DemntedCowboy
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Yeah well I work in the scariest place in the world. I work in Detroit. Lol
Blast: Trestolone Acetate + Testosterone + Superdrol + LGD / Hairygrandpa blowing up!
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christ83189
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Where at in idaho? I live in post falls. Also i used to fly down to work in nevada and i had a 7 hour layover in salt lake once and i had a similar experience. Just ended up around some sketchy people lol
rtmilburn
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Sh!t
rtmilburn
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Out in kuna, about 20min south west of boise. Ya what the fuk is up with salt lake? They all are crack heads too, or insanely brainwashed. Sadly all my family is Mormon, both sides, and tons live in utah. Although ive never had a bad experience with people in utah other than salt lake. But i sure do love my smallish farm town.
MrKleen73
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I just do... I could feel it coming on and that was with me increasing activity too... Switching over to the Carb Nite "diet" for a bit. Basically keto @ 2000 calories and then once a week you get a CarbNite! Which is exactly what it says it is. Very similar to the Ultimate Diet 2.0 but not as big of a deficit during the week, and not as big of a carb load for the CarbNite. Just a little more subdued...
I bet you are filling up like crazy on 4000-5000, but I bet you could grow just as much LBM on 3500, with less fat gain.
Chados
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I've been traveling all around the world and the place I saw most crazy stuff was in Christ church New Zealand at night, Auckland was also a bit messy. And New Zealand is supposedly a really safe country. I also encounter some stuff in Bulgaria. The (most dangerous places ) I never saw anything.
Chados
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You're on the heavier side then but I feel that you could easily gain that weight with 3k and not add fat. You know your body better than me but I also know how hard it is to eat clean in south America haha. The trest is such a bloater and while I think SD will control that somewhat it might be a bit much kcal without cardio. How do you feel about trest? You like it so far?
rtmilburn
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One of my buddies is in new Zealand right now and he says he offered meth nearly daily. He says they are super nice though, as long as you dont catch them at the end of a bender. He is in a rougher area in new Zealand though. Haha what im trying to say is that doesn't suprise me that new Zealand was sketchy for you.
hairygrandpa
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Thing is, the S-drol is only for 6 weeks, have to make it count to see how much is possible to grow on it. After that I'll go lower on cals, more like recomp, upping cardio to see where it leads me. Bloat is a bit better, since I cut on carbs. Did I gain fat? You bet! But hard to know for sure because of the bloat.
MrKleen73
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Why do you think that SD would help with trest being a bloater? SD is dry, as in it does not aromatize but it doesn't actually dry you out. Not in anyway that I am aware of anyway. It doesn't lower or help metabolize estrogen so I don't think it would effect the bloat one way or another, it just would not add to it unless that is just something I don't know about SD which is possible. Maybe you can shed a little light on that for me?
rtmilburn
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Sd can also cause nasty bloating.
MrKleen73
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If this is a full on hardcore bulk then by all means man crush those calories. From the shape you are in I would just recomp into a 215-220 adonis like body, but my nipples get soft and pointy real quick, so I wrote off bulking like that a long time ago. I can't be sporting horrible moobs...
hairygrandpa
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Love the trest, even on only 10mg/day (will up dosage again as soon as I have more ralox)! Eating clean is easy for me, I always never order food -or eat out of the house. 4 more weeks of S-drol, after that I cut cals to around 3k or lower.
rtmilburn
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I actually like this plan. Putting on fat while on sdrol is a lot harder than normal, possible but harder. So bulk like a mother fuker for 4 weeks then cut back to recomp once off sdrol.
hairygrandpa
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As you know, that was exactly what I wanted to do -but my appetite was through the roof and discipline sucked. A cut became a full blown bulk. LOL
MrKleen73
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Yeah, we both bit the big one as far as sticking to our guns on the challenge. I am hoping to make enough of a difference this last 3 weeks to at least not be ashamed of my efforts... Like I said, if my fat distribution was better and I didn't get moobs that just get worse every percent point beyond 10% I would do a full on massive bulk. Hell I would probably be as big as a house an not worried about getting abs. Unfortunately that is not the case, so I have to be very conscious of my body fat levels.
hairygrandpa
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I noticed, most men sport some moobs, that doesn't worry me as much as the damn hip tire. I really wanna have a small waist, visible ABS are a sign of someone not being able enjoying life, hehehe.
Don't want to carry around so much weight at my age. BP must be watched and my frail knees don't like this much weight either.
Currently feeling great, with the XL T-shirts getting tight. But at the end, I have to get down to at least 220lbs to be healthy.
Saw your last pics in your log, I can see changes! You are much more dedicated to details than me.
Chados
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Nah you're probably right. Isn't SD built up to be a bit like masteron? It's not gonna kill the bloat from the trest but it might help keep it down a bit. But I don't think he is running an ai either so I don't think it'll help much.. I know you can cut with SD quite easily, never tried it myself though. Isn't SD quite the bloater with high carbs and the opposite with low carbs?.
I just feel that every time I run a dry compound with a wet they both will give their share to the table. Instead of trest doing everything the dry compound will add lean mass and not so much bloat. Am I wrong here?
Chados
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I've heard so but that must be with a high carb intake?
hairygrandpa
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Letro, 0.4mg ED. I'm on 350mg test/w too. I figured rtmilburn is probably right. Trest aromatizes by other means than regular test does. For me, even with higher doses of AI, bloat and nipple sensitivity is NOT controlled on trest. Ralox is probably the correct addition to tap all estrogen receptors (especially breast). Have not enough ralox to up the trest dose right now.
Chados
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Ah you do have ralox, forget my other comment to mrkleen then. You run proviron a lot during pct ? At 25mg I suppose? How does that dosage affect hardness? Or was it during cycle? Can't remember
, just seen a lot of people running that or osta in pct.
Chados
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Oh yeah trest is the worst i believe, probably more estro than dbol.
hairygrandpa
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Not running proviron currently -and I'm on TRT (cruise/blast), no PCT for this old man, LOL.
I noted upcoming nipple trouble on 20mg trest ace while using 15mg ralox/d and 0.6mg letro/d. Upping letro made my joints hurt but did NOT change sensitive nipples. The conclusion was to up ralox -but not sufficient at hand, so I cut trest dose in half and lowered letro a bit.
This cycle is to find out, if ralox can suppress estro sides of trest. The day more ralox arrives, I'm upping trest to see if it works as predicted.
hairygrandpa
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WAY worse!!! Its a estrogen nightmare! Others take 50-70mg trest ace eod, with 2.5mg letro EVERY DAY, internet is full of logs. That made rtmilburn -and me think that NO AI is optimal effective for trest -but maybe ralox does the trick.
Chados
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Ah of course.. I knew you were on trt my bad haha. I actually didn't have problems with estro on trest, actually I've never had problems except without ai and high test or high dosage of dbol. As soon as I add an ai I'm fine. I think ralox might help in regards of gyno but as far as keeping estro in check it won't. People are so different and I think we should take the drugs accordingly to our own bodies. If you feel best at say 20mg and you get the gains there's really no point pushing it. I only felt bad on tren and I'm never going above 400, I'm actually leaning on going down even when I'm now bigger than ever to 300. Best option is to run it so low that you won't need an ai but then again you might go too low.
hairygrandpa
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Happy you! I only look at a drop of test and my nipples get erect, LOL.
Keeping estro in check: If you can saturate all receptors with ralox, you don't need an AI, estrogen has nowhere to dock on to. At 15mg , I'm at half of the dosage needed to tap all, I guess. Ralox is known to bind best on breast receptors in comparison to other serms, so I figured 15mg may be enough for keeping me safe from gyno. That was false. I may need 30-60mg when running trest at a suitable dosage. We will see.
Chados
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Yeah it is the best for sure. That high you think? Well start with 30 maybe and then up if needed. Even with sensitivity I find it hard to believe you'd develop gyno at 30 mg.
rtmilburn
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19-nor are not aromatized, by aromatase. Rather they are reduce to estrogen by other enzymes. Meaning they cannot be controlled with AIs. Usually estrogen conversion with 19nors is not an issue as it happens at lower rates. However, the alteration made to trest makes conversion happen at a higher rate, and also produce a MUCH more potent form of estrogen.
Meaning trest cannot be controlled with anything short of ralox, imo.
rtmilburn
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Controlling estrogen does not matter if it cannot bind to a receptor, and good dose of ralox would do just that. Also i agree sometimes you hace to play these things by feel.
Chados
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True but you're still dealing with high estrogen. It's just not healthy even if you dont get gyno from it. Wouldn't one also have to worry about rebound gyno if you don't run nolva long enough?
hairygrandpa
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We are about to find out
. If Ralox works well with a moderate dose of trest ace, I may make it a staple for all future cycles and try to not use AI (only by the end of a cycle to curb rebound). This way, fiddling with AI can be avoided and sides like low libido, hurting joints, acne and bloat may never develop, no matter what type of roid you use.
hairygrandpa
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If it can't dock anywhere, high estrogen does nothing, IMHO. Yes, for rebound you have to take an AI while fading Ralox out, IMO.
rtmilburn
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High estrogen with no where to dock is of zero concern, as it literally can do nothing. Rebound gyno can happen but is not that common. Estrogens half life is relatively short, so as long as you continue serm use a week past cessation of the hormone causing the issue-obviously accounting for time it takes esters to clear- you should not have that issue. Adex and letro have much higher possibility of rebound than any serm.
Chados
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Yeah I'm just not certain about that. Estrogen floating around doing nothing that is. I've been curious about this, maybe someone can chime in
Chados
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Interesting and this has been proven? You always hear two sides of the coin.
hairygrandpa
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Gym
Cycle day 16
Felt like Superman again, had to restrain myself from ego lifting:
Reverse grip seated row, holding 1 sec.
235lbs x12/12/10
One armed lat pull down, holding 2 sec
160lbs x12/10/10
Lat press down bar
110lbs x10/7
85lbs x11
DB flat bench
2x90lbs x6
2x80lbs x11/9
One armed landmine press, lowering 3 sec
2plates =90lbs x9/8/8
Landmines both hands, shoulder to shoulder
3 plates =135lbs x16/14
close grip BB bench press, touching chest
225lbs x12
265lbs x7
225lbs x10
Face pulls, cable , hammer fist to ears, rope
holding 2 sec.
50lbs x13/14/11
Inverted rows horizontal bar, holding 2 sec.
12/9/10
DB floor triceps extensions
2x 20lbs x50/32/27
Biceps drag curls smith
110lbs x14
lowering slow x9/7
Cycle day 16
Felt like Superman again, had to restrain myself from ego lifting:
Reverse grip seated row, holding 1 sec.
235lbs x12/12/10
One armed lat pull down, holding 2 sec
160lbs x12/10/10
Lat press down bar
110lbs x10/7
85lbs x11
DB flat bench
2x90lbs x6
2x80lbs x11/9
One armed landmine press, lowering 3 sec
2plates =90lbs x9/8/8
Landmines both hands, shoulder to shoulder
3 plates =135lbs x16/14
close grip BB bench press, touching chest
225lbs x12
265lbs x7
225lbs x10
Face pulls, cable , hammer fist to ears, rope
holding 2 sec.
50lbs x13/14/11
Inverted rows horizontal bar, holding 2 sec.
12/9/10
DB floor triceps extensions
2x 20lbs x50/32/27
Biceps drag curls smith
110lbs x14
lowering slow x9/7
hairygrandpa
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Nah, discipline sucked. Now its : "Eat as much as you can, anytime!"
gphagan1
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Awesome workout brother......that's some good weight.
hairygrandpa
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Thank you! Old man must grow!
hairygrandpa
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I live in the Rambo Nation of South Africa. Your places sound cute:lol:
Damn! LOL
Is it really that bad with all the white farmers killings? News are full of horror stories.
jakz
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Yes it is. It's political killings. Easy targets as well,because of large open spaces.
In the city there are no racial problems or tension though and actually quite safe.
hairygrandpa
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How about roids there?
Rocket3015
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jakz
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MrKleen73
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Depends on how much moob there is. When it shakes and jiggles after you stop moving that is just too much... I have a good 1/4lb of fat / psuedogyno under each pec. Plus I was picked on as a kid for having boobs so I am HYPER SENSITIVE when it comes to that. It is the first thing I see in every pic, or every time I put on a shirt and can see my moobs through it.
My thoughts are that it would not exacerbate the wetness, but probably won't minimize it either. However they will act differently on the AR giving different quality to the muscle like you mentioned. Actually that combination might be synergistic compared to SD without a Test Base. If estro got low that way you would gain less. Definitely not the case with trest in the picture.
Yes, isn't it a great idea to add in high quality DIM to help with metabolizing the different types of estrogen to a healthier balance.
You can do 2 methods here, dose a suicidal inhibitor at the end of PCT, or just wait out the higher estrogen levels before stopping the SERM.
The things with these SERMS is that they are designed to specifically have a high affinity to breast tissue, this does not mean that every other estrogen receptor is bound with the same affinity or strength so it can still exercise some of it's effects on some other processes.
This...
Okay now, 265x7 on close grip bench isn't ego lifting with a trick shoulder... :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag:
Jcc7220
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Hairygrandpa - if you don’t mind me asking you weren’t concerned for your heart at your age?... from my understanding if you have any type of heart disease Your basically putting heart disease on steroids.
What precautions did you take prior to your cycle? Were you concerned about an unknown illnesses not only being brought to light but advanced from the steroid use....
My intention for asking is selfish (I just want to learn), not trying to spoil fun
What precautions did you take prior to your cycle? Were you concerned about an unknown illnesses not only being brought to light but advanced from the steroid use....
My intention for asking is selfish (I just want to learn), not trying to spoil fun
Whisky
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He’ll answer in a few mins, he’s just being defibrillated.....