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I kind of want to throw my name in the hat but I'd sort of like to know what the product is geared toward to make sure it corresponds to my current goals. Could you give us any short descriptors? I understand you dont want to give too many specifics to try and eliminate placebo but i dont think a one/two word descriptor would do much harm (eg: fat loss, strength/performance, etc). I already update here regularly in my training log and would update training 3-4+x a week and could even try to add in daily nutrition info and pics if desired to gauge any body comp changes.
 
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I'm looking for my first log opportunity but mention of labs has me thinking this would be starting too big. I am very interested in the log of the person who DOES get this, though.
 
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What is your current daily supp intake.
Please be detailed.

Also are you willing to run labs if I pay for them?
Currently taking Flexatril and Nootrol daily. Just finished Radiate / Assass1nate / DCP / Supernova. Taking a 2 week break from everything except Flexatril and Nootrol.

Was planning on starting Radiate again after the two weeks.

No problem on the bloodwork. I get a checkup every July / September, which includes bloodwork. Tell me what you're looking for and I'll just make sure it's on the list
 
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I'm in, haven't been using anything for over a month now, can do labs no problem, let me know whatsup
 
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What is your current daily supp intake.
Please be detailed.

Also are you willing to run labs if I pay for them?

Is lack of sleep effecting training?
Current Supps include:
Modern Protein
FD 2.0
Modern Pre
Modern BCAAs

That's my current list mostly all staples.

I'd be willing to run bloodwork no problem.

Dr. Wants to rule out sleep Apnea but currently I function just fine and current amount of sleep does not hinder my training or lifestyle.
 
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Current Supps include:
Modern Protein
FD 2.0
Modern Pre
Modern BCAAs

That's my current list mostly all staples.

I'd be willing to run bloodwork no problem.

Dr. Wants to rule out sleep Apnea but currently I function just fine and current amount of sleep does not hinder my training or lifestyle.
The only thing is there are ingredients in the MOdern pre which will default the research :(
Its hard these days to find someone who doesnt use these things daily.
 
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The only thing is there are ingredients in the MOdern pre which will default the research :(
Its hard these days to find someone who doesnt use these things daily.
I can understand that. I only get to use PWO on Weds and the weekend being that I get off work so late and too much stim can interfere with my wind down time in the evening. Still dying to see what comes of this new product though!
 
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How about the new anabolic brundel?
Have a sample of the newest addition coming in the mail.
This stuff looks super promising.
Keeping in mind we want a multi ingredient product which means i have to research multiple new chems or extracts. Its no small feat to find an anabolic substance, in nature that nobody else has ever seen.
Im sure you can imagine im not the only person on earth who has tried or is trying so...things like epicatechin, ecklonia, atractylodes...these are fn miracles lol.
I can tell you Im working really hard at this.
I can tell you we are getting close.
I can tell you that itll be epic, new, strong.

This is independent of the other 2 projects.
Pre and the one we are publicly testing currently.
 
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Have a sample of the newest addition coming in the mail.
This stuff looks super promising.
Keeping in mind we want a multi ingredient product which means i have to research multiple new chems or extracts. Its no small feat to find an anabolic substance, in nature that nobody else has ever seen.
Im sure you can imagine im not the only person on earth who has tried or is trying so...things like epicatechin, ecklonia, atractylodes...these are fn miracles lol.
I can tell you Im working really hard at this.
I can tell you we are getting close.
I can tell you that itll be epic, new, strong.

This is independent of the other 2 projects.
Pre and the one we are publicly testing currently.
Sounds great!
If it can hit the heights of FD2 you're on to a winner ?
 
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Have a sample of the newest addition coming in the mail.
This stuff looks super promising.
Keeping in mind we want a multi ingredient product which means i have to research multiple new chems or extracts. Its no small feat to find an anabolic substance, in nature that nobody else has ever seen.
Im sure you can imagine im not the only person on earth who has tried or is trying so...things like epicatechin, ecklonia, atractylodes...these are fn miracles lol.
I can tell you Im working really hard at this.
I can tell you we are getting close.
I can tell you that itll be epic, new, strong.

This is independent of the other 2 projects.
Pre and the one we are publicly testing currently.
Stim free Pre I hope
 
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Stim free Pre I hope
Currently there isnt a stim in the formula.
Doesnt mean there wont be one but the formula is NOT based around stimulants. So a stim free version would be highly effective.
 
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Currently there isnt a stim in the formula.
Doesnt mean there wont be one but the formula is NOT based around stimulants. So a stim free version would be highly effective.
Nice to have performance benefits without stims, because they can sometimes give you false confidence e.g. i have had this with mesomorph and other DMAA based pres a couple of times in which you feel stronger than you actually are and fail on set much earlier e.g. performing only 5-6 reps where you feel like you could get 10.
 
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Have a sample of the newest addition coming in the mail.
This stuff looks super promising.
Keeping in mind we want a multi ingredient product which means i have to research multiple new chems or extracts. Its no small feat to find an anabolic substance, in nature that nobody else has ever seen.
Im sure you can imagine im not the only person on earth who has tried or is trying so...things like epicatechin, ecklonia, atractylodes...these are fn miracles lol.
I can tell you Im working really hard at this.
I can tell you we are getting close.
I can tell you that itll be epic, new, strong.

This is independent of the other 2 projects.
Pre and the one we are publicly testing currently.
How in the world do you start to find a anabolic substance, internet searching?
 
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Have a sample of the newest addition coming in the mail.
This stuff looks super promising.
Keeping in mind we want a multi ingredient product which means i have to research multiple new chems or extracts. Its no small feat to find an anabolic substance, in nature that nobody else has ever seen.
Im sure you can imagine im not the only person on earth who has tried or is trying so...things like epicatechin, ecklonia, atractylodes...these are fn miracles lol.
I can tell you Im working really hard at this.
I can tell you we are getting close.
I can tell you that itll be epic, new, strong.

This is independent of the other 2 projects.
Pre and the one we are publicly testing currently.
Would this new anabolic be stackable with Follidrone 2.0?
 
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Currently there isnt a stim in the formula.
Doesnt mean there wont be one but the formula is NOT based around stimulants. So a stim free version would be highly effective.
Man your really trying to knock this one out of the park huh!

Nice to have performance benefits without stims, because they can sometimes give you false confidence e.g. i have had this with mesomorph and other DMAA based pres a couple of times in which you feel stronger than you actually are and fail on set much earlier e.g. performing only 5-6 reps where you feel like you could get 10.
I know exactly what you mean here! All the energy in the world doesnt mean crap if you lose focus and start letting reality slip by a bit. I dont see how theres so many near max serving stimulants out there. Glad BLR is looking into better avenues!
 
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Currently there isnt a stim in the formula.
Doesnt mean there wont be one but the formula is NOT based around stimulants. So a stim free version would be highly effective.
Brundel please provide us some updates. its been a while..
 
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Brundel please provide us some updates. its been a while..
Currently running labs on one of the new products.
Currently we have BCAAs in production. Just testing flavors and the products will run.
A handful of more mainstream products are coming soon.

And the pre is just about ready.
 
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Currently running labs on one of the new products.
Currently we have BCAAs in production. Just testing flavors and the products will run.
A handful of more mainstream products are coming soon.

And the pre is just about ready.
Whats the latest dude? Ready by Olympia? Seems OL are about release a BCAA soon also, some competition..
 

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Got lots of money for you Brundel - just need the good lol....
 
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Got lots of money for you Brundel - just need the good lol....
I think w.e that mad scientist is cooking will be more than the "Good"
 
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Prob wont have BCAAs by the olympia. The issue is vegan BCAAs taste worse than pretty much anything I have ever tasted. Not sure how we are going to get around it yet. Not really into selling something I know I cant tolerate myself. So, we need a viable workaround.
Working on it.

Making some interesting headway with the PRE. I dont want to say anything because certain companies basically troll my posts looking for their next product. Or..like literally read my posts and copy the text as their ad copy or our intended product names for their products. Its an FN disgrace. But it happens.
 
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What about the new anabolic?
 

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Making some interesting headway with the PRE. I dont want to say anything because certain companies basically troll my posts looking for their next product. Or..like literally read my posts and copy the text as their ad copy or our intended product names for their products. Its an FN disgrace. But it happens.
Doubt it. They're probably rolling their eyes with the rest of us. The thread inquiring about the pre is days aways from turning two years old.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/272785-blr-pre-workout.html
 
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What about the new anabolic?
2 of the ingredients we were testing failed miserably so I canned them. This happens alot.
This is why it takes a long time to get products to market for us.
This is why our products work so well though. We dont just say we extensively test products. We really do.
And when ingredients fail to exhibit any noticeable effects, we toss them out.

There is one that we are in final stages. Labs.
It works and works very well.
No sides we have seen.
Just running labs now to make sure nothing nasty is happening on the inside ;)
Otherwise we should be ready to work on production within 30-60 days.
This stuff is .....like a mix between something you would use in a pre and something you would use solo. Im trying to decide how to utilize it.
But youll likely get your hands on it soon.
We have several forum members already running it ;)
 
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Doubt it. They're probably rolling their eyes with the rest of us. The thread inquiring about the pre is days aways from turning two years old.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/272785-blr-pre-workout.html
Well...with regards to the trolls I can post my words, in threads and then 6 months later the exact words in someones ads.
They also have multiple products that are clones of ours. Its not really debatable.

But yes, real R&D takes time.
Take Epicatechin. It took over a year to work everything out. Does it work, how does it work, what to source it from, obtaining a standard, developing an extraction process and standardization process, testing, chemical, physical etc. This is just to get a test sample to use. Its a long process.
Now imagine its a pre with potentially a dozen ingredients. Things get complex. We have multiple branches of things being tested, solo then in concert etc.

99.99999999% of supp brands just call their manufacturer and ask them to formulate for them.
Or they copy someone else and add something in they think makes it look unique.
But the reality is they do 0 R&D really. They invest 0 in testing and trials.
And they just use whatever is readily available.

We dont.

Part of this is because I dont want to sell cookie cutter products.
part of this is because I actually like the process of R&D.
Part of it is because I know that the pre workout products you guys are taking are terrible. And I know I can do much better. I wont stop until Im satisfied that our pre workout product is better than anything else available.
Period.

If it takes me 2 years. fine.
If it takes 10 years. whatever. Its not about making money. Its about making advancements in supplement science and forging new paths.

You know how long it takes to bring a new drug to market?
10 years? +?
 
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we are also working on some apparel.
Going to start with some tanks and tshirts.
I have a few questions for you guys. I might start a dedicated thread for this.

What size Tank do you wear?

Of these options which 2 do you like?

Im currently working on other options besides logos. Open to suggestions.

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Hey, is that logo old or a new thing? Pretty badass.
 

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3 and 4 are my favorites

(Medium centered logo in front with "Black lion research" on back)
 
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XL, and I love that 4th design.
 
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#3 they are all pretty cool.
or smaller logo on the front and larger logo on the back.
 
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XL and i like the one with the centered logo front and "black lion research" vertical on back.
 
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Large-Xtra Large on size. I have a wide lat spread but dont like parachute like fitting shirts.

I like the small logo on the front with company name and possible Full Throttle on the back neck and the Large logo on the back.
 
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An please keep the opinions coming.
Im gonna print some tanks within the next week or so.
Black with one of these prints.
Also we are going to do wife beaters. I have one on right now. They are friggin awesome. Not super cheap for a ribbed wife beater but they are so nice.

You guys interested in the beaters?
 
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An please keep the opinions coming.
Im gonna print some tanks within the next week or so.
Black with one of these prints.
Also we are going to do wife beaters. I have one on right now. They are friggin awesome. Not super cheap for a ribbed wife beater but they are so nice.

You guys interested in the beaters?
Just call me Ray Rice
 
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Dope tanks
 
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Design 3 i find to be best, would it be possible for more of a stringer style tank top to reveal more of back?
 

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Those tanks are sick. Fan of the logo and vertical full throttle personally.
 
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Hoping the t-shirts are not that heavy cotton Gildan crap. A 60% 40% blend or tri-blend. Something soft and form fitting.
 
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Design 3 i find to be best, would it be possible for more of a stringer style tank top to reveal more of back?
Anything is possible really. The thing is I think most people dont want stringers. Most guys dont have the back to wear them.
Well ask everyone what they think but Im pretty certain tanks over stringers. Over time we can offer both but for now we are only going to run 1-2 designs.


For anyone else in this thread.

Normal tank vs stringer. Which would you prefer?
 
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Those tanks are sick. Fan of the logo and vertical full throttle personally.
Me too. The full throttle would need the logo with text above so we still have the brand name visible but Im a fan of the full throttle design.
And thanks, we have plans to do some cool stuff.
 
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Hoping the t-shirts are not that heavy cotton Gildan crap. A 60% 40% blend or tri-blend. Something soft and form fitting.
Nope, I have an old BLR shirt printed on those exact shirts. They are like 4 years old and still stiff as a board. Its insane.
These are really great quality shirts. Nice and soft. Form fitted but not too thin in the mid section. I ordered dozens of sample shirts before I settled on these 2.
 
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we are also working on some apparel.
Going to start with some tanks and tshirts.
I have a few questions for you guys. I might start a dedicated thread for this.

What size Tank do you wear?

Of these options which 2 do you like?

Im currently working on other options besides logos. Open to suggestions.

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Awesome Freaking Shirts! I'm also a V-neck guy, and V-neck sleeveless. maybe later on you can incorp those, and I really like
#1 The Back Design with #3 Front would be Cool also #3 Front and back
 
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I vote for a tank over a stringer. I have the back I just personally dont like them at all.
 
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My opinion is definitely the big logo #1, or small logo on one pec #2 for the front. The midsize logo on the front reminds me too much like a super-hero t-shirt look. As far as the back, #2 without question. The lettering just doesn't do it for me..

I think it would help to have the model be a little more muscular, masculine, and mature looking too..

Anyway, just being constructively critical. They are all quite sharp!

(I am hoping he was not a family member or close friend)
 

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