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Yeah I have been getting a bit of pumps with it, been on it for 3 weeks... but nothing like tonight, was intense.
yeah you're right into the sweet spot where I (and most) see a big acute benefit from xgels... sounds like bmp will only exacerbate those effects so woohoo
 
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Yep a few weeks on x gels and it really starts to kick in.
 

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Still have yet to notice any positive side effects, changes, or improvements. Call me an outlier, or maybe it is just too early?[/QUOTE]


I know this would be speculation...
But you’re pretty much in tip top shape. Do you think someone with further to go might notice more from these type of products? I mean if they have more ‘natural potential’ left in the bank?
 
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I know this would be speculation...
But you’re pretty much in tip top shape. Do you think someone with further to go might notice more from these type of products? I mean if they have more ‘natural potential’ left in the bank?
I am far from Tip Top Shape bud. I am 20+ pounds over stage weight.
 
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Whoa, you didn't tell me you had turned into a fatass. This changes everything.
My bad....
I forgot Products only work on people who don't understand a proper diet or training program
Let me just take more pills and powders and try and "Supplement" my way to progress

YOLO
 
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My bad....
I forgot Products only work on people who don't understand a proper diet or training program
Let me just take more pills and powders and try and "Supplement" my way to progress

YOLO
Yeah, you need to signup for my super secret extreme protocol, for only $769...a week.
 

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I am far from Tip Top Shape bud. I am 20+ pounds over stage weight.
Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.
I bet the vast majority who take this and other ‘natural anabolics’ are relatively new to the game and looking for a magic pill.
Please note, I’m not slating the product or your log, just saying ‘are highly trained individuals really the target market here?’
 
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Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.
I bet the vast majority who take this and other ‘natural anabolics’ are relatively new to the game and looking for a magic pill.
Please note, I’m not slating the product or your log, just saying ‘are highly trained individuals really the target market here?’
Exactly why Bob is the perfect tester for this (I hate marketing terminology) demographic.
 
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Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.
I bet the vast majority who take this and other ‘natural anabolics’ are relatively new to the game and looking for a magic pill.
Please note, I’m not slating the product or your log, just saying ‘are highly trained individuals really the target market here?’
Whether you are new to training or been training 3-5 years, or 10 years the product is aimed and designed to perform a special function and have the desired outcome. The same can be said for any other brand or company who puts out products like this.

The issue with most trainees is they lack a good diet and a consistent training program. Most people just eat Bro foods or "Clean Foods" (Whatever those are) throughout the week and have a snowball effect on the weekend of eating whatever. Most people show up to the gym and go oh I am gonna train this today, and "I saw this person do this exercise so I am going to try that today."

The use of a logbook, and trying to beat your previous workouts is a lost art. The desire and mental fortitude of most trainees is lacking, as is their intensity when in the gym. Sad but true. To blame me as an outlier or someone who takes training and dieting serious is not the issue. If anything I am one who is very consistent with my dieting and training and therefore it gives better insight when a new product come outs how well it works in a "Controlled" environment with no other external factors or products skewing the results.

People who stack X,Y,Z and then add in BMP you are playing a guessing game on how much BMP is doing, and how much all the other assets are playing a role in the desired outcome.

People who have a diet that goes from 2000 calories on the week, to 2500 the next, or down to 1600 the next and are all over the place have no consistency. I could easily jack my intake from my starting point up to 1000-1500 calories by the end of a 4-8 week run, but then how much was BMP and how much was the enlarged caloric surplus? You don't know.

What I am trying to prove to anyone who follows this log is this:
- Take a consistent diet (that is not changed)
- Take a workout program (that is not changed)
- Do not stack or modify anything I am doing but adding in BMP
- Take notes and see what happens in a perfectly controlled environment without any outside additions or factors to skew the results.
 
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What I get out of it does not dictate the final say. I am just another consumer, and how I respond may be 100x different than another. Most people do not run logs in a controlled setting such as myself. This shows the only variable changed is the addition of the supplement and how much as a standalone it truly shines.

One thing I know is that I won't be adding calories weekly and then attributing it to the supplement, which we see a lot of on these forums. People manipulate their nutrition to a larger surplus over the span of a log and then attribute that to the supplement working. It doesn't always work that way when you play a guessing game on how much was X (Nutrition) and how much was Y (Supplement)
Your testing a recomp supplement. Calories remaining the same should be a given. If it's a natural muscle building supplement however a calorie surplus is required imo.
 
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Whoa, you didn't tell me you had turned into a fatass. This changes everything.
Those photos at the beginning of this log are the worst shaps I have ever seen Bob in. It made me smile. Haha.

Sad that is his worst and it would be my best.

My bad....
I forgot Products only work on people who don't understand a proper diet or training program
Let me just take more pills and powders and try and "Supplement" my way to progress

YOLO
Oh no, the trick is that your diet is all wrong. Everything you were ever taught about diet and exercise is wrong.

I have a secret meal plan that will get you squared away. Just sign up for my monthly training program for $99 a month. Call me Vince.

In alk seriousness, this product may have some body recono effects but I think that will be more long term. This product was designed as a muscle builder and that is a slow process. Bob's leanness would probably make that easier to see.

But if people are working out and expecting monthly changes, that is wrong. This is why strength is the best guage of progress - you can measure strength gains of 5-10 pounds much easier than you can measure an additional 0.3 pounds of muscle on your body.

I am waiting to see your strength jump in the last 2 weeks.
 
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Your testing a recomp supplement. Calories remaining the same should be a given. If it's a natural muscle building supplement however a calorie surplus is required imo.
BMP is a category of its own. You can't just knock everything into over-simplified pigeonholes without actually understanding how and why it works.
 
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BMP is a category of its own. You can't just knock everything into over-simplified pigeonholes without actually understanding how and why it works.
I didn't do that, the solution did when he quoted this.

"What To Expect?

BMP offers an effortless and highly effective/dramatic recomposition effect. A simultaneous increase in muscle and a decrease in fat."

Knock the OP not me .
 
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I'm just saying that the comparison to other supposed "natty anabolics" is a little unfair.

Yeah, the writeup isn't one of our best. I'll need to scrap it and start from scratch
 
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I'm just saying that the comparison to other supposed "natty anabolics" is a little unfair.

Yeah, the writeup isn't one of our best. I'll need to scrap it and start from scratch
That's possibly a bit extreme, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just pointing out that that's why I thought it was a recomp product.
 
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That's possibly a bit extreme, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just pointing out that that's why I thought it was a recomp product.
It's cool, I wasn't trying to be a dick either. It's my fault for not communicating it's functionality better.
 
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It's cool, I wasn't trying to be a dick either. It's my fault for not communicating it's functionality better.
Damn, now the solution doesn't know what effects he is supposed to experience since the product description needs redone
 
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Mesocycle #13
Week 6 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

DB Flat Bench Press:
50's x 8
70's x 8
100's x 8 (2 Sets)

Low Incline Smith Bench Press:
135 x 6
225 x 8-10 (2 Sets)

HS Machine Press:
3 Plates / Side x 8 (2 Sets)
3 Plates / Side x 8 + 5 Partials

Low Cable Crossover:
20 Each hand x 8 (3 Sets)

DB Rear Delt Fly:
2 Sets of 20

DB Partial Lateral's
2 Sets of 20

DB 6-Ways
15's x 8 (2 Sets)

Dual Handle Pushdown:
30 Each Hand x 10
35 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)
35 Each Hand x 12 + 15 Second Iso-Hold

Overhead Rope Extension
100 x 8 (3 Sets)
100 x 8 + 6 Partials

Post-Workout:
Protein Cupcakes


BMP Day 15
Still nothing to note.
Strength, Recovery, Sleep everything is very stationary. Lifts are steady
 
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I'll take one of those protein cupcakes please;)
 
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Mesocycle #13
Week 6 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

One Arm Barbell Row:
2-25lb Plates x 8 (3 Sets)

Assisted Chins:
BW x Failure (2 Sets)

DB Row: (3:1:2:1)
80's x 5 (5 Sets)
** 45 Second Rests **

Straight Arm Pulldowns
50 Each Hand x 10 (3 Sets)

FacePull (Seated and sitting up in the seat to eliminate momentum)
100 x 12 (2 Sets)

Reverse Curl
65 x 12 (3 Sets)
65 x 12 + 5 Partials

Preacher Curl
65 x 8 (3 Sets)
65 x 8 + Iso-Hold

Post-Workout:
Outright Bar


BMP Day 16
I notice others are breaking out in with rashes. None on my end
Besides that everything is smooth sailing. Weight Steady, Lifts Steady, Mood/Sleep/Energy all steady.
I have not seen a change in any department since Day 1
 
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Week 6 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Flat DB Bench
110's x 8 (2 Sets)

High Incline Smith Machine Bench
2-25's/Side x 8
3-25's/Side x 8 (2 Sets)

Stretch Push-Up:
2 Sets to Failure

DB Side Lateral
30's x 10 (2 Sets)

Bent Over DB Swings:
20's x 10
20's x 20 (2 Sets)

Dual Handle Pushdown:
100 x 10 (2 Sets)
100 x 10 + 15 Second Iso-Hold

DB Floor Press:
70's x 6 (2 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Cereal & Whey


BMP Day 17
Still nothing has changed. I havent felt any different from day 1
Recovery, Sleep, Mood, Energy, Strength all steady
Weight is still steady
 
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Nice flat bench DB press. 110 by 8 at your weight is good!
 
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I am suprised you have seen nothing from it to be honest. Not sure what to say, that has not been my experience.
 
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And yeah, 110's x 8 is seriously strong. I know people throw around big numbers on the internet but I bet less than 5% of people weighing over 250 could even do that.
 
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And yeah, 110's x 8 is seriously strong. I know people throw around big numbers on the internet but I bet less than 5% of people weighing over 250 could even do that.
No spotter or lift requires either.
For S and G I did 225 on bench after my workout for 15 reps. I bet I could hit 20 fresh
 
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No spotter or lift requires either.
For S and G I did 225 on bench after my workout for 15 reps. I bet I could hit 20 fresh
NFL ready my friend!
 
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Mesocycle #13
Week 6 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Low Cable Rows: (3:1:2:1)
120 x 10 (3 Sets)

Single Arm Supinated Lat Pulldown
35 Each Hand x 8
35 Each Hand x 8 --> 30 x 8 --> 25 x 10

Cable Pullover (Heels elevated to load lats)
100 x 10 (2 Sets)

Incline Braced DB Row:
45's x 10 (2 Sets)

HyperExtensions:
BW x Failure (2 Sets)

EZ Bar Curl
75 x 8 (2 Sets)
75 x 15 --> 65 x 10 --> 55 x 8

Cable Hammer Curl:
55 x 10
70 x 10 --> 55 x 10 --> 40 x 10

Post-Workout:
Sweet Potato & Apple Hash with PB Glaze


BMP Day 18
If I see any changes today or tomorrow I will note, we are almost completed with week 3, and nothing to note
 
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Mesocycle #13
Week 6 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Lying Leg Curl
150 x 8 (3 Sets)
150 x 8 + 15 Partials + 10 Second Iso-Hold

Leg Press (Low Feet Placement): (3:1:1:1)
4 Plates/Side x 15
5 Plates/Side x 12
6 Plates/Side x 7
7 Plates/Side x 7
8 Plates/Side x 7

Bulgarian Split Squat:
20's x 8
25's x 8
40's x 8
50's x 8 + 10 Partials (2 Sets)

Leg Extension:
50 Each Leg x 10 (3 Sets)
50 Each Leg x 10 + 15 Partials + 15 Second Iso-Hold

Cable Pull-Through:
100 x 10 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Ben & Jerry's PB World


BMP week 3
3 Weeks in, nothing to report
Luckily no rashes like others have stated taking the product.
Ill get some final pictures for next week to compare before/after.
 
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Great transparent log as always. No results = no results.

Would love to see you take on cel anabolic effect for a direct comparison coming off this one. That would be a great one.
 
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Great transparent log as always. No results = no results.

Would love to see you take on cel anabolic effect for a direct comparison coming off this one. That would be a great one.
Agreed with this. Need someone like the solution to give us the straight up review:)
 
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No improvements in workout recovery?

Just confused because you wrote a review for Orange Beat, which you had to have added while using this, that said you were seeing improved recovery during workouts.

Just wondering how you could tell it was helping your workouts but apparently not BMP.
 
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@TheSolution Many of the popular supplements like Vector and BMP have absolutely no effect on you. At the end of the log, please tell us what supplements do work for you.
 
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No improvements in workout recovery?

Just confused because you wrote a review for Orange Beat, which you had to have added while using this, that said you were seeing improved recovery during workouts.

Just wondering how you could tell it was helping your workouts but apparently not BMP.
I am just wondering how long it will take for someone to point out:

1. Every week for 95% of this, his sets/reps are EXACTLY the same - the only exercises he takes to failure have no rep counts; so we can't really tell if he has any improvement. I could take Test and then go into the gym and do 10 sets of 10 with 150 pounds on a bench press every week and then say, "I got nothing".

2. There have been significant exercise selection changes during this, which is fine, but it does obscure it a little.

3. On week 5, day 3 we have 2 sets of 8 with 80 pound dumbbells on the flat DB bench. On week 6, day 3 - it jumps to 110's - 60 pounds heavier in a week!?? To me this signifies he either was working well below the level needed to stimulate growth, or he experienced significant growth.

4. On week 4 day 3 he was doing DB side laterals for partials with 30's and 40's. Weeks 5 and 6 he is doing full reps with the 30's and no drop in reps. Same thoughts on this as #3.

5. On week 4, day 4 - Low cable rows - 3 sets of 10 with 120. Same on Week 5. Week 6 - suddenly jumps to 140 with a very slightly slower cadence and no drop in reps. A 20 pound increase in 2 weeks.

I may have missed some other stuff in there, but that's what jumped out at me. I do think he's being honest - I don't think he has "felt" anything. Still, I would notice if I jumped up from 80's to 110's on DB and if I was capable of using 110's I certainly wouldn't be using 80's and then expecting to get to 120. But that's just me.
 
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Great transparent log as always. No results = no results.

Would love to see you take on cel anabolic effect for a direct comparison coming off this one. That would be a great one.
Especially considering Vector did nothing at all for @TheSolution
 
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I am just wondering how long it will take for someone to point out:

1. Every week for 95% of this, his sets/reps are EXACTLY the same - the only exercises he takes to failure have no rep counts; so we can't really tell if he has any improvement. I could take Test and then go into the gym and do 10 sets of 10 with 150 pounds on a bench press every week and then say, "I got nothing".

The weight hasnt improved on the intensity sets or else it would be noted.

2. There have been significant exercise selection changes during this, which is fine, but it does obscure it a little.

That is exactly how John Outlines his training. I follow it to a T

3. On week 5, day 3 we have 2 sets of 8 with 80 pound dumbbells on the flat DB bench. On week 6, day 3 - it jumps to 110's - 60 pounds heavier in a week!?? To me this signifies he either was working well below the level needed to stimulate growth, or he experienced significant growth.

Hypertrophy Day with minimal rest periods and lower RPE .. hence a lower weight for that reps (again exactly as john has it outlined compared to a power day where there is a longer rest period)

4. On week 4 day 3 he was doing DB side laterals for partials with 30's and 40's. Weeks 5 and 6 he is doing full reps with the 30's and no drop in reps. Same thoughts on this as #3.

That doesn't equal and strength gains. Especially since the RPE on the Partials are a lot lower (its a pre-exhaust set)
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I have also run this program 6 weeks prior to this BMP run and my numbers are exactly the same on those workout days. So i can look back at my logbook and compare the numbers. They are exactly the same.

Meadows varies his RPE throughout his training protocol depending on the day. Its outlined to a T on how every set, rep, and day should be performed. Not everything is to absolute failure because if that was the case the client or person following the training program would run themself into the ground and never recover. People who constantly chase failure during training are setting themselves up for long term injuries.

If you follow me on IG you can see the short clips I post of my workout videos. You can tell which sets are taken to failure, and you can see what sets are not.
 
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Especially considering Vector did nothing at all for @TheSolution
Vector did not work for a lot of people.
I got criticized because I would not add 100-150 calories every single week, which doesn't state how well a "Supplement" works. It takes it out of a controlled environment where you play the guessing game of how much X (Caloric Surplus) and Y (The supplement) dictates the results. You do not have any clue because it becomes a guessing game. People who constantly skew their nutrition or follow a yo-yo diet can't give you 100% feedback on a "Supplement' which should "Supplement" the consistent diet and training program.
 
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Meadows varies his RPE throughout his training protocol depending on the day. Its outlined to a T on how every set, rep, and day should be performed. Not everything is to absolute failure because if that was the case the client or person following the training program would run themself into the ground and never recover. People who constantly chase failure during training are setting themselves up for long term injuries.

If you follow me on IG you can see the short clips I post of my workout videos. You can tell which sets are taken to failure, and you can see what sets are not.
Ok, perhaps it doesn't make sense to me is all.

So no matter what, on week 2 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 80 and on week 3 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 110?

And beyond that, John recommends doing the same weight, same sets, and same reps for 3 weeks straight?

It looks like he doesn't change load or volume hardly at all (with the exception of a 60 pound jump in the bench), but does change exercise selection a little more.

Also, I never said you should be taking every set to failure - I agree with you there. I am just saying the only things you specify to failure do not list the reps you did - you just say, for instance, "Dips: 2 sets to failure".
 
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Ok, perhaps it doesn't make sense to me is all.

So no matter what, on week 2 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 80 and on week 3 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 110?

And beyond that, John recommends doing the same weight, same sets, and same reps for 3 weeks straight?

It looks like he doesn't change load or volume hardly at all (with the exception of a 60 pound jump in the bench), but does change exercise selection a little more.

Also, I never said you should be taking every set to failure - I agree with you there. I am just saying the only things you specify to failure do not list the reps you did - you just say, for instance, "Dips: 2 sets to failure".
I think you missed this statement:

I have also run this program 6 weeks prior to this BMP run and my numbers are exactly the same on those workout days. So i can look back at my logbook and compare the numbers. They are exactly the same.

If I would of noticed anything different in the prior 6 weeks to this 6 weeks (2nd time running the mesocycle) I would of noted it, even with the inclusion of BMP
 
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I think you missed this statement:

I have also run this program 6 weeks prior to this BMP run and my numbers are exactly the same on those workout days. So i can look back at my logbook and compare the numbers. They are exactly the same.
No, I think that explains a lot actually.
 
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Don't get me wrong here man - I am a legit Evomuse fanboy. BMP is awesome for me, so we all know how that goes. It's like taking Alphamine from a PES fan.

And I know that no matter what you do in a log...someone is going to get upset. Good on you for doing getting out there with your thoughts. It isn't personal or about you personally. I like the effort and integrity you put into this stuff and appreciate the log.
 

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I just want to see a log where the solution makes sick gains lol

Whatever it is, I will buy 12 of them without any research haha
 
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Don't get me wrong here man - I am a legit Evomuse fanboy. BMP is awesome for me, so we all know how that goes. It's like taking Alphamine from a PES fan.

And I know that no matter what you do in a log...someone is going to get upset. Good on you for doing getting out there with your thoughts. It isn't personal or about you personally. I like the effort and integrity you put into this stuff and appreciate the log.
Never intended it to come off that way or be that way.

I ran this program before , and this is my 2nd go around (Ran 6 weeks, took a deload, on my 2nd 6-week run). I have a logbook I keep with all the numbers from the first 6 weeks, and now with BMP on my 2nd run they are all 100% the same exercise to exercise.

The real test will be if the mirror shows any improvement. That would be the only saving grace to the product if its in my favor. Ill get some pics up end of this week or next to see the difference. My bodyweight is very similar from day 1
 
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I just want to see a log where the solution makes sick gains lol

Whatever it is, I will buy 12 of them without any research haha
I don't agree with this statement at all.
What works for me, or doesn't work for me is not always the same for anyone else.
We can apply that with training and nutrition as well.
 
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Still - I do agree that I am always on board to see Bob make sick gains!! Or just about anybody on this board for that matter.
 
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