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Bye Bye Supps :( ..Stocking up strategies

swish1985

swish1985

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Okay im trying to stock up on the remaining PH's available..I have a couple of bottles of each epi and beast so far and i just bought a couple of bottles of Hella today. I think Hella's the best bang for your buck, as you can squeeze 3 cycles per bottle. So since ill probably just keep buying Hella until my g/f says stop. I figured I would need a good basic layout with support supps ( i run nolva/clomid/unleashed for pct on mostly every cycle and have plenty of). I found it hard to find layouts, let alone results for a Helladrol cycle. So if anyone could help me out i'd appreciate it.

Also is there anyone else panicking like me with these ph's coming to an end? What are your strategies and plans for the future without epi/beast/hella?
 
I panicked about 8 months ago when the Feds started raiding all these companies. I ended up getting 10 bottles of Hemaguno, then found 2 bottles of PrimaForce Havoc. And today there are still plenty out there. So I am taking it easy.
 
Well, there are plenty of ph/ds still available. Limiting yourself to mr supps stuff is a shame.

Getting 3 cycles out of 180 caps of 25mg of halodrol is difficult and will ultimately be worthless. Its enough for 1.5 well run cycles.

Search for 'hdrol cycle' and you'll have more layouts than you can handle ;)

Companies like CEL, Purus, and Transform all still have plenty of ph/ds's online. Just look around.
 
AndrewNico said:
Well, there are plenty of ph/ds still available. Limiting yourself to mr supps stuff is a shame.

Getting 3 cycles out of 180 caps of 25mg of halodrol is difficult and will ultimately be worthless. Its enough for 1.5 well run cycles.

Search for 'hdrol cycle' and you'll have more layouts than you can handle ;)

Companies like CEL, Purus, and Transform all still have plenty of ph/ds's online. Just look around.
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yeah i've heard of all those companies, but I guess because I browse mostly AM I usually see mr.supps products and people ranting and raving about there products more then any other. I just came off a beast/kata cycle and havent felt a product like that since spawn and tren xl, even mass tabs.

CEL always seemed so reasonable im surprised to this day I have yet to try it. Yeah I guess I was in my little comfort zone with Mr.supps. Thanks for reopening my eyes. Time to move on.
 
CaponeCEO said:
I panicked about 8 months ago when the Feds started raiding all these companies. I ended up getting 10 bottles of Hemaguno, then found 2 bottles of PrimaForce Havoc. And today there are still plenty out there. So I am taking it easy.
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Lol you sound like you should be set for a while. But yeah i hear ya on theres still plenty out there, I have enough ammo to last until I hear of the next bigger and better thing.
 
Yeah I agree that you have to look beyond mr supps. Reg prices are insane, only buy at BOGO sales. Otherwise go with transform or cel as you can pick up sd for 17-20 bucks, epi for 27, ect.

If you were gonna stock up I'd buy a couple SD bottles at 17 bucks, a few epi bottles, a few p mag bottles which is very similar to halo but some respond better to it. Those are the main compounds. Oh some like m14add as well.
 
swish1985 said:
yeah i've heard of all those companies, but I guess because I browse mostly AM I usually see mr.supps products and people ranting and raving about there products more then any other. I just came off a beast/kata cycle and havent felt a product like that since spawn and tren xl, even mass tabs.
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MrSupps has awesome stuff. Glad you liked the Beast/Katana stack bro...

You are right about Helladrol...

1 bottle Helladrol = 3 bottles Hdrol

Factor in 10% off with needto10 and free shipping and you get quite a deal on MrSupps Halodrol clone.

The BOGO destroyed the supply of Beast/Epi-strong/Dieselbolan. I hear Epi-strong is donezo not coming back...
 
when steroids sold as supplements are all gone, I'll just not worry about it. If I need something, just have to go black market.

other than that, I can live without using steroids. it isn't a big deal to me.
 
OP, when i bought a few bottles last year, I emailed the online supplier for the expiry dates of the different brands i was looking at

CEL had the longest shelf life and stealth labz had no expiry date printed
 
Orrrrr....

You could stop wasting your time with supplements, get some real gear and spend the remaining budget money on food and become a man.

Just my .02
 
My take, educate beyond Ph's. If you are willing then you can obtain dynamic mass by going the needle route.

Ph's are "ok" but if you are in this for competition reasons then go the other route.

That being said, you can find halo and havoc for under 25.
 
ZamaMan said:
Yeah I agree that you have to look beyond mr supps. Reg prices are insane, only buy at BOGO sales. Otherwise go with transform or cel as you can pick up sd for 17-20 bucks, epi for 27, ect.

If you were gonna stock up I'd buy a couple SD bottles at 17 bucks, a few epi bottles, a few p mag bottles which is very similar to halo but some respond better to it. Those are the main compounds. Oh some like m14add as well.
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alright thanks brotha I just ordered some m-drol, what did CEL name their epi clone?
 
swish1985 said:
alright thanks brotha I just ordered some m-drol, what did CEL name their epi clone?
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estane but I havent found any of those available since before the last ban (~dec 09)

lockout has a bunch of epi clones though. IBE also re-released their original epistane, so you have plenty of options.
 
Stocking up on PH is the work of a paranoid addict.. take the chance to try real gear maybe? and sarms are getting closer to perfected.. there will always be other options.
 
AndrewNico said:
estane but I havent found any of those available since before the last ban (~dec 09)

lockout has a bunch of epi clones though. IBE also re-released their original epistane, so you have plenty of options.
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alright I just saw what you were talking about. Appreciate it.
 
I feel CEL's products are gonna be around awhile...I've had great experiences with them. I'm not too worried about the banning though; for every product banned, two more will be released through a loophole.
 
jbryand101b said:
I understand what you mean. but for ex, all the compounds you just listed, they're all active oral steroids. :D
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Let's just say...for the most part

gear you can buy illegally > gear you can buy legally



I still need to pick up a copy of the 10th edition. Let me read, then we can discuss more.
 
jbryand101b said:
I understand what you mean. but for ex, all the compounds you just listed, they're all active oral steroids. :D
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Technically h-drol is a pro hormone, but is also a steroid in itself :privateeye:

I know you didn't say it wasn't a ph, but didn't want people to get the wrong impression
 
Harry Manback said:
Let's just say...for the most part

gear you can buy illegally > gear you can buy legally



I still need to pick up a copy of the 10th edition. Let me read, then we can discuss more.
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Not necessarily true. Some people say test is just used to cruise while the orals (like you said, SD is amazing, even compared to dbol) are used to blast.

But yah, tren is the beat-all end-all haha

And of course the stronger it is, usually the more side effects.
 
jbryand101b said:
I understand what you mean. but for ex, all the compounds you just listed, they're all active oral steroids. :D
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True but it is going to be quite hard, if not impossible, for him to obtain the image that he is looking for by going oral only, just doesn't make any sense if he's looking into competition. That is my thought, if not, then he can go any route.

Or, let's look at it like this...

When PHs are banned for good, companies will no longer produce them so there is really no need to even continue dealing with them. Demand will certainly go down and profitability will be much harder. With the margin that many of these companies operate under, it only takes a small % drop for them to realize it's not worth it to continue funding PHs or designers and/or a small drop in profit will cripple most companies therefore leading them to drop the whole "ph/designer" game altogether.

Injections will forever be available via black market or prescription, just as some orals are available per prescription. So, it's not a factor of whether or not DSs are actual steroids or if a prohormone is one step, two steps away. No one really cares about whether something is a true designer or a ph, I can't see who would care.
It's a fact that any company with common sense will be out of the business once an overall ban comes down. If it does at all...< that's the only story that counts.
 
I didn't read the part about him wanting to compete. I so you may be right, however there is a guy on MFF who has built an amazing physic on only orals. He weights like 215 or so with abs. He's pretty well known name is adrenoline. Anyways you can definetly get huge without illegal means but not insanely grotesque.
 
Dude Dbol>SD easy! sides are way less

but anyways dude epi is a steroid
beast- steroid


why not just start pinning
 
muller said:
Stocking up on PH is the work of a paranoid addict.. take the chance to try real gear maybe? and sarms are getting closer to perfected.. there will always be other options.
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Lol


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ZamaMan said:
I didn't read the part about him wanting to compete. I so you may be right, however there is a guy on MFF who has built an amazing physic on only orals. He weights like 215 or so with abs. He's pretty well known name is adrenoline. Anyways you can definetly get huge without illegal means but not insanely grotesque.
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Oh, I wasn't stating that he DOES want to compete, i was saying that if his intentions were to compete, his overall health would be better served by avoiding an oral only path.

The other specifics that i was talking about is what my actual direction was and that is why continue to even speculate about small independant companies producing ds/ph, or in actual, copying old forumulas and respinning them. It just does not make any sense to me. If you have the means to obtain Dbol from a med-doc then why on earth would you buy SD from an off market supplement company? They are both somewhat similar but one is like riding a motorcycle with a blind fold vs jogging with a blind fold...neither is safe but one is more applicable.
 
n87 said:
A chance of becoming a felon if caught.
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Not sure if you missed the point but if all ph/ds are eventually banned and deemed illegal then what is the point of one illegal possession vs another?
 
schwellington said:
Dude Dbol>SD easy! sides are way less

but anyways dude epi is a steroid
beast- steroid


why not just start pinning
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I personally like the oral route better as opposed to poking myself. I tried a cycle oftest cyp (underdosed) it was a bad experience to say the least. If I do get a better source down the road, I can see myself giving it another shot. But as of now this is what I have to resort to.

But I totally understand where your coming from. I've done a lot of research on the pros and cons between the two. Truthfully, the convienance of the ph's is what keeps me coming back.
 
muller said:
Stocking up on PH is the work of a paranoid addict.. take the chance to try real gear maybe? and sarms are getting closer to perfected.. there will always be other options.
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Some of us just like to have options! BTW if you promise to get me on Intervention I will start taking my addiction to a new level.
 
Hustlers said:
so which supps are disappearing and why exactly?
WTH are the feds fn with now?
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Any supplements that are real are being targeted. PH's DS's and anything else that contains non-FDA approved ingredients.

It just furthers my opinion that politicians do not live in reality. Washington, DC is "Ugly Man's Hollywood". This country is failing, inflation is about to kick in, we are heading towards socialism, and the feds are worried about Roger Clemens doing roids. Talk about smokescreen. Yet we are the suckers that keep voting them in.
 
Hustlers said:
I read somewhere that McCain was the Douche Bag who threw up the Jan 4th Band.

So what compunds are safe?
None?

Im about to start stocking up so one of these companies better be having a sexy sale!
Its bull man everytime I come back around I find 10 new things I have never heard of and by the time I find out they're awesome and I want some they get banned. I was gonna try some TrenXtreme in 09 i think it was and within the blink of an eye.......Poof Maxmuscle's town cryer ****ed the whole market.

Can someone PM me with the compund that are going? I read the Jan 4th. Are those the only ones or are their more.

It's ashame the gunmen who took out the politician in Arizona wasn't aiming for McCain.
Oh it's cool girls have fake asses, noses, cheekbones, teeth,TITS, LIPS, STAPLED STOMACHS, ETC ETC ETC, oh no don't stop the Body Dysmorphia of 13 yr old girls, but I can't blow the **** up on some low level PH's because I might steal everyone's *****......I mean who cares right they've found away to give out fake pussies tooo

but I digress,

Back to more important things.....JERSEY SHORE IS ON 2x a WEEK BAWHAHAHAHA
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That tragedy in Arizona was completely unwarranted, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone else. What you have to realize is that these politicians are so out of touch with the common people like you and I that the decisions like this are not fully thought out. Most politicians have been living in this upper class bubble all of their lives. They have never had to release their stress on the iron. A hard day to most of them is an easy day for any of us. They simply have one of their silver spoon 22 year old dime piece female "advisors" tell them who in the upper echelon wants what and consider it done. So who knows who the real pivot man was behind this bill, but I can tell you it wasn't McCain. If you want to find the real person just trace the campaign funding roots back and 99% of the time you find your answer.
 
CaponeCEO said:
That tragedy in Arizona was completely unwarranted, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone else. What you have to realize is that these politicians are so out of touch with the common people like you and I that the decisions like this are not fully thought out. Most politicians have been living in this upper class bubble all of their lives. They have never had to release their stress on the iron. A hard day to most of them is an easy day for any of us. They simply have one of their silver spoon 22 year old dime piece female "advisors" tell them who in the upper echelon wants what and consider it done. So who knows who the real pivot man was behind this bill, but I can tell you it wasn't McCain. If you want to find the real person just trace the campaign funding roots back and 99% of the time you find your answer.
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Was it too soon on the whole shooting thing lol It is kind of jacked up.
I'm not an *******, but I think you got my point. I'm just saying whoever the disconnected twits were that enacted the ban could jump off a cliff with their silver spoons.
However, I am for the most part joking.
I'm in the service and seriously the whole figure head/puppet and minion crap is dealt with on a daily basis.
Our yearly reviews are based on a "WHAT DID YOU DOand WHAT WAS THE EFFECT Bullet system. So everyone runs around trying to come up with "big Ideas" that are absolutely unneeded, and just an attempt to say hey look at me I'm working or causing change so it must be positive...when really all it ever leads to is more work for the little guys and more regulations. Just like in Politics **** is turned over when the next ego driven promotion seeking dbag takes the reins.

-Anywhoo if I offended anyone....my apologies.
 
hardknock said:
Not sure if you missed the point but if all ph/ds are eventually banned and deemed illegal then what is the point of one illegal possession vs another?
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I do realize that, but at this point there are still some ph's that could be legally obtained. Won't be long, though, I agree...
And yeah, from what I hear, pinning is the way to go, much safer and better results.
 
n87 said:
I do realize that, but at this point there are still some ph's that could be legally obtained. Won't be long, though, I agree...
And yeah, from what I hear, pinning is the way to go, much safer and better results.
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Better results but where does the safer comment come from?
Enlighten me please. ('no sarcasm..seriously')
 
i stocked up the first time all this stuff was banned and now im still sitting here with all these almost expired bottles...ive been just giving **** away to people because i have too much...gave one of my buds epidrol a few days ago
 
^^ lol then me..... I hear what your saying MarBar i've orderd a ton of **** this week and at this pace I know I wont be able to use a lot of this until next year and even later but what keeps my head up is that I know "real gear" loses potency after the expiration (like 10%) but is still effective. I've had friends confirm that for me also. I was google'ing that very same debate on whether or not they will be effective after the expiration and came across this......


"Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything?
With a splitting headache you reach into your medicine cabinet for some aspirin only to find the stamped expiration date on the bottle has passed — two years ago. So, do you take it or don't you? If you decide to take the aspirin will it be a fatal mistake or will you simply continue to suffer from the headache?
This is a dilemma many people face in some way or another. A column published in Pyschopharmacology Today offers some advice.
It turns out that the expiration date on a drug does stand for something, but probably not what you think it does. Since a law was passed in 1979, drug manufacturers are required to stamp an expiration date on their products. This is the date at which the manufacturer can still guarantee the full potency and safety of the drug.
Most of what is known about drug expiration dates comes from a study conducted by the Food and Drug Administration at the request of the military. With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date.
So the expiration date doesn't really indicate a point at which the medication is no longer effective or has become unsafe to use. Medical authorities state expired drugs are safe to take, even those that expired years ago. A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years.
Is the expiration date a marketing ploy by drug manufacturers, to keep you restocking your medicine cabinet and their pockets regularly? You can look at it that way. Or you can also look at it this way: The expiration dates are very conservative to ensure you get everything you paid for. And, really, if a drug manufacturer had to do expiration-date testing for longer periods it would slow their ability to bring you new and improved formulations.
The next time you face the drug expiration date dilemma, consider what you've learned here. If the expiration date passed a few years ago and it's important that your drug is absolutely 100% effective, you might want to consider buying a new bottle. And if you have any questions about the safety or effectiveness of any drug, ask your pharmacist. He or she is a great resource when it comes to getting more information about your medications. "
November 2003 Update
HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL
 
Hustlers said:
Better results but where does the safer comment come from?
Enlighten me please. ('no sarcasm..seriously')
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Not liver toxic, not as bad on lipids. Also, speaking of Test is natural to the body and no conversion needed. Used for TRT and HRT. One can run longer cycles, as well. But like I said, that's what I hear. Haven't used it yet.
 
swish1985 said:
Okay im trying to stock up on the remaining PH's available..I have a couple of bottles of each epi and beast so far and i just bought a couple of bottles of Hella today. I think Hella's the best bang for your buck, as you can squeeze 3 cycles per bottle. So since ill probably just keep buying Hella until my g/f says stop. I figured I would need a good basic layout with support supps ( i run nolva/clomid/unleashed for pct on mostly every cycle and have plenty of). I found it hard to find layouts, let alone results for a Helladrol cycle. So if anyone could help me out i'd appreciate it.

Also is there anyone else panicking like me with these ph's coming to an end? What are your strategies and plans for the future without epi/beast/hella?
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no because there will always be somthing or the good ol real aas.
i could care less.
i do like beasdrol and im sure even when banned methyl-masteron (what SD/beasdrol is) will be available still, from steroid dealers ect. . same as happened to 1-test.
(by the way 1-testcyp is VERY mild and not that great anyway)
 
n87 said:
I do realize that, but at this point there are still some ph's that could be legally obtained. Won't be long, though, I agree...
And yeah, from what I hear, pinning is the way to go, much safer and better results.
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I agree 100%!
teste or cyp is in my op safer , healther, and better on gains.
also ran longer.

i dont run a cycle or oral without test and when not cycleing im on hrt dose of test anyway anyway.

if you dont know why,,,,,,,, you need to do more research into horomones and should not be using them now.
(otc or not) just because its OTC dosent make it safe.
 
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