dead by the hand of God (Muhammad is buried in the ground somewhere)
Jesus was performed miracles (Muhammad did not)
Jesus was born of a virgin (Muhammad was not)

YET: Muhammad is their savior? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Me thinks If I was Muslim, that Jesus guy is looking pretty cool and superior! Christianity's looking a little more sensible.

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[carpee]

Do you all know that the Quran teaches:
Jesus rose from the dead by the hand of God (Muhammad is buried in the ground somewhere)
Jesus was performed miracles (Muhammad did not)
Jesus was born of a virgin (Muhammad was not)

YET: Muhammad is their savior? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Me thinks If I was Muslim, that Jesus guy is looking pretty cool and superior! Christianity's looking a little more sensible.

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I will have to look into those.

I was under the impression the Quran denies the resurrection and any sort of divinity held my Jesus.

It's funny that some places where sharia is already established, they are not allowed to speak of the gospel or Jesus' name...sounds like Satan.

 

[madds87]

To understand the importance of a name you also have to understand Hebrew. Back then names carried weight. The name of God carries much weight. It is who he is. Jehovah actually means "He causes to become". Most people don't even know that Jesus or yeshua(his hebrew name) litteraly means "Jehovah is salvation".

If you did some research on names and origins you'd understand the importance of a name. Your gonna be shocked when you check out the link between God's name and other names.

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Researching names actually increased my faith in the bible because names are like a timeline. Not many people think about that

If i read this right. The thing that stuck out at me the most was that in the root of the diagrahm Gods name is hebrew and all of the other came from that hebrew name. could this be a proof of how christianity was shared/spread?

 

[Fast90]

But in their own "holy book" they are commanded to kill jews and convert non Muslims or kill them.

I haven't posted on this forum yet and usually just lurk, but I read this and was completely offended. Do some research and get your facts straight before you start claiming things. Islam does not command Muslims to kill Jews. Just like to everything there is two sides. Are you telling me there arent radical Christians or radical Jews? This is a sign of ignorance. Where you read that or heard is from the extremist side of Islam such as in Saudi arabia. The rest of Islam preaches peace and to be accepting of all religions.

YET: Muhammad is their savior? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Me thinks If I was Muslim, that Jesus guy is looking pretty cool and superior! Christianity's looking a little more sensible.

If you read more about Islam you would know the answer to your own question. Jesus, Mohammad and the rest of the prophets are of equal importance in Islam. None over the other. Prophet Mohammad is considered to be the one that brought Islam to the region is why he is also important. Islam believes in the teachings of Jesus, Moses and all.

It is not much different than the other two religions (Christianity and Judaism), do your research and don't believe everything you read or hear in the news.

I'm in no way trying to bash anybody but you all have to understand where I'm coming from. I have to deal with this on a daily basis from people who have a lack of knowledge. Im a regular American Muslim and do everything you guys do. I've taken PH's and do everything you guys do. There's just a few retards that give one side a bad name. Just please do your research.