I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread about cardiovascular support supplements an individual can and should use while using anabolic steroids. I don't want to come off as a smart-ass, but I believe thread like this should be a sticky.
I am not saying that this thread is so well written that it should be a sticky, but surely, if someone more educated on the matter has the time and the will to do it, it would be very nice of him/her. Definitely the most dangerous deleterious effect of AAS is the damage they do to the cardiovascular system.
We often hear people talking about liver support supplements, but we don't hear too often the talk about supplements which could lessen the damage AAS use places on our cardiovascular system.
So here I will name a few and everyone else is invited to share their experience and knowledge when it comes those supplements and drugs.
Obviously, doing cardio, keeping your blood pressure under control, keeping your hemoglobin and hematocrit in reference range via blood donation/lowering of the doses is important. Doing an ECG or a whole day (even the 7 day) heart study where you wear that device all the time is something every prospecting user should look into.
Fish oil - may lower triglycerides and raise HDL (particularly in women, but there may be hope)
Green Tea - shown to raise HDL, lowers fasting LDL
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Coenzyme q10 - may be protective to those with congestive heart failure
Cialis - lowers blood pressure, but not by much (but has other benefits )
Cardarine - very favourable effects on both HDL and LDL
So these are the ones I am currently aware of right away, feel free to add more and comment as I feel this is a very important topic, should be much more important than shut down, impotence and infertility issues we commonly discuss.
We know that AAS lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and consecutively to heart failure and sudden cardiac death. Maybe there is something that delays the thickening of the walls of our heart (other than keeping blood pressure under control of course)?
I think that something that would act like a SERM does, something like a SARM which could selectively attach itself to the heart and prevent androgens from attaching themselves instead and therefore inhibit the androgens from stimulating heart hypertrophy and undesirable changes would be the holy grail. This needs more research.
I am not saying that this thread is so well written that it should be a sticky, but surely, if someone more educated on the matter has the time and the will to do it, it would be very nice of him/her. Definitely the most dangerous deleterious effect of AAS is the damage they do to the cardiovascular system.
We often hear people talking about liver support supplements, but we don't hear too often the talk about supplements which could lessen the damage AAS use places on our cardiovascular system.
So here I will name a few and everyone else is invited to share their experience and knowledge when it comes those supplements and drugs.
Obviously, doing cardio, keeping your blood pressure under control, keeping your hemoglobin and hematocrit in reference range via blood donation/lowering of the doses is important. Doing an ECG or a whole day (even the 7 day) heart study where you wear that device all the time is something every prospecting user should look into.
Fish oil - may lower triglycerides and raise HDL (particularly in women, but there may be hope)
The effect of fish oil on blood pressure and high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol levels in phase I of the Trials of Hypertension Prevention. Trials of Hypertension Prevention Collaborative Research Group - PubMed
Moderate amounts of fish oil (6 g/day) are unlikely to lower blood pressure in normotensive persons, but may increase HDL2-cholesterol, particularly in women.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Green Tea - shown to raise HDL, lowers fasting LDL
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Coenzyme q10 - may be protective to those with congestive heart failure
Coenzyme Q10 in the treatment of heart failure: A systematic review of systematic reviews - PubMed
Evidence suggests that the CoQ10 supplement may be a useful tool for managing patients with heart failure.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Cialis - lowers blood pressure, but not by much (but has other benefits )
Influence of a single dose of 20 mg tadalafil, a phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitor, on ambulatory blood pressure in subjects with hypertension
To test the non-inferiority of a single dose of tadalafil 20 mg compared with placebo with respect to 26-h mean ambulatory systolic and diastolic blood pressure in treated and untreated hypertensive subjects.A multicentre, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Cardarine - very favourable effects on both HDL and LDL
Lipid effects of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ agonist GW501516 in subjects with low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol: characteristics of metabolic syndrome - PubMed
GW501516 produced significant changes in HDL cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, apoA1, and apoB. Fewer very LDL and larger LDL support a transition toward less atherogenic lipoprotein profiles. These data are consistent with peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-δ being a potentially important...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
So these are the ones I am currently aware of right away, feel free to add more and comment as I feel this is a very important topic, should be much more important than shut down, impotence and infertility issues we commonly discuss.
We know that AAS lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and consecutively to heart failure and sudden cardiac death. Maybe there is something that delays the thickening of the walls of our heart (other than keeping blood pressure under control of course)?
I think that something that would act like a SERM does, something like a SARM which could selectively attach itself to the heart and prevent androgens from attaching themselves instead and therefore inhibit the androgens from stimulating heart hypertrophy and undesirable changes would be the holy grail. This needs more research.
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