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BlackSheep's: NO BS M-Drol Quickie!!!!!

BlackSheep said:
O' I'm sure punching punkasses in the dome nugget will have that effect after a while no doubt. I don't want to use coach tape though cause I don't box or anything so I'd just look like a total fag lol..Maybe I'll just order some wraps up.

What kind do you use pantera???
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Well they do make some velcro wrist things too that you pull tight... Look pretty official, but I can control where the tape goes and how tight it is where...

Who gives a sh*t what people think... Take care of yourself, thats what matters.
 
bassgod272 said:
I've never seen anyone do them both at the same time. I do alternating pinwheel curls. At the same time wouldn't be smart cuz you can't get the full ROM. I also seen a pro doing the alt pinwheel curls, which is why I tried em in the first place. It was Peter Putnam. I fvckin love em myself.
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You get the full ROM.Your elbows go out a little bit.They have a name.The article said something like usually when you see some strange variation of an exercise that you've never seen before, so and so invented it.
 
BlackSheep said:
O' I'm sure punching punkasses in the dome nugget will have that effect after a while no doubt. I don't want to use coach tape though cause I don't box or anything so I'd just look like a total fag lol..Maybe I'll just order some wraps up.

What kind do you use pantera???
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Altus.I have had them for a yr or more,and they're perfectly fine.I have seen leather straps on the net if you want to look into those.
 
pantera101 said:
You get the full ROM.Your elbows go out a little bit.They have a name.The article said something like usually when you see some strange variation of an exercise that you've never seen before, so and so invented it.
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I like 'em better one arm at a time or alternating. Seems to hit the forearm a lil better. Try it see if you like it better too.

Today I did them the way your talking about though. When ever I do alternating db curls I usually do like 2 reps with both arms and then two alternating and so on so fourth....Just to try and trick the muscles a bit more. (there not very smart so it ain't hard IMO lol):thumbsup:
 
BlackSheep said:
I like 'em better one arm at a time or alternating. Seems to hit the forearm a lil better. Try it see if you like it better too.

Today I did them the way your talking about though. When ever I do alternating db curls I usually do like 2 reps with both arms and then two alternating and so on so fourth....Just to try and trick the muscles a bit more. (there not very smart so it ain't hard IMO lol):thumbsup:
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Oh I have man.Honestly I prefer 'em that way mainly cause it's quicker,but I feel my forearms and brachiallis working too.I truly prefer reverse curls for the forearms and brachiallis though,that works best for me.

Were you asking what lifting straps I use,or wrist straps?I realised your wrist are hurting and all.........my wrist straps say Mr david.I bought them from a sporting goods place and it was all they had.Just measure your wrist before you buy some cause they have different sizes.
 
pantera101 said:
Oh I have man.Honestly I prefer 'em that way mainly cause it's quicker,but I feel my forearms and brachiallis working too.I truly prefer reverse curls for the forearms and brachiallis though,that works best for me.

Were you asking what lifting straps I use,or wrist straps?I realised your wrist are hurting and all.........my wrist straps say Mr david.I bought them from a sporting goods place and it was all they had.Just measure your wrist before you buy some cause they have different sizes.
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Yea, I need some wraps. I have some good straps though there, Valeo 12".
I like to pump out a few rep with each arm and then a few with both together IDK I think it helps...I agree revers curls are4 the way to go. I used to wo my forearms 5 days a week and they fcuking blew up!! I read in Arnold's book that this was OK to do because the forearms recover so quickly anyways. One day you work the flexors and the next you work the (I forget the medical name for them) main forearm muscle. It worked dude I can say that. Now I usually don't even train them more than 1-2 times a month because they grow like no other, my calves to...
 
Quick update

Well I only ended up taking 10mgs of super today. Here's why:

Yesterday I took my second dose as I always do 1 hour pre wo. Right before I was about to go to the gym I noticed a strange feeling in my chest, kind of a dull pain directly in the center of it. Not Good!! So I walked away from the computer (on AM, always ;)) and went to check my blood pressure 150/100!!!! WTF!! Again Not Good!! I have been treated in the passed for anxiety, I still have it but I manage it pretty well without drugs these days. Anyways The pains started to get a bit worse and in turn I started to trip the eeff out. So I ended up taking a xanax and lying down (this is why there was no wo yesterday) after an hour or two it was back down to 119/77 so IDK if I just had an anxiety attack or what, (I do have alot of bad/stressful sht going on in my life right now) but to me it seemed as if it was the second dose of M-drol that did it. So I'll be staying at 10mgs until monday at the cessation of the cycle......
 
O and here's a funny pic::lol:
 

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I think its a good move to drop the dosage bro! don't mess around if your bp is getting out of hand. I had bp issues when i ran a super clone and i was freaking out too.
 
tim1985 said:
I think its a good move to drop the dosage bro! don't mess around if your bp is getting out of hand. I had bp issues when i ran a super clone and i was freaking out too.
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Yea I'm taking 2gz of Hawthorn ed but still 20mgs pushes it to far for my comfort level...
On another note I have seen VERY little bp% elevation staying at 10mgs so....
I kinda want to go for another week but IDK. My life is a whirlwind of sht right now and I don't want to deal with the hormonal crap coming off right now. Guess I'd just be delaying the inevitable but we'll see. I'm on the fence with the idea for sure....
 
BlackSheep said:
Yea I'm taking 2gz of Hawthorn ed but still 20mgs pushes it to far for my comfort level...
On another note I have seen VERY little bp% elevation staying at 10mgs so....
I kinda want to go for another week but IDK. My life is a whirlwind of sht right now and I don't want to deal with the hormonal crap coming off right now. Guess I'd just be delaying the inevitable but we'll see. I'm on the fence with the idea for sure....
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You may want to look into both Cranberry and Blueberry extracts for their ridiculously high ORAC values. Recent research has shown that oxidative stress, which greatly increases with A.A.S., use, can have an adverse effect on BP and lipid levels. Picking up compounds with potent anti-oxidant activity may offset the balance in your favor, mitigating oxidative-stress dependent pathways of blood pressure control.

As well, adding in simple culinary herbs such as oregano, sage, and thyme may actually have a more potent antioxidant effect than fruits due to their dried nature.

Try it out and see if you can attenuate some of that BP gain.


DASH Diet Lowers Blood Pressure and Lipid-Induced Oxidative Stress in Obesity
Heno F. Lopes; Kelley L. Martin; Khaled Nashar; Jason D. Morrow; Theodore L. Goodfriend; Brent M. Egan

From the Departments of Pharmacology (H.F.L., K.N., B.M.E.) and Medicine (B.M.E.) and the General Clinical Research Center (K.L.M., B.M.E.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston; Unidade de Hipertensão-Heart Institute (InCor), HCFM-USP (H.F.L.), São Paulo, Brazil; Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, Vanderbilt University School of Medicine (J.D.M.), Nashville, Tenn; and Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, University of Wisconsin and William S. Middleton Veterans Hospital (T.L.G.), Madison.

Correspondence to Brent M. Egan, MD, Departments of Medicine and Pharmacology, Medical University of South Carolina, 96 Jonathan Lucas St, CSB 826H, Charleston, SC 29425. E-mail [email protected]

Evidence suggests that obesity may raise blood pressure (BP) through oxidative stress–sensitive mechanisms and that the Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension combination diet (DASH-CD) may decrease BP by enhancing antioxidant capacity. To address this question, 12 obese patients with high-normal–to–stage 1 hypertension (hypertensives) and 12 lean normotensives were studied on their usual diets and after following the DASH-CD and a low-antioxidant diet in random sequence for 4 weeks each. Acute oxidative stress was induced by a 4-hour infusion of intralipid and heparin. Ferric-reducing activity of plasma (FRAP) and plasma F2-isoprostanes were measured as biomarkers of antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress, respectively. BP was lower in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD than on the usual and low-antioxidant diets (-8.1±1.5/-7.4±1.6 mm Hg, P<0.05). BP did not change significantly in lean normotensives after 4 weeks on the DASH-CD but tended to rise on the low-antioxidant diet. FRAP on usual diets was higher in lean subjects than in obese subjects. FRAP increased in obese but not lean volunteers on the DASH-CD compared with usual diet, and the group difference disappeared. F2-isoprostanes increased from baseline during intralipid and heparin in both groups on the low-antioxidant diet but not in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD. Among free-living obese hypertensives, the DASH-CD raises antioxidant capacity, lowers BP, and reduces oxidative stress induced by acute hyperlipidemia. The findings are consistent with evidence that elevated BP in obese subjects may reflect an imbalance between antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress that is improved by the DASH-CD.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You may want to look into both Cranberry and Blueberry extracts for their ridiculously high ORAC values. Recent research has shown that oxidative stress, which greatly increases with A.A.S., use, can have an adverse effect on BP and lipid levels. Picking up compounds with potent anti-oxidant activity may offset the balance in your favor, mitigating oxidative-stress dependent pathways of blood pressure control.

As well, adding in simple culinary herbs such as oregano, sage, and thyme may actually have a more potent antioxidant effect than fruits due to their dried nature.

Try it out and see if you can attenuate some of that BP gain.


DASH Diet Lowers Blood Pressure and Lipid-Induced Oxidative Stress in Obesity
Heno F. Lopes; Kelley L. Martin; Khaled Nashar; Jason D. Morrow; Theodore L. Goodfriend; Brent M. Egan

From the Departments of Pharmacology (H.F.L., K.N., B.M.E.) and Medicine (B.M.E.) and the General Clinical Research Center (K.L.M., B.M.E.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston; Unidade de Hipertensão-Heart Institute (InCor), HCFM-USP (H.F.L.), São Paulo, Brazil; Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, Vanderbilt University School of Medicine (J.D.M.), Nashville, Tenn; and Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, University of Wisconsin and William S. Middleton Veterans Hospital (T.L.G.), Madison.

Correspondence to Brent M. Egan, MD, Departments of Medicine and Pharmacology, Medical University of South Carolina, 96 Jonathan Lucas St, CSB 826H, Charleston, SC 29425. E-mail [email protected]

Evidence suggests that obesity may raise blood pressure (BP) through oxidative stress–sensitive mechanisms and that the Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension combination diet (DASH-CD) may decrease BP by enhancing antioxidant capacity. To address this question, 12 obese patients with high-normal–to–stage 1 hypertension (hypertensives) and 12 lean normotensives were studied on their usual diets and after following the DASH-CD and a low-antioxidant diet in random sequence for 4 weeks each. Acute oxidative stress was induced by a 4-hour infusion of intralipid and heparin. Ferric-reducing activity of plasma (FRAP) and plasma F2-isoprostanes were measured as biomarkers of antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress, respectively. BP was lower in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD than on the usual and low-antioxidant diets (-8.1±1.5/-7.4±1.6 mm Hg, P<0.05). BP did not change significantly in lean normotensives after 4 weeks on the DASH-CD but tended to rise on the low-antioxidant diet. FRAP on usual diets was higher in lean subjects than in obese subjects. FRAP increased in obese but not lean volunteers on the DASH-CD compared with usual diet, and the group difference disappeared. F2-isoprostanes increased from baseline during intralipid and heparin in both groups on the low-antioxidant diet but not in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD. Among free-living obese hypertensives, the DASH-CD raises antioxidant capacity, lowers BP, and reduces oxidative stress induced by acute hyperlipidemia. The findings are consistent with evidence that elevated BP in obese subjects may reflect an imbalance between antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress that is improved by the DASH-CD.
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D@mn good post^^ Thanks man. I was going to run some type of anti-oxidant supplement with this garbage cause I know how lipid/liver ect friendly superdrol is but I didn't ;)
The only thing I have been doing in that regard is drinking POM IDK if you have it up there or not but it's a concentrated pomegranate juice (I get the one with Blue berries in it:food:) and taking 2-4grams of vit-c along with the basics: A 2 a day high potency multi, EFAs, hawthorn, sawpalmeto, ect, ect...
PCT comes and I'll defiantly take advantage of that though man, thanks:thumbsup:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You may want to look into both Cranberry and Blueberry extracts for their ridiculously high ORAC values. Recent research has shown that oxidative stress, which greatly increases with A.A.S., use, can have an adverse effect on BP and lipid levels. Picking up compounds with potent anti-oxidant activity may offset the balance in your favor, mitigating oxidative-stress dependent pathways of blood pressure control.

As well, adding in simple culinary herbs such as oregano, sage, and thyme may actually have a more potent antioxidant effect than fruits due to their dried nature.

Try it out and see if you can attenuate some of that BP gain.

DASH Diet Lowers Blood Pressure and Lipid-Induced Oxidative Stress in Obesity
Heno F. Lopes; Kelley L. Martin; Khaled Nashar; Jason D. Morrow; Theodore L. Goodfriend; Brent M. Egan

From the Departments of Pharmacology (H.F.L., K.N., B.M.E.) and Medicine (B.M.E.) and the General Clinical Research Center (K.L.M., B.M.E.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston; Unidade de Hipertensão-Heart Institute (InCor), HCFM-USP (H.F.L.), São Paulo, Brazil; Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, Vanderbilt University School of Medicine (J.D.M.), Nashville, Tenn; and Departments of Pharmacology and Medicine, University of Wisconsin and William S. Middleton Veterans Hospital (T.L.G.), Madison.

Correspondence to Brent M. Egan, MD, Departments of Medicine and Pharmacology, Medical University of South Carolina, 96 Jonathan Lucas St, CSB 826H, Charleston, SC 29425. E-mail [email protected]

Evidence suggests that obesity may raise blood pressure (BP) through oxidative stress–sensitive mechanisms and that the Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension combination diet (DASH-CD) may decrease BP by enhancing antioxidant capacity. To address this question, 12 obese patients with high-normal–to–stage 1 hypertension (hypertensives) and 12 lean normotensives were studied on their usual diets and after following the DASH-CD and a low-antioxidant diet in random sequence for 4 weeks each. Acute oxidative stress was induced by a 4-hour infusion of intralipid and heparin. Ferric-reducing activity of plasma (FRAP) and plasma F2-isoprostanes were measured as biomarkers of antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress, respectively. BP was lower in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD than on the usual and low-antioxidant diets (-8.1±1.5/-7.4±1.6 mm Hg, P<0.05). BP did not change significantly in lean normotensives after 4 weeks on the DASH-CD but tended to rise on the low-antioxidant diet. FRAP on usual diets was higher in lean subjects than in obese subjects. FRAP increased in obese but not lean volunteers on the DASH-CD compared with usual diet, and the group difference disappeared. F2-isoprostanes increased from baseline during intralipid and heparin in both groups on the low-antioxidant diet but not in obese hypertensives on the DASH-CD. Among free-living obese hypertensives, the DASH-CD raises antioxidant capacity, lowers BP, and reduces oxidative stress induced by acute hyperlipidemia. The findings are consistent with evidence that elevated BP in obese subjects may reflect an imbalance between antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress that is improved by the DASH-CD.
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Great Posting man! "you must spread reps around before giving them to mullet again"!
 
TimberLakers said:
Straps hurt me until I started wearing them different. I put the strap around the top of my hand, where it meets the wrist, instead of on the wrist. When they were on my wrist, they dislocated the joint.
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I put the straps on my prick and do curls that way..........
 
Yeah definately losers!!!! Jk , you've all been punked there's cameras everywhere!!! Tricked ya, b*tch. Oh and by the way, no more high BP for BS, that sh*t sucks.
 
dkkon1 said:
Yeah definately losers!!!! Jk , you've all been punked there's cameras everywhere!!! Tricked ya, b*tch. Oh and by the way, no more high BP for BS, that sh*t sucks.
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Well boys today is supposed to be the last day of this cycle and by the way I just worded that you already know WTF I'm thinkin lol....So what say you??
 
BlackSheep said:
Well boys today is supposed to be the last day of this cycle and by the way I just worded that you already know WTF I'm thinkin lol....So what say you??
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I vote that you extend it another week at 10 mg. since that dosage isn't bothering you. The Milk Thistle seems to have calmed the sick feeling you were experiencing earlier. And the BP came back down when you went back to the 10 mg. I say get you 1 more week of growth. You planned this cycle for some time. Get all you can bro!!! :thumbsup:
 
thundergod said:
I vote that you extend it another week at 10 mg. since that dosage isn't bothering you. The Milk Thistle seems to have calmed the sick feeling you were experiencing earlier. And the BP came back down when you went back to the 10 mg. I say get you 1 more week of growth. You planned this cycle for some time. Get all you can bro!!! :thumbsup:
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Aw dog I knew you would vote go! LMAO...luckly I was walkin the rasor already so here we go.....:thumbsup:

I will note that I haven't noticed ANY new weight gains at 10mgs for the last few days. 20mgs seemed to bring it on so maybe I'll try and space it out a bit more and see how that treats me today before I decide to go on. If I can continue to make gains I'll continue for sure but right now I haven't gained sht since I went back down to 10mgs.
Last time I hit 20mgs and had the problem I only took my doses 4.5-5hours apart so maybe that had something to do with it???
 
BlackSheep said:
Aw dog I knew you would vote go! LMAO...luckly I was walkin the rasor already so here we go.....:thumbsup:

I will note that I haven't noticed ANY new weight gains at 10mgs for the last few days. 20mgs seemed to bring it on so maybe I'll try and space it out a bit more and see how that treats me today before I decide to go on. If I can continue to make gains I'll continue for sure but right now I haven't gained sht since I went back down to 10mgs.
Last time I hit 20mgs and had the problem I only took my doses 4.5-5hours apart so maybe that had something to do with it???
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I think if you go back to 20 mg. split it up at least 8 hours apart and take Milk Thistle at a DIFFERENT time of the day. I take mine at night. And if your BP spikes again, just double your Hawthorn Berries. It worked for me on my last cycle. That TRN made mine spike for a few days. I doubled up the HB's and it returned to normal a few days later. I finshed the cycle just fine. Finish this thing strong like the warrior I know you are!!! :head:
 
thundergod said:
I think if you go back to 20 mg. split it up at least 8 hours apart and take Milk Thistle at a DIFFERENT time of the day. I take mine at night. And if your BP spikes again, just double your Hawthorn Berries. It worked for me on my last cycle. That TRN made mine spike for a few days. I doubled up the HB's and it returned to normal a few days later. I finshed the cycle just fine. Finish this thing strong like the warrior I know you are!!! :head:
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Cool thanks for the advise big brother....You know I will:head:
 
BlackSheep said:
Aw dog I knew you would vote go! LMAO...luckly I was walkin the rasor already so here we go.....:thumbsup:

I will note that I haven't noticed ANY new weight gains at 10mgs for the last few days. 20mgs seemed to bring it on so maybe I'll try and space it out a bit more and see how that treats me today before I decide to go on. If I can continue to make gains I'll continue for sure but right now I haven't gained sht since I went back down to 10mgs.
Last time I hit 20mgs and had the problem I only took my doses 4.5-5hours apart so maybe that had something to do with it???
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Charge it brotha... Let's DO THIS! I can't believe you weren't supping milk thistle with the mdrol... no wonder you felt like sh!t! Your liver was crying rape!
 
GMG760 said:
Charge it brotha... Let's DO THIS! I can't believe you weren't supping milk thistle with the mdrol... no wonder you felt like sh!t! Your liver was crying rape!
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Nah, I was since day uno but I was only eating 500mgs of it to keep the gains higher up there. But Fcuk it!!, since I started taking 1,00mgs I feel alot better. Might go up to 2,000mgs if I can get back up to 20mgs of the Drol. But man I'm tellin ya 20mgs is fcuking harsh!!!
 
BlackSheep said:
Nah, I was since day uno but I was only eating 500mgs of it to keep the gains higher up there. But Fcuk it!!, since I started taking 1,00mgs I feel alot better. Might go up to 2,000mgs if I can get back up to 20mgs of the Drol. But man I'm tellin ya 20mgs is fcuking harsh!!!
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SD is fvcking harsh period!Just remember after a little break,it's pinning time!Whens that planned to start?
 
pantera101 said:
SD is fvcking harsh period!Just remember after a little break,it's pinning time!Whens that planned to start?
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I was waiting on your sorry ass!?!?! lol....October right now, that's kind of why I want to stop the SD so I'll have more recovery time. but everyone is telling me to run my pct for 4 weeks already so I figured why the fcuk not?? IDK still kinda on the fence. I would rather do test any day IMO..
 
BlackSheep said:
I was waiting on your sorry ass!?!?! lol....October right now, that's kind of why I want to stop the SD so I'll have more recovery time. but everyone is telling me to run my pct for 4 weeks already so I figured why the fcuk not?? IDK still kinda on the fence. I would rather do test any day IMO..
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Thats why I wanted to end my cycle too,but I still feel good and gains are comming slowly but surely......plus,now I have 9 dbols that need to be thrown into the mix somehow.:think:I wouldn't mind starting mine Nov or Dec.But I'll see how things go.It's going to be insanely tempting to start some test......so maybe after that cycle,I'll get a good long break.
 
Ahh! Everybody's moving on to Test! I feel left out. I'm considering it as well though. But first things first, I just started a havoc cycle, took my first dose this morning. Pantera, what will you be using? Prop?
 
BlackSheep said:
I was waiting on your sorry ass!?!?! lol....October right now, that's kind of why I want to stop the SD so I'll have more recovery time. but everyone is telling me to run my pct for 4 weeks already so I figured why the fcuk not?? IDK still kinda on the fence. I would rather do test any day IMO..
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So you are gonna be running some test in October BS? I thought we were running the Pplex?!... well, i would honestly rather run the test, but I think I need some more experience first. I'm down with an October run though... I think Pplex MMV2 is gonna be the ticket for me! Then maybe a quick Mdrol run in Feb... 2-3 weeks..., then cutting down for the summer with some Hdrol and maybe more epi!!! I'll have pretty much exhausted the rediculous amount of designers (or at least put a dent in them) that I have already purchased, and gain some valuable experience/size and be ready to hit that test... who knows though... knowing me I'll have a needle in my ass by october lmao!
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Ahh! Everybody's moving on to Test! I feel left out. I'm considering it as well though. But first things first, I just started a havoc cycle, took my first dose this morning. Pantera, what will you be using? Prop?
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Yes sir!You gotta pin everyother day,but it seems well worth it to me for a much quicker kick in time,shorter cycle,and for less money.
 
bassgod272 said:
I realized this after reading more, but he should be done IMO. Fvckin around with 150/100 BP is NOT an intelligent thing to do...
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True, and after careful reconsideration for the second time today lol. I have decided to go ahead and make today the last day. I only took 10mgs today and my bp% is still hovering around 140+ish/90+ish so I'm done!! Fcuk these dirty ass compounds IMO. That is with 3 full grams of hawthorn ed plus all the other stapples associated with supporting a knowledgeable run of SD.
I've gained what I wanted more or less and I have some seriously fcuked up stuff going on in my life right now that putting off by extending a steroid cycle isin't going to fix.
I'll give an over view either later today or tomorrow with all the details but I have to agree with bass and get my d1ck out while I can still pee (so to speak lol)...
 
I am reformed now I will take no more roids I will love puppies I love kitties..... I will be a positive role model on AM forever more...... I will no longer misplace my anger..... I am a good subject now, for I hath seem DA LIGHT!!!! Amen......
 

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