Doubt it. They're probably rolling their eyes with the rest of us. The thread inquiring about the pre is days aways from turning two years old.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/272785-blr-pre-workout.html
Well...with regards to the trolls I can post my words, in threads and then 6 months later the exact words in someones ads.
They also have multiple products that are clones of ours. Its not really debatable.
But yes, real R&D takes time.
Take Epicatechin. It took over a year to work everything out. Does it work, how does it work, what to source it from, obtaining a standard, developing an extraction process and standardization process, testing, chemical, physical etc. This is just to get a test sample to use. Its a long process.
Now imagine its a pre with potentially a dozen ingredients. Things get complex. We have multiple branches of things being tested, solo then in concert etc.
99.99999999% of supp brands just call their manufacturer and ask them to formulate for them.
Or they copy someone else and add something in they think makes it look unique.
But the reality is they do 0 R&D really. They invest 0 in testing and trials.
And they just use whatever is readily available.
We dont.
Part of this is because I dont want to sell cookie cutter products.
part of this is because I actually like the process of R&D.
Part of it is because I know that the pre workout products you guys are taking are terrible. And I know I can do much better. I wont stop until Im satisfied that our pre workout product is better than anything else available.
Period.
If it takes me 2 years. fine.
If it takes 10 years. whatever. Its not about making money. Its about making advancements in supplement science and forging new paths.
You know how long it takes to bring a new drug to market?
10 years? +?