caz and tygas ongoing log.. and w/e we decide to use.

tyga tyga said:
Start with one cap. First go around i had with glycobol it made me poop forest green, close to diarreah lol second time around it was great lol glycobol and slintensity are my top two GDAs
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So simple carbs are cool to count towards the required amount you think? Only used one serving thus far but used 2 caps today at lunch lol.
 
Hyde said:
So simple carbs are cool to count towards the required amount you think? Only used one serving thus far but used 2 caps today at lunch lol.
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I think so, just popped a slin sane before I ate a slice of pizza!! Carb up for a hefty back session tonight!!
 
SinX said:
Actually sounds really familiar to need2slin, well, the green poop and diarrhea for me a couple times actually as I'm eating my beef vegetable stew hahah. Very tempted to pick up glycobol or slin-shot, they pretty the same or is glycobol better? Indefinitely staying away entirely from those n2fckuover supps (not third party just them), sorry.
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Cant comment on slinshot since ive never used it, but slintensity and glycobol are good ish. Read good things about slinshot tho
 
Hyde said:
So simple carbs are cool to count towards the required amount you think? Only used one serving thus far but used 2 caps today at lunch lol.
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Yea it does
bcazo said:
I think so, just popped a slin sane before I ate a slice of pizza!! Carb up for a hefty back session tonight!!
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Smart man lol have you used any other GDAs caz?
 
Great, because that'll make it way more versatile for my purposes. I often eat complex carbs but not usually 50-100 in a sittin, more like 30-40ish as I eat often.

Here's the link to my new log thru the first critical month of pct:
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Caz- i saw you mentioned osta earlier as part of a cut. And i know tyga and sin have used this as part of cuts as well.

I know everything is diet dependent, but is osta also good as a bulker?
 
peter01 said:
Caz- i saw you mentioned osta earlier as part of a cut. And i know tyga and sin have used this as part of cuts as well.

I know everything is diet dependent, but is osta also good as a bulker?
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I don't know it to be used as a bulk. From what I've heard it's good to preserve and add some lean muscle.
 
peter01 said:
Caz- i saw you mentioned osta earlier as part of a cut. And i know tyga and sin have used this as part of cuts as well.

I know everything is diet dependent, but is osta also good as a bulker?
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If you stack it maybe with MK-667 you'd def get a nice bulk outta that.

Otherwise by itself, caz is right, in my opinion it's pretty much the best thing preserving muscle during deficits, you will add some lean muscle and there's no sides at all; maybe slight suppression if you extend past 8wks of 25mg.
 
peter01 said:
Thanks for the input guys. I'll keep the osta for a future recomp and look into something else for my bulk.
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I like mk 677 dont get me wrong but, GHRH/GHRP would be something to add to a bulk. GHRP 6 to be exact since it stimulates ghrelin. You need a GHRH for the GHRP to be effective. If you can hack pinning, this would be an awesome addition to bulking.

677 stimulates ghrelin as well but not to the severity this pep combo does
 
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Had a nice back session last night. The family ordered some pizza and pasta for dinner so I ate my normal dinner then decided to carb up for a hefty back session. I'm glad I did definitely benefited from the extra carbs and banged out a PR !!! I'm also enjoying the new split I came up with for the FST-7 workout. Tonight legs and traps are getting an ass woopin!!

Inverted Rows
BW X 12
BW X 12
BW X 12
BW X 12

Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
145x12
165x12
185x12
205x10 PR!!!

Reverse Grip Pulldowns - Hammer Strength
140x12
160x12
160x12
180x10

T-Bar Meadow Rows
Bar + 70 x12
Bar + 70 x12
Bar + 80 x12
Bar + 80 x12

Reverse Grip Yates Rows
185x12
185x12
205x12
205x12

Rack Pulls
185x12
205x12
225x12
225x10

Straight Arm Push Down with rope
55x12
55x12
65x12
65x12
65x12
70x12
70x12
 
bcazo said:
Back
Had a nice back session last night. The family ordered some pizza and pasta for dinner so I ate my normal dinner then decided to carb up for a hefty back session. I'm glad I did definitely benefited from the extra carbs and banged out a PR !!! I'm also enjoying the new split I came up with for the FST-7 workout. Tonight legs and traps are getting an ass woopin!!

Inverted Rows
BW X 12
BW X 12
BW X 12
BW X 12

Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
145x12
165x12
185x12
205x10 PR!!!

Reverse Grip Pulldowns - Hammer Strength
140x12
160x12
160x12
180x10

T-Bar Meadow Rows
Bar + 70 x12
Bar + 70 x12
Bar + 80 x12
Bar + 80 x12

Reverse Grip Yates Rows
185x12
185x12
205x12
205x12

Rack Pulls
185x12
205x12
225x12
225x10

Straight Arm Push Down with rope
55x12
55x12
65x12
65x12
65x12
70x12
70x12
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Huge pr, that carbo load helped! Lol like the line up of movements you got going there bro
 
Just downed the sample of athletixs stim free preworkout. I can tell you right now, nobody likes to chew there pre workout lol
 
tyga tyga said:
I like mk 677 dont get me wrong but, GHRH/GHRP would be something to add to a bulk. GHRP 6 to be exact since it stimulates ghrelin. You need a GHRH for the GHRP to be effective. If you can hack pinning, this would be an awesome addition to bulking.

677 stimulates ghrelin as well but not to the severity this pep combo does
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Thanks for the tip tyga. I had not heard about peps until this log so they are very new to me. Still have a lot of learning before going that route.

This is my first cycle so still wearing my PH pampers. Was planning on osta/mk (actually already have it on hand) but started thinking that i might not be getting the desired results...even on a surplus. I'm looking for about 7-10 lbs dry.

So I'm keeping those for later and looking into either Helladrol or Super DMZ 2. Not sure whether the latter would be for a beginner though.

Any thoughts?
 
peter01 said:
Thanks for the tip tyga. I had not heard about peps until this log so they are very new to me. Still have a lot of learning before going that route.

This is my first cycle so still wearing my PH pampers. Was planning on osta/mk (actually already have it on hand) but started thinking that i might not be getting the desired results...even on a surplus. I'm looking for about 7-10 lbs dry.

So I'm keeping those for later and looking into either Helladrol or Super DMZ 2. Not sure whether the latter would be for a beginner though.

Any thoughts?
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How deep into the rabbit hole do you plan to go?
 
Not sure. Taking a wait and see approach. Always made reasons for not crossing the line. Either work, family, money, etc. but as i get older i am realizing that there will never be a perfect time. I've been researching about 9 months or so. That includes diet and training as well. I've made more progress than in 15+ yrs of off and on lifting.
 
peter01 said:
Thanks for the tip tyga. I had not heard about peps until this log so they are very new to me. Still have a lot of learning before going that route.

This is my first cycle so still wearing my PH pampers. Was planning on osta/mk (actually already have it on hand) but started thinking that i might not be getting the desired results...even on a surplus. I'm looking for about 7-10 lbs dry.

So I'm keeping those for later and looking into either Helladrol or Super DMZ 2. Not sure whether the latter would be for a beginner though.

Any thoughts?
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Super DMZ 2.0 isn't for someone's first run. First cycle should be as well-planned and intelligently run as possible, but at the end of the day it's a shakedown run & learning experience. Halo is always recommended for 1st run at 6 wks. Mine was Epi for 4, should have gone longer but it was still great and my liver protection sucked (needed TUDCA as piss got orange). Mag is another great 6wk 1st run, just a bigger gaining halo not as good for cutting. If you're still natty tho I'd recommend doubling the dose on AMS's 4AD & DecaSARM and running them 6-8wks - bet you'll gain 15 lbs, no joke. Buddy gained 12 in 4wks off 1AD & 4AD on his first run.

Save Msten, DMZ, M1A, Sdrol, M14ADD & things more toxic or with more sides to manage for a second or third run.
 
bcazo said:
I second halo for a first run get 2 bottles and run it 6 weeks
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Meh. Orals are orals. Pick one based on your overall goals. Toxicity difference is pretty much anecdotal. Take plenty of NAC, drink lots of water and watch your carbs on SD or you'll want to rip your kidneys out.
 
cswalczakny said:
Meh. Orals are orals. Pick one based on your overall goals. Toxicity difference is pretty much anecdotal. Take plenty of NAC, drink lots of water and watch your carbs on SD or you'll want to rip your kidneys out.
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I agree that liver toxicity may be the same but different oral definitely carry different side and some much worse than others. Of course on cycle support and Pct must be on point. DMZ was much harder on my body than halo.
 
cswalczakny said:
Meh. Orals are orals. Pick one based on your overall goals. Toxicity difference is pretty much anecdotal. Take plenty of NAC, drink lots of water and watch your carbs on SD or you'll want to rip your kidneys out.
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True, but some carry more sides and that's where i can see experience to be a plus.

Don't think I'll run Halo as most logs run it as a recomp.
 
You'll never gain like your first cycle. If I could do it over again it would have been test deca and dbol. Never would have messed with designers and ph's
 
bcazo said:
I agree that liver toxicity may be the same but different oral definitely carry different side and some much worse than others. Of course on cycle support and Pct must be on point. DMZ was much harder on my body than halo.
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peter01 said:
True, but some carry more sides and that's where i can see experience to be a plus.

Don't think I'll run Halo as most logs run it as a recomp.
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Its all about knowing the sides and mitigating them effectively. Just my opinion though!
 
superbeast668 said:
You'll never gain like your first cycle. If I could do it over again it would have been test deca and dbol. Never would have messed with designers and ph's
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This. My first cycle was SD +22lbs kept 17lb it was crazy. I blew up, that and another cycle got me around/above 170lb
 
superbeast668 said:
You'll never gain like your first cycle. If I could do it over again it would have been test deca and dbol. Never would have messed with designers and ph's
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Beast - can you elaborate on that? I understand that your body can build a tolerance to repeated use of a compound, but the way you say it almost seems that the first cycle is where you reap the most gains.

Would look into true AAS but no access. I agree AAS beats PH hands down.
 
Just what he said really - your androgen receptors have never seen an outside source, they're virgin. You know how any drug you have to keep cranking the dose up to see the same results, or use harder drugs? Same thing here - think how drunk someone can get so easily the first time they drink, with zero tolerance.

If you really do your research, buy the supports, the research chems, know what to dose when & why, have a basic understanding of all the hormones you're playing with and how these drugs & your chems work in the body - and are willing to be a man and tough the sides - I say go straight for the throat and use something like Super DMZ 2 with both Msten and DMZ and start eating/lifting.
 
peter01 said:
Beast - can you elaborate on that? I understand that your body can build a tolerance to repeated use of a compound, but the way you say it almost seems that the first cycle is where you reap the most gains.

Would look into true AAS but no access. I agree AAS beats PH hands down.
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Hyde said:
Just what he said really - your androgen receptors have never seen an outside source, they're virgin. You know how any drug you have to keep cranking the dose up to see the same results, or use harder drugs? Same thing here - think how drunk someone can get so easily the first time they drink, with zero tolerance.

If you really do your research, buy the supports, the research chems, know what to dose when & why, have a basic understanding of all the hormones you're playing with and how these drugs & your chems work in the body - and are willing to be a man and tough the sides - I say go straight for the throat and use something like Super DMZ 2 with both Msten and DMZ and start eating/lifting.
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hyde could not have said it better. as far as access to the standard old school aas just look harder my man. unless your in a country where its extremely difficult to import/smuggle you'll be able to find them. dudes literally everywhere get them. hell, i was popping orals that i had mailed to me in afghanistan on a military installation.
 
Meh, no update. Know i did shoulders and triceps, again all volume... tried to get a pump. Only movement i went relatively heavy on was reverse grip bench.

Have a pesky elbow impingement poppin up, so some tri movements irratate it. Anyway, i re- tweaked my quad today coming up my stairs at the house. Ill probably do light, light weight for legs tomorrow.. try and force blood in
 
tyga tyga said:
Meh, no update. Know i did shoulders and triceps, again all volume... tried to get a pump. Only movement i went relatively heavy on was reverse grip bench.

Have a pesky elbow impingement poppin up, so some tri movements irratate it. Anyway, i re- tweaked my quad today coming up my stairs at the house. Ill probably do light, light weight for legs tomorrow.. try and force blood in
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So the stim free PW killed another workout I see...
 
Actually had a decent leg workout despite the quad "injury." Didnt lift anything heavy tonight, volume work and TUT

Leg ext- 50x20 50x20 60x20 60x15 60x15
Lying leg curl- 20x20 30x15 30x15 30x15
Hack squat- sledx20 sledx20 10x15 10x15 15x15
Leg press- sledx20 70x20 90x20 90x20 90x20
Bb ham- barx10 10x12 10x12 10x12 10x12
* calf work

Plowed down food after my post workout shot lol. The enhance kind of (very minor) supresses my hunger but 20mins after my shot, BANG, hungers full throttle.

Hittin chesticules and thee ol biceps, lil abdominals as well.

Dont know if i want to risk taking the free sample of the stim athletix (the non stim was junk, so i have a pre disposed opinion now) or body rush (samples came with my last order) my enhanced or left over prodigy... decisions decisions lol

Be easy gentleman
 
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