Yep a few weeks on x gels and it really starts to kick in.
I am far from Tip Top Shape bud. I am 20+ pounds over stage weight.I know this would be speculation...
But you’re pretty much in tip top shape. Do you think someone with further to go might notice more from these type of products? I mean if they have more ‘natural potential’ left in the bank?
Whoa, you didn't tell me you had turned into a fatass. This changes everything.I am far from Tip Top Shape bud. I am 20+ pounds over stage weight.
My bad....Whoa, you didn't tell me you had turned into a fatass. This changes everything.
Yeah, you need to signup for my super secret extreme protocol, for only $769...a week.My bad....
I forgot Products only work on people who don't understand a proper diet or training program
Let me just take more pills and powders and try and "Supplement" my way to progress
YOLO
Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.I am far from Tip Top Shape bud. I am 20+ pounds over stage weight.
Exactly why Bob is the perfect tester for this (I hate marketing terminology) demographic.Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.
I bet the vast majority who take this and other ‘natural anabolics’ are relatively new to the game and looking for a magic pill.
Please note, I’m not slating the product or your log, just saying ‘are highly trained individuals really the target market here?’
Whether you are new to training or been training 3-5 years, or 10 years the product is aimed and designed to perform a special function and have the desired outcome. The same can be said for any other brand or company who puts out products like this.Fair enough, I’d bet that is still better shape than 99% of people who will take this supplement though. That was more my point, you’re (by most people’s standards) fine tuning.
I bet the vast majority who take this and other ‘natural anabolics’ are relatively new to the game and looking for a magic pill.
Please note, I’m not slating the product or your log, just saying ‘are highly trained individuals really the target market here?’
Your testing a recomp supplement. Calories remaining the same should be a given. If it's a natural muscle building supplement however a calorie surplus is required imo.What I get out of it does not dictate the final say. I am just another consumer, and how I respond may be 100x different than another. Most people do not run logs in a controlled setting such as myself. This shows the only variable changed is the addition of the supplement and how much as a standalone it truly shines.
One thing I know is that I won't be adding calories weekly and then attributing it to the supplement, which we see a lot of on these forums. People manipulate their nutrition to a larger surplus over the span of a log and then attribute that to the supplement working. It doesn't always work that way when you play a guessing game on how much was X (Nutrition) and how much was Y (Supplement)
Those photos at the beginning of this log are the worst shaps I have ever seen Bob in. It made me smile. Haha.Whoa, you didn't tell me you had turned into a fatass. This changes everything.
Oh no, the trick is that your diet is all wrong. Everything you were ever taught about diet and exercise is wrong.My bad....
I forgot Products only work on people who don't understand a proper diet or training program
Let me just take more pills and powders and try and "Supplement" my way to progress
YOLO
BMP is a category of its own. You can't just knock everything into over-simplified pigeonholes without actually understanding how and why it works.Your testing a recomp supplement. Calories remaining the same should be a given. If it's a natural muscle building supplement however a calorie surplus is required imo.
I didn't do that, the solution did when he quoted this.BMP is a category of its own. You can't just knock everything into over-simplified pigeonholes without actually understanding how and why it works.
That's possibly a bit extreme, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just pointing out that that's why I thought it was a recomp product.I'm just saying that the comparison to other supposed "natty anabolics" is a little unfair.
Yeah, the writeup isn't one of our best. I'll need to scrap it and start from scratch
It's cool, I wasn't trying to be a dick either. It's my fault for not communicating it's functionality better.That's possibly a bit extreme, I'm not trying to be a dick. Just pointing out that that's why I thought it was a recomp product.
Damn, now the solution doesn't know what effects he is supposed to experience since the product description needs redoneIt's cool, I wasn't trying to be a dick either. It's my fault for not communicating it's functionality better.
Bob knows his body probably better than 99% of the world...I think he'll be ok.Damn, now the solution doesn't know what effects he is supposed to experience since the product description needs redone
No spotter or lift requires either.And yeah, 110's x 8 is seriously strong. I know people throw around big numbers on the internet but I bet less than 5% of people weighing over 250 could even do that.
NFL ready my friend!No spotter or lift requires either.
For S and G I did 225 on bench after my workout for 15 reps. I bet I could hit 20 fresh
Agreed with this. Need someone like the solution to give us the straight up reviewGreat transparent log as always. No results = no results.
Would love to see you take on cel anabolic effect for a direct comparison coming off this one. That would be a great one.
I am just wondering how long it will take for someone to point out:No improvements in workout recovery?
Just confused because you wrote a review for Orange Beat, which you had to have added while using this, that said you were seeing improved recovery during workouts.
Just wondering how you could tell it was helping your workouts but apparently not BMP.
Especially considering Vector did nothing at all for @TheSolutionGreat transparent log as always. No results = no results.
Would love to see you take on cel anabolic effect for a direct comparison coming off this one. That would be a great one.
Read BoldI am just wondering how long it will take for someone to point out:
1. Every week for 95% of this, his sets/reps are EXACTLY the same - the only exercises he takes to failure have no rep counts; so we can't really tell if he has any improvement. I could take Test and then go into the gym and do 10 sets of 10 with 150 pounds on a bench press every week and then say, "I got nothing".
The weight hasnt improved on the intensity sets or else it would be noted.
2. There have been significant exercise selection changes during this, which is fine, but it does obscure it a little.
That is exactly how John Outlines his training. I follow it to a T
3. On week 5, day 3 we have 2 sets of 8 with 80 pound dumbbells on the flat DB bench. On week 6, day 3 - it jumps to 110's - 60 pounds heavier in a week!?? To me this signifies he either was working well below the level needed to stimulate growth, or he experienced significant growth.
Hypertrophy Day with minimal rest periods and lower RPE .. hence a lower weight for that reps (again exactly as john has it outlined compared to a power day where there is a longer rest period)
4. On week 4 day 3 he was doing DB side laterals for partials with 30's and 40's. Weeks 5 and 6 he is doing full reps with the 30's and no drop in reps. Same thoughts on this as #3.
That doesn't equal and strength gains. Especially since the RPE on the Partials are a lot lower (its a pre-exhaust set)
Vector did not work for a lot of people.Especially considering Vector did nothing at all for @TheSolution
Ok, perhaps it doesn't make sense to me is all.Read Bold
Meadows varies his RPE throughout his training protocol depending on the day. Its outlined to a T on how every set, rep, and day should be performed. Not everything is to absolute failure because if that was the case the client or person following the training program would run themself into the ground and never recover. People who constantly chase failure during training are setting themselves up for long term injuries.
If you follow me on IG you can see the short clips I post of my workout videos. You can tell which sets are taken to failure, and you can see what sets are not.
I think you missed this statement:Ok, perhaps it doesn't make sense to me is all.
So no matter what, on week 2 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 80 and on week 3 you were going to be doing 8 X 2 X 110?
And beyond that, John recommends doing the same weight, same sets, and same reps for 3 weeks straight?
It looks like he doesn't change load or volume hardly at all (with the exception of a 60 pound jump in the bench), but does change exercise selection a little more.
Also, I never said you should be taking every set to failure - I agree with you there. I am just saying the only things you specify to failure do not list the reps you did - you just say, for instance, "Dips: 2 sets to failure".
No, I think that explains a lot actually.I think you missed this statement:
I have also run this program 6 weeks prior to this BMP run and my numbers are exactly the same on those workout days. So i can look back at my logbook and compare the numbers. They are exactly the same.
Never intended it to come off that way or be that way.Don't get me wrong here man - I am a legit Evomuse fanboy. BMP is awesome for me, so we all know how that goes. It's like taking Alphamine from a PES fan.
And I know that no matter what you do in a log...someone is going to get upset. Good on you for doing getting out there with your thoughts. It isn't personal or about you personally. I like the effort and integrity you put into this stuff and appreciate the log.
I don't agree with this statement at all.I just want to see a log where the solution makes sick gains lol
Whatever it is, I will buy 12 of them without any research haha
Haha it was a jokeI don't agree with this statement at all.
What works for me, or doesn't work for me is not always the same for anyone else.
We can apply that with training and nutrition as well.
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