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I hear what you guys are saying and I agree.
I can tell you that our pre is different. My goal isnt to impress noobs with the amount of stimulants I can pack into the product. So far it doesnt have a stimulant in the formula. It likely will be the point is this is FAR from the base of the product.
And my goal isnt to have 900 ingredients at 3% of the required doses just so there are alot of ingredients.
And Im not using the ingredients most people use. No creatine or arginine or citrulline or beta a. If you want those buy em in bulk and add em yourself.
VASTLY less expensive and makes more sense. This is a performance enhancement product. Pure and simple.
When you start taking the product you can see if you tracked it that your performance will improve. Strength, endurance, vo2max.
This is going to be the real deal.
 
brundel said:
I hear what you guys are saying and I agree.
I can tell you that our pre is different. My goal isnt to impress noobs with the amount of stimulants I can pack into the product. So far it doesnt have a stimulant in the formula. It likely will be the point is this is FAR from the base of the product.
And my goal isnt to have 900 ingredients at 3% of the required doses just so there are alot of ingredients.
And Im not using the ingredients most people use. No creatine or arginine or citrulline or beta a. If you want those buy em in bulk and add em yourself.
VASTLY less expensive and makes more sense. This is a performance enhancement product. Pure and simple.
When you start taking the product you can see if you tracked it that your performance will improve. Strength, endurance, vo2max.
This is going to be the real deal.
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Now your talking! Last time a company attempted this it was a total flop and I was quite disappointed. Hoping to see something stellar here!
 
brundel said:
I fully agree. Unfortunately the market is saturated with mostly garbage but here is one of the issues for someone looking to make a really solid fat burner. Most of the products are just tons of stims or have a few of all the same cheap ingredients. and stims are cheap.This then makes it so most fat burners are relatively inexpensive. Looks great on the outside but the products mostly suck. So say I decided to make a really solid fat burner.
To be competitive and sell product Id have to have the price also be competitive. Most people dont know the difference with regards to ingredients really or they are a little informed but they really look at cost and retailers look at how much they make per sale. So I can make the best fat burner on earth and unless I basically lose money on it it wont sell. And even then it wont sell well.
We had incinderine which was decent enough and it was dead last sales wise and It was close to 0$ profit per bottle because the ingredients are expensive at full doses.

I have a plan to make a powdered fat burning stim. Its just on the back burner because only a handful of people actually want it vs something like VECTOR which everyone wants. Gotta pick my battles.
Trust me on this you would rather have our pre come out that a fat burner. ;) The pre is exceptional.
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I completely understand what you are saying...

Guess we won’t mind building muscle and losing fat at the same time as opposed to just fat loss
 
Ive been waiting for a pre dedicated towards performance for so damn long! I hope you stay true to that Brundel.
 
jswain34 said:
Ive been waiting for a pre dedicated towards performance for so damn long! I hope you stay true to that Brundel.
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brundel doesn’t disappoint in the products he creates! Hence the extra long wait as each ingredient is tested for efficacy.
 
brundel said:
I hear what you guys are saying and I agree.
I can tell you that our pre is different. My goal isnt to impress noobs with the amount of stimulants I can pack into the product. So far it doesnt have a stimulant in the formula. It likely will be the point is this is FAR from the base of the product.
And my goal isnt to have 900 ingredients at 3% of the required doses just so there are alot of ingredients.
And Im not using the ingredients most people use. No creatine or arginine or citrulline or beta a. If you want those buy em in bulk and add em yourself.
VASTLY less expensive and makes more sense. This is a performance enhancement product. Pure and simple.
When you start taking the product you can see if you tracked it that your performance will improve. Strength, endurance, vo2max.
This is going to be the real deal.
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i dont know if you have already tested vaso6 by yourself but i can HIGHLY recommend putting it in, or at least something similar. especially if there arent any classic pump enhancer. just my 2 cents

i just really hope to see it in all pre workouts/pump supplements in the future =)

very curious about the upcoming vector write up as well
 
jgntyce said:
brundel doesn’t disappoint in the products he creates! Hence the extra long wait as each ingredient is tested for efficacy.
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True, He has to control himself not to bring a promising product to market until all the multiple tests and trials are complete.
 
iamyourfather said:
i dont know if you have already tested vaso6 by yourself but i can HIGHLY recommend putting it in, or at least something similar. especially if there arent any classic pump enhancer. just my 2 cents

i just really hope to see it in all pre workouts/pump supplements in the future =)

very curious about the upcoming vector write up as well
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Currently taking Ep1logue and think that urolithin B has its place in the supplement world I'm not sold on vaso6.
First week the pumps were great then every training session since the pump was negligible, not a fan unfortunately ️
 
jgntyce said:
brundel doesn’t disappoint in the products he creates! Hence the extra long wait as each ingredient is tested for efficacy.
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I wasn't saying he'd create an ineffective product, I was saying i hope that stays the main goal of the pre.
 
brundel said:
I hear what you guys are saying and I agree.
I can tell you that our pre is different. My goal isnt to impress noobs with the amount of stimulants I can pack into the product. So far it doesnt have a stimulant in the formula. It likely will be the point is this is FAR from the base of the product.
And my goal isnt to have 900 ingredients at 3% of the required doses just so there are alot of ingredients.
And Im not using the ingredients most people use. No creatine or arginine or citrulline or beta a. If you want those buy em in bulk and add em yourself.
VASTLY less expensive and makes more sense. This is a performance enhancement product. Pure and simple.
When you start taking the product you can see if you tracked it that your performance will improve. Strength, endurance, vo2max.
This is going to be the real deal.
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Does this mean I could add yours to my current PWO
 
jt75 said:
Currently taking Ep1logue and think that urolithin B has its place in the supplement world I'm not sold on vaso6.
First week the pumps were great then every training session since the pump was negligible, not a fan unfortunately ️
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I am honestly not all that sold on Uro B. quite yet. I was searching for more information awhile ago but I swear I couldnt actually get straight answers without bickering to save my life so I opted to leave it alone all together. Vaso6 will be just as seasonal as anything else. If Vector is taking a place as F.D.2.0 has then it could be around untouched for quite some time. Im more than excited to see this hit the market!
 
iamyourfather said:
i dont know if you have already tested vaso6 by yourself but i can HIGHLY recommend putting it in, or at least something similar. especially if there arent any classic pump enhancer. just my 2 cents

i just really hope to see it in all pre workouts/pump supplements in the future =)

very curious about the upcoming vector write up as well
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Meh.....
Ive got something cooked up ;)
 
Dukethumper said:
Does this mean I could add yours to my current PWO
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Im saying you wont ever want to use another pre again.
You might want to use things like creatine but your better off buying a kilo of it for cheap and just scooping it into the mix. Can buy stuff like that from bulk supp places online for super cheap.
 
Any idea on what the stim situation will be for this pre? Idk if you've already talked about it brundel I just haven't had time to read the whole thread ��
 
King_Gainz said:
Any idea on what the stim situation will be for this pre? Idk if you've already talked about it brundel I just haven't had time to read the whole thread í*½í¸•
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I think it was mainly caffeine as far as the stim blend. Which I totally like. 300-350mg of caffeine is perfect as my only stim. The pump endurance blend will be where it’s at.
 
We will have some stims because 99% of users like stims.
Buts its not a stim based product.
So far we havnt even tested it with a stim.
 
Really hoping the PWO will be a game changer. It’s literally the only thing stopping BLR from taking over the world.
 
brundel said:
We will have some stims because 99% of users like stims.
Buts its not a stim based product.
So far we havnt even tested it with a stim.
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Really low stim or no stim option please. Stopped using stims a while back like a lot of folks, but would still like to enjoy the product.
 
bigsmall said:
Really low stim or no stim option please. Stopped using stims a while back like a lot of folks, but would still like to enjoy the product.
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The Express 42 said:
Hoping caffeine dose is low or left out
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Think he mentioned that it won't be heavy on the stims, but will have stims included. 95% percent of PWO drinkers use it for the stim boost. The question though is if a non stim version will be offered.
 
I'm debating still.
We have not tested Any of the pre with stims yet and it's a beast.
1. Stim
Or
2. No stim but we will also release a powdered stimulant that can be added.
This way you can use the pre with or without and you can use the stims with or without the pre ingredients. Like first thing in the morning. Or late nights, or studying.
 
brundel said:
I'm debating still.
We have not tested Any of the pre with stims yet and it's a beast.
1. Stim
Or
2. No stim but we will also release a powdered stimulant that can be added.
This way you can use the pre with or without and you can use the stims with or without the pre ingredients. Like first thing in the morning. Or late nights, or studying.
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Will the stims be new to the market?
 
brundel said:
I'm debating still.
We have not tested Any of the pre with stims yet and it's a beast.
1. Stim
Or
2. No stim but we will also release a powdered stimulant that can be added.
This way you can use the pre with or without and you can use the stims with or without the pre ingredients. Like first thing in the morning. Or late nights, or studying.
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Non stim and release the stim separately sounds like a great idea


How many people add stims to non stim
Anyway and then you get the people who work out late or are on a stim break

I’m currently using mega pre and love it
 
brundel said:
I'm debating still.
We have not tested Any of the pre with stims yet and it's a beast.
1. Stim
Or
2. No stim but we will also release a powdered stimulant that can be added.
This way you can use the pre with or without and you can use the stims with or without the pre ingredients. Like first thing in the morning. Or late nights, or studying.
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Does that last mean it has non-stim focus effects?
 
brundel said:
I'm debating still.
We have not tested Any of the pre with stims yet and it's a beast.
1. Stim
Or
2. No stim but we will also release a powdered stimulant that can be added.
This way you can use the pre with or without and you can use the stims with or without the pre ingredients. Like first thing in the morning. Or late nights, or studying.
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I personally think that is a hell of an Idea! this would be perfect for me. I get to the gym when I can.
Late night no stim, Weekends STIM!
 
Studhorse said:
I personally think that is a hell of an Idea! this would be perfect for me. I get to the gym when I can.
Late night no stim, Weekends STIM!
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I agree with this. I have no problem just adding my own stims, because for the most part I just like to stick to caffeine and steer clear of these newer stims. I just dont need them (or like them). I was never in the group that had to get completely stimmed out of my mind to get a workout in so maybe im in the minority that prefers just plain ole caffeine.
 
Yeah, I completely switched to non stim pres and add stims as desired. Much better approach, in particular since many stim products cannot be double scooped, etc. because of their stims.
 
primolift00 said:
Any updates? BLR needs to have a PRE on the market!

Also how is the vegan protein coming?
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The pre is an ever evolving beast. We keep testing ingredients. I dont want to release anything less than the best pre. Period.
The goal is sometime in the summer.

Currently we have VEgan BCAAs with HICA and electrolytes. Great stuff.
Amino infusion.
Its got a strong flavor profile so its perfect to add a big scoop to like a half gallon of water for the gym etc.
 
I can vouch for the Vegan BCAAs with HICA and electrolytes. Top notch stuff! Already been through 2 tubs! Great to drink during workouts and before bed.
 
brundel said:
The pre is an ever evolving beast. We keep testing ingredients. I dont want to release anything less than the best pre. Period.
The goal is sometime in the summer.

Currently we have VEgan BCAAs with HICA and electrolytes. Great stuff.
Amino infusion.
Its got a strong flavor profile so its perfect to add a big scoop to like a half gallon of water for the gym etc.
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Thank you for the response, I have tried amino infusion and like it, but would be much more excited for a Vegan protein powder. All of the ones that I have tried on the market are IMO terrible. If BLR can formulate one that tastes great, that would be a complete game changer. I typically only but whey (mostly ghost) or blends (pes Select) but would like to have a vegan option at hand that I could also regularly use.
 
primolift00 said:
Thank you for the response, I have tried amino infusion and like it, but would be much more excited for a Vegan protein powder. All of the ones that I have tried on the market are IMO terrible. If BLR can formulate one that tastes great, that would be a complete game changer. I typically only but whey (mostly ghost) or blends (pes Select) but would like to have a vegan option at hand that I could also regularly use.
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They are Vegan.. and taste great. :)
 
A few updates for you guys.=
On top of working to streamline our retail branch we have been hard at work on some new products.
1. Formeron. EU/AU release very close. NO USA version.
2. Incinderine. Our fat burner which was discontinued for reformulation. We are getting close to a re release with a new formula. This stuff is exceptional.
3. New USA transdermal. This one is area51 for now but I can tell you when you see it youll be very excited.
4. Pre. 60 -90 days.
5. a new anabolic in phase 2 of 4 testing. So far so good. Looks like this one does bind to androgen receptors. Interesting stuff.

The goal is to get these all out before 2019.

Products 2-5 are in various trial stages in the US.
We will be looking for volunteers for final stage testers for all of these products. Email signups will be sent out over the next month or so.
For those of you guys who want to get involved and get your hands on some free BLR test products head over to our contact page and make sure your signed up for the newsletter.
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brundel said:
A few updates for you guys.=
On top of working to streamline our retail branch we have been hard at work on some new products.
1. Formeron. EU/AU release very close. NO USA version.
2. Incinderine. Our fat burner which was discontinued for reformulation. We are getting close to a re release with a new formula. This stuff is exceptional.
3. New USA transdermal. This one is area51 for now but I can tell you when you see it youll be very excited.
4. Pre. 60 -90 days.
5. a new anabolic in phase 2 of 4 testing. So far so good. Looks like this one does bind to androgen receptors. Interesting stuff.

The goal is to get these all out before 2019.

Products 2-5 are in various trial stages in the US.
We will be looking for volunteers for final stage testers for all of these products. Email signups will be sent out over the next month or so.
For those of you guys who want to get involved and get your hands on some free BLR test products head over to our contact page and make sure your signed up for the newsletter.
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Vector version 2? For thoose of us who had stomach-digestion issues(the ****s)
 
00A said:
Vector version 2? For thoose of us who had stomach-digestion issues(the ****s)
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Vector gave me the hot poops the first time I ran it, but then I got a deal so good I couldn't turn it down on another tub, and I didn't have any problems on the second run. Could be coincidence, maybe I had a stomach bug and didn't know the first time, but it might be worth giving Vector another go.
 
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