"But i want to get big AND ripped!" How to run a RECOMP cycle

justinc said:
My lifting now is the Westside routine. Don't know if that would be the best program for a recomp. Cardio will probably be running 2-2.5 miles 5-6 days a week. Im just worried that the Tren will interfere with my cardio.
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I think Westside will work well for a recomp, I like to train for strength when calories aren't very high, it just seems easier to recover from. The cardio sounds good but maybe on the short side because that's like what 20 minutes maybe you could start pushing further with your runs as you get in better shape...
Which brings me to the last point, the tren shouldn't impair your cardio. I mean it can for some people but usually they're talking about REAL tren although the PH tren is pretty similar. For me anyway, steroids never impair my cardio... Last summer on my recomp I started off with Tren and i was doing so much cardio i was consistently getting better at it. Which is good because when i got better at it, I just made my sessions longer and accomplished even more fat burning ;).

So i think on the cardio you should be able to improve on the tren, if you have to just take it slow and push through it, probably better to do a lower intensity type cardio anyway. Then start pushing the cardio longer as you become more capable.

The most likely problem you could encounter running around on Tren is calf pumps/cramps. Sooo take some taurine, stay hydrated, stretch them out first, all that jazz.
 
So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
 
manicstudio said:
So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
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My bad didn't know this was in anabolic section....still welcome answers though
 
it is virtually impossible to add muscle while you lose fat without the presence of anabolics in your body. even with them its next to impossible.

one requires a calorie defecit while the other requires a calorie surplus
 
manicstudio said:
So I guess a "REcomp" is impossible unless u do a cycle...or is it??? I carb cycle and all that...aside from the milk a day my diet is clean...I lift 4x a week and just began hiit after calves nabs on off day...will I be able to maintain and burn fat atleast...maybe if gain a lil???
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not at all, just have to perfect your diet.. Maybe look into a few natty supps that could help you out.. i would def recommend a nutrient partitioner (recompadrol, anabolic pump, glycobol,etc)
 
HumpTheCook said:
it is virtually impossible to add muscle while you lose fat without the presence of anabolics in your body. even with them its next to impossible.

one requires a calorie defecit while the other requires a calorie surplus
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I have been running a pretty successful recomp with nothing but the natabolic stack, recompadrol, and my staple supps.. No where near as successful as if i were using anabolics, but I know its possible for me anyways..
 
zodiiac523 said:
not at all, just have to perfect your diet.. Maybe look into a few natty supps that could help you out.. i would def recommend a nutrient partitioner (recompadrol, anabolic pump, glycobol,etc)
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I think it'd also require you to eat slightly closer to 8 meals a day. I'm not saying this has to be done on a ton of cals either. Just spread your cals throughout the 8 meals and just make sure you'll slightly over maintenance. I think that'll help.
 
Recomping without a cycle is just really really slow. But it depends on where you're at. If you're new to lifting and you're also a fatass, it's pretty easy to add muscle and lose fat. If you're an experienced lifter with decent bodyfat, it's so goddamn tough.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Recomping without a cycle is just really really slow. But it depends on where you're at. If you're new to lifting and you're also a fatass, it's pretty easy to add muscle and lose fat. If you're an experienced lifter with decent bodyfat, it's so goddamn tough.
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yes, but its still recomping, very slowly gaining muscle and losing fat... I guess ill be able to fully enjoy the recomp in a couple years when i finally decide to run a cycle..
 
unreal,

I've talked with you a long time ago and at the time we were both thinking that just bulking and then cutting would likely yield better results than trying to recomp. Would be interested to hear if your thoughts changed from way back in the day or how you feel about it now. I've always felt that just bulking for one cycle and then cutting for another was the best way but I'm more than happy to be wrong.
 
When some people go on a carb cycle they put more lean muscle on than when they bulk, I think people respond differently what most people think of as 'bulking' and 'cutting' shedules.

I think putting on lean muscle and loosing BF% is entirely possible if your willing to work at it. And just as effective - if not more in terms of achieving and maintaining more permenant goals.
 
This is truely an inspiring thread, Excellent info, youre a diamond Unreal, much respect.

I was going to go all out on cutting in january with a carb cycle, But Ill use the valuable info in your first log here and design a recomp for myself. Im thinking of using proviron full time from Jan till April with a bit of Letrozole if I can get hold of them, so far all my sources have chickened out. Ive already got 500 Dbol at 5mg, I might just pulse that with PCT instead.

ZamaMan said:
Wow great write up! I was woundering though since your body does alot of muscle repair at night would be be better to do your cardio and low carb meals in am and than more carbs and weight lifting in pm so you have more nutrients at night to rebuild?
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Insulin senstivity get less and less during the day, say if you get up at 7am, by 5pm your body at its lowest already and eating meals with high carbs at this stage is pointless, your body will use whatever carbs youve stored at night, no need to eat more late in the evening, infact its the last thing you want to do, a little bit of protien will trick your body into opening up the fat stored for carbs ;)

jbryand101b said:
so im using 50mg of superdrol bridged into 80mg of epistane, im not eating enough calories, but im loosing weight. what the hell?

I thought steroids make you gain muscle?
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Im having the same problem with deca Im taking at the moment, it completely supressed my appetite, I was shaking and making myself feel sick forcing myself to eat, but I havnt manage to eat enough - its ruined my cycle so far :(. Ive bought some Dbol and its helping, also starting tri-tren now and Ive heared that will help too.
 
its helped with the hunger, but I havnt seen any water retension yet, infact Ive dropped 3 kilos over the weekend, but that was due to eating more carbs (I know most wont undertand what I just said) and thermogenics.
 
this thread is all a figment of unreals imagination


if u wanna recomp DO NOT LISTEN TO UNREAL NO MATTER WHAT!
 
The things I would like to say to that would nicely earn me an infraction and get me banned, so Ill say it politely:

schwellington go away you negative ignorant individual
 
scwell is just messing with unreal. we all love scwel, he's like our little brother with a learning disability. you cant not like him.
 
Pulsing Dbol alternated with appetite supressors would work nicely on a carb cycle - cleaver me :food:
 
jbryand101b said:
scwell is just messing with unreal. we all love scwel, he's like our little brother with a learning disability. you cant not like him.
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:lol::lol:
 
I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass. This is all while getting stronger every week. Oh, and its been all natural. I've got some pretty sweet before and afters if ppl want me to throw em up. I still need about 10 more lbs of fat gone in order to look as sick as I want. Wish me luck.

Just realized that this was for a recomp "cycle". So I probably shouldn't have posted my experience since there has been no cycle, lol. oh well.
 

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Thanks for the write-up, unreal. I'm lookin at running a recomp in the future with epi-strong, katanadrol v2.0, T3 and clen. I'll be using this as a guide and look forward to running this cycle. Hopefully with my crazy schedule I'll be able to keep my diet in check :food:
 
Legacyfighter said:
I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass...
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Outstanding sir, thats it.
 
neverstop said:
unreal,

I've talked with you a long time ago and at the time we were both thinking that just bulking and then cutting would likely yield better results than trying to recomp. Would be interested to hear if your thoughts changed from way back in the day or how you feel about it now. I've always felt that just bulking for one cycle and then cutting for another was the best way but I'm more than happy to be wrong.
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Honestly man it's a tough comparison. Bulking and cutting are independently more efficient than recomping. Your body is not made to gain lots of muscle while losing lots of fat, it just won't happen very quickly. So by themselves bulking and cutting are more efficient.

However bulk cycle then PCT then time off then cut cycle then PCT is a lot of time and 2 PCTs. The first PCT following a bulk cycle is sure to see some weight loss... With a recomp cycle it's just 1 cycle, just 1 PCT, and you probably won't lose any weight when you're done. I didn't. You put on a very maintainable amount of muscle over a good period of time. Coming off a bulk you are going to lose mass in PCT. Anyway it's nice accomplishing so much with just 1 cycle instead of 2. But IMO a recomp cycle is more work than bulking or cutting. you are trying to do both so you have to have a PERFECT diet and still eat a good amount of food, still lift really hard, and ALSO do tons of cardio. It is a tall order :P

I don't think anything is best, it depends on where you are and how you want to look. If your end goal is to get HUGE AND RIPPED then do what bodybuilders do, bulk up like crazy and cut and repeat. But if you want to look good the whole time and keep walking around with low bodyfat, recomps are nice.

I gain fat easily and it's tough to lose fat so I pretty much gain fat everytime I bulk and usually add fat in PCTs and time off as well. After several months a cut is needed just to get my bodyfat back to where it was. So counterproductive. With a recomp I can stay lean. You never blow up 15 pounds and get massive strength like on a bulk cycle but that's the price you pay for being lean.
 
Legacyfighter said:
I've been recomping for the last 12 weeks, almost exactly as Unreal has outlined. I've lost 20lbs of fat and gained 5lbs of lean body mass. This is all while getting stronger every week. Oh, and its been all natural. I've got some pretty sweet before and afters if ppl want me to throw em up. I still need about 10 more lbs of fat gone in order to look as sick as I want. Wish me luck.

Just realized that this was for a recomp "cycle". So I probably shouldn't have posted my experience since there has been no cycle, lol. oh well.
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Damn good job! Those before and after pictures are incredible. Now if anyone asks me if my recomping ideas work i will just point them to your post lol.

cpekz said:
Thanks for the write-up, unreal. I'm lookin at running a recomp in the future with epi-strong, katanadrol v2.0, T3 and clen. I'll be using this as a guide and look forward to running this cycle. Hopefully with my crazy schedule I'll be able to keep my diet in check :food:
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diet is everything. good luck
 
With a recomp, is the goal to finish at approx. the same weight you started? I only ask because I'm prone towards losing weight very easily (fat and muscle) and every pound I've gained has taken a LOT of eating, so I'm trying to find a way to get rid of a few (10-15) lbs of fat without actually dropping that on the scale, but doing all that cardio makes it seem like it's going to be very difficult to maintain my weight.
 
well any amount of gaining muscle while losing fat is a recomp but usually it means that you keep weight the same so that you are losing and gaining in equal quantities.

it isn't hard to maintain your weight, just weigh yourself everyday and adjust your calories accordingly.
 
Good read. I'm going to be running a recomp this spring. It's going to be HDrol + Test prop + T3 for 10 weeks then MK-2866 (Ostarine) duing PCT. I'm at about 15% BF right now. I just finished my bulking cycle. I'm also going to run a stand alone cycle of MK-2866 between cycles. MK-2866 from what I've seen is an amazing recomp compound.

I'm currently using it on my bulking PCT. I'm running 25mg ed for the first week then 15mg ed for the last 4.5 weeks. I'm 4 days into my PCT which is 50mg clomid + 40mg nolva + DAA + MK-2866. So far I still feel like I'm on cycle. Actually I feel better now then I did at the end of my cycle. Lol.
 
Eh usually the first week of PCT i still feel like I'm on cycle anyway, it's weeks 2-3 that suck the most. But I have heard many good things about those sarms so i am sure they are helping, I really want to try one in my next PCT. I just need more $$ lol.
 
How about taking t3 with turinabol and androhard? I also carb cycle...I heard stims is no good while on a cycle..
 
UnrealMachine said:
Damn good job! Those before and after pictures are incredible. Now if anyone asks me if my recomping ideas work i will just point them to your post lol.



diet is everything. good luck
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haha, I'm glad I could help back you up. Hopefully in a few more weeks I can post some even more impressive pics.
 
halfhuman said:
How about taking t3 with turinabol and androhard? I also carb cycle...I heard stims is no good while on a cycle..
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Stims are fine on cycle unless you overstim and jack up your heart rate and/or blood pressure. Turinabol/AH/T3 sounds like a good recomp stack. Either cycle the carbs or enforce a very strict carb cutoff (2-3pm).
 
thanks unreal, it's a tough comparison I guess vs. traditional bulk then cut vs a recomp that probably depends on each person. I guess I've never really tried a real disciplined "recomp" so maybe I'll give that a try here in spring.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Stims are fine on cycle unless you overstim and jack up your heart rate and/or blood pressure. Turinabol/AH/T3 sounds like a good recomp stack. Either cycle the carbs or enforce a very strict carb cutoff (2-3pm).
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ohh ok...yea i was told about the high blood pressure..ok ill add the t3. any special way to dose? i carb cycle and cut off carbs before hitting the gym....
 
UnrealMachine said:
Eh usually the first week of PCT i still feel like I'm on cycle anyway, it's weeks 2-3 that suck the most. But I have heard many good things about those sarms so i am sure they are helping, I really want to try one in my next PCT. I just need more $$ lol.
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I only run Prop for my test so I don't get the gentle come down like you do off of Cyp or Enanth. In my previous PCT I would crash out by day 2 or 3 but I'm telling you, with this MK-2866 every morning i wake up and feel better and better. But I understand exactly what you're saying. That's why I'm logging my PCT and I'm hoping I don't just have a delayed crash.

MK-2866 isn't too badly priced either. It's like $83 shipped for a vial which is enough for a PCT or a short stand alone cycle. They even had a deal 2 vials for $120. Nice thing about MK is that it doesn't have the side effects that S4 does.
 
halfhuman said:
ohh ok...yea i was told about the high blood pressure..ok ill add the t3. any special way to dose? i carb cycle and cut off carbs before hitting the gym....
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I take it you lift in the evenings then? Cuz otherwise you'll want to have some carbs post-WO. IMO pre and post wo are the most important times to have carbs, every other meal can have no or low carbs.

With the T3, you just start at 25mcg and slowly increase the dose. Most people have liquids so you have very fine control of the dose. Just ramp it up and assess your tolerance and rate of weightloss. Between manipulating T3 dose and your calories you should find an equilibrium where you are maintaining your weight. I always ramp T3 back down at the end but some people say its not necessary.

AmericanJambo said:
I only run Prop for my test so I don't get the gentle come down like you do off of Cyp or Enanth. In my previous PCT I would crash out by day 2 or 3 but I'm telling you, with this MK-2866 every morning i wake up and feel better and better. But I understand exactly what you're saying. That's why I'm logging my PCT and I'm hoping I don't just have a delayed crash.

MK-2866 isn't too badly priced either. It's like $83 shipped for a vial which is enough for a PCT or a short stand alone cycle. They even had a deal 2 vials for $120. Nice thing about MK is that it doesn't have the side effects that S4 does.
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Yeah that stuff sounds good. Sounds like the best PCT you can have, lol...
I am a little different when coming off cycle, even just oral cycles, I will usually peak around 4-5 days post cycle and its downhill after that.
 
Legacyfighter said:
haha, I'm glad I could help back you up. Hopefully in a few more weeks I can post some even more impressive pics.
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Damn good progress pics. If it wasnt for ur tats I might say umm r u sure those r the same 2 guys :lol: Great job man that is a lot of hard work put in and paid off.

UnrealMachine said:
Yeah that stuff sounds good. Sounds like the best PCT you can have, lol...
I am a little different when coming off cycle, even just oral cycles, I will usually peak around 4-5 days post cycle and its downhill after that.
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Im the same way when it comes to coming off and going into PCT. I still feel super strong 3 days after coming off orals.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah that stuff sounds good. Sounds like the best PCT you can have, lol...
I am a little different when coming off cycle, even just oral cycles, I will usually peak around 4-5 days post cycle and its downhill after that.
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Tomahawk88 said:
Im the same way when it comes to coming off and going into PCT. I still feel super strong 3 days after coming off orals.
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I'm only coming off test prop right now. I was on a 10 week cycle. I took SD for the first 4 weeks but for the last 6 weeks I've been on test prop only. 150mg EOD. Just to run my cycle out and give my gains from SD a chance to mature. So it could be I'm not crashing as hard since I've only been running mild test for the last 6 weeks instead of coming straight off of SD.

Well, time will tell. I'll post up my PCT log soon and we'll see how well this SARM works.

I honestly think the perfect PCT would be the PCT I'm running with the addition of Proviron. I'd take Proviron but I'd like to keep my hair and prostate since MPB and prostate issues run in my family.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I take it you lift in the evenings then? Cuz otherwise you'll want to have some carbs post-WO. IMO pre and post wo are the most important times to have carbs, every other meal can have no or low carbs.

With the T3, you just start at 25mcg and slowly increase the dose. Most people have liquids so you have very fine control of the dose. Just ramp it up and assess your tolerance and rate of weightloss. Between manipulating T3 dose and your calories you should find an equilibrium where you are maintaining your weight. I always ramp T3 back down at the end but some people say its not necessary.



Well i wake up 3:45am and workout at 2pm and go to bed at 7:30pm to get my 8hours of sleep...So would taking carbs post say around 4 is fine? when i go to bed at 7:30? I usually intake carbs for bfast and sometimes pre..

OK i see the t3 is very potent..I'll start at 25mcg and see how that goes...whats the sweet spot most people say it is? and is it taken everyday?
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Tomahawk88 said:
Damn good progress pics. If it wasnt for ur tats I might say umm r u sure those r the same 2 guys :lol: Great job man that is a lot of hard work put in and paid off.
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thanks Tomahawk. i didn't really think they were that impressive. I'm glad everyone else does, lol. Like I said though, I plan to be quite a bit leaner in a few more weeks. Oh, I went back and checked the dates, those pics are only 10 weeks a part. I've been dieting for about 12 weeks now. I'll probably continue to recomp till New Years. If I can be 8% by Christmas it will be a heck of a Christmas present to myself.

Anyway, I'll try not to hijack this thread any further.
 
This is the kind of log Ive been waiting patiently to find. This is whats its all about.

Long live the "But i want to get big AND ripped!" How to run a RECOMP cycle. thread.

respect
 
Any body ever tried eating lots of chillies fot fat loss? (stimulates the metabolism) I did, and I recon it works.

Also natural diuretics like lots of cucumbers and watermellon.

And eating cinnamon with every meal and with shakes to keep the blood sugar level controlled all day.

simple yet affective.
 
halfhuman said:
UnrealMachine said:
I take it you lift in the evenings then? Cuz otherwise you'll want to have some carbs post-WO. IMO pre and post wo are the most important times to have carbs, every other meal can have no or low carbs.

With the T3, you just start at 25mcg and slowly increase the dose. Most people have liquids so you have very fine control of the dose. Just ramp it up and assess your tolerance and rate of weightloss. Between manipulating T3 dose and your calories you should find an equilibrium where you are maintaining your weight. I always ramp T3 back down at the end but some people say its not necessary.



Well i wake up 3:45am and workout at 2pm and go to bed at 7:30pm to get my 8hours of sleep...So would taking carbs post say around 4 is fine? when i go to bed at 7:30? I usually intake carbs for bfast and sometimes pre..

OK i see the t3 is very potent..I'll start at 25mcg and see how that goes...whats the sweet spot most people say it is? and is it taken everyday?
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hmmm i like carbs post wo but that is pretty late in the day for you. I think you should experiment with it
the sweet spot for T3 is usually around 75mcg I think. And yes everyday
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yes i was only joking with unreal ;)


jbry thank yyou for the compliment lol

Unrizzle what would you think about me running t3 at the last 4 weeks of my cycle coming up in jan? Anavar at 50mg and test at 500mg ew with a dose of t3 in there to cut it up?


I would begin the cycle with a bulk with dbol would the t3 eat to much newly gained mass from the test/dbol or would var/test preserve it?
 
schwellington said:
yes i was only joking with unreal ;)


jbry thank yyou for the compliment lol

Unrizzle what would you think about me running t3 at the last 4 weeks of my cycle coming up in jan? Anavar at 50mg and test at 500mg ew with a dose of t3 in there to cut it up?


I would begin the cycle with a bulk with dbol would the t3 eat to much newly gained mass from the test/dbol or would var/test preserve it?
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your cycle is already so crazy. I don't think it needs any more complications. The last 4 weeks isn't very much anyway. Save it for another time.
 
*sigh* this time mr real, i shall head your advice :)
 
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