TexasLifter89
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is that standing barbell rows? I am impressed. thats a **** ton of weight...or course im weak as well when it comes to standing barbell rows & bent over rows
BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER: Snag's Recipe for a [NATURAL] Recomp, Competition Style!
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Steveoph
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There's a $1 off coupon that I've printed probably 100 copies off for Frozen Fruits & Vegetables. I get 600g of this great Stir Fry Mix Invalid Link Removed (Zen Garden is #1) for $1, or Frozen Fruits for ~$3. Makes for great stir fry's!
The coupon expires Dec 31st though, and I pray that there is the same coupon for 2009 because it has saved me $100 easily.
THe coupon is Invalid Link Removed incase you can use it.
snagency
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Just got back from shopping and I run into your coupon.. :frustrate
Don't think I've seen that particular brand before, where do you usually get it? I've been getting Freshlike & BirdsEye brands (which I guess now are one in the same company, musta merged recently)..
I did pick up some Ezekiel 4:9 Golden Flax sprouted whole grain cereal tho, stuff looks awesome, should fit right into my breakfast plans..
Don't think I've seen that particular brand before, where do you usually get it? I've been getting Freshlike & BirdsEye brands (which I guess now are one in the same company, musta merged recently)..
I did pick up some Ezekiel 4:9 Golden Flax sprouted whole grain cereal tho, stuff looks awesome, should fit right into my breakfast plans..
snagency
Banned
Bent rows, guess I should've clarified that. This has always been one of my two big weak points (legs, specifically hammies, being the other), but I've worked hard over the last year to bring up the strength/size in these areas.
snagency
Banned
Thanks bro. Symmetry is golden! I'm still a bit unbalanced in places imo, esp. in my legs now (having favored one side over the other during the last few months training thru my knee/calf issues), but I'm always working to correct flaws. Appreciate that comment!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah the symmetry is strong, and good proportions too. I was particularly impressed with the chest development.
snagency
Banned
Thanks fellas! DW - for sure, I've always felt my chest was my best/most easily developed bodypart, followed closely by shoulders. Not that I haven't had to work at these; it just seems that comparatively speaking, I've had to bust @ss to get any kind of development in my legs & back. Calves have always been decent for some reason..
Having kind of a weird meal here, but I had to switch some things around to accommodate the wife's homemade chili for my next meal, sooo..
Got into the wife's protein shelf and made a shake with 1 scoop MuscleMilk C&C, 1 scoop ON Gold Standard Whey (Rocky Road flav), and the usual 1/2 cup ff cottage cheese. Also had a 4oz. salad w/ cherry tomatoes & my balsamic/olive oil vinaigrette mix. Kind of an odd mix (shake & salad).. the shake was hella flavorful tho, nice change from the all-vanilla mix I usually consume. Might have to utilize this shake combo more often (if the wife doesn't beat me down with a broom first for getting into her protein stash!)
Having kind of a weird meal here, but I had to switch some things around to accommodate the wife's homemade chili for my next meal, sooo..
Got into the wife's protein shelf and made a shake with 1 scoop MuscleMilk C&C, 1 scoop ON Gold Standard Whey (Rocky Road flav), and the usual 1/2 cup ff cottage cheese. Also had a 4oz. salad w/ cherry tomatoes & my balsamic/olive oil vinaigrette mix. Kind of an odd mix (shake & salad).. the shake was hella flavorful tho, nice change from the all-vanilla mix I usually consume. Might have to utilize this shake combo more often (if the wife doesn't beat me down with a broom first for getting into her protein stash!)
snagency
Banned
I get that a lot. Weight was holding at 193 upon rising this morning. Guess since I'm so short I look thicker..
snagency
Banned
Aha, I see now it's at WalMart.. I'll check it out, thanx for the tip.
thundergod
Well-known member
I was thinking the same thing. Lean muscle always looks bigger than soft flabby mass. Plus, snagency is 5'9....so that's part of it. He looks really huge to just weigh 193.
I'm 6'3" so I've got a long tall frame to try and fill out. I still think I look kinda skinny in a way. I've peeled of 40+ pounds of blubber in the last 16 months. Now I have the arduous task of trying to replace it with lean muscle!
Force of Green
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Yeah Snag, pictures are looking nuts. I am jealous of your chest development man. And the back mass is insane!
DaveGabe24
Well-known member
Lookin solid Snag...keep up the hard work.
What's the future goals/plans for ya?
What's the future goals/plans for ya?
dragonfly
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OH well, if we REALLY have to, just don't make us wait too long ! Invalid Link Removed
Can't but agree with everyone else. Great mass & great symmetry Snag Invalid Link Removed
AK32408
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I drink green tea like it's my job lol. The log, pics, and diet are lookin real good so far ! keep it up man :thumbsup:
DreamWeaver
Legend
Chest is a good place to have good genetics, along with shoulders. Overworked shoulders always cause problems (I know by experience).
Yah T.G. his proportions are like my ex-trainers who is 5' 8" and competes at 173 of the leanest hardest muscle I've ever seen on a natural. Like Snag he has a great chest but snag has him on shoulders. I would have to see contest pics to make more comparisons. Off season though he looks a lot like snag does now so I think they would be very similar. Both have really good symmetry.
Yah T.G. his proportions are like my ex-trainers who is 5' 8" and competes at 173 of the leanest hardest muscle I've ever seen on a natural. Like Snag he has a great chest but snag has him on shoulders. I would have to see contest pics to make more comparisons. Off season though he looks a lot like snag does now so I think they would be very similar. Both have really good symmetry.
snagency
Banned
..'just' huh? We can't all be 250lb. beasts TG! 8~O
Y'know, I have no aspirations to be Cutler-esque, or anything near it. #1, I won't do the juice/hgh required for such size, and my genetics - while good - are not that good. These guys are on another genetic level, even without the help. #2, anytime I approach 210 lbs. I lose flexibility, and since I do other things besides bb'ing (like tennis and hoops), I don't dig that at all. My goal for years now has been to be in the 200lb. range, at ~5%. If I ever get there & maintain that, I'll be an extremely happy camper!
TG - you've done an awesome job getting to your current physique. I know what you mean about feeling 'skinny' tho.. and just wait till we get you down to/below 8% my man, you'll feel even skinnier! Turn sideways to see yourself in the mirror & you'll disappear! HAHAHAAAA! :lol: Okay just kidding.. but, you'll also feel more powerfull and God-like, sinewy, lean & MEAN brother! And even tho you might feel skinnier, I guarantee you other ppl will think you look bigger. Something about chiseled & defined muscle just makes a bigger image imo.
TimberLakers
Well-known member
Leaner people definitely look bigger...
Snags, if you can get to 200 and maintain 5% BF, that would be absolutely incredible. You would look like a total monster. Personally, I don't think I can maintain that lean of a physique year round. The only time you'll see me dip below 8 to 9% is for a fight - I just can't grow when I'm that lean - and I find it hard to maintain for a long period of time.
Snags, if you can get to 200 and maintain 5% BF, that would be absolutely incredible. You would look like a total monster. Personally, I don't think I can maintain that lean of a physique year round. The only time you'll see me dip below 8 to 9% is for a fight - I just can't grow when I'm that lean - and I find it hard to maintain for a long period of time.
snagency
Banned
Thanx DG! Currently, I have no goals other than doing this log justice & sharing my philosophies.. long-term goal is 200lb. bw range at ~5% bf, like I explained above. I'm contemplating whether I want to do any shows in 2009.. I might just retire from competition, dunno yet. I kinda always wanted my pro card, but that goal has really taken on less importance at this time in my life. I train now for aesthetics.. and therapeutic stress relief.. it's just my lifestyle.
VolcomX311
Legend
Yeah TG, 250lbs and respectably lean is fricken huge. If push came to shove, I could probably hit 250lbs, but clinically obese. I don't see my frame getting larger then 225lbs LBM, ever. The last time I was 230lbs I felt like the State Puff Marshmellow Man.
And Snag, you too. You both defy time in your physiques. Guys like Thomas and Irish are pretty top notch in the fitness realm of their age group, but as we progress in years, simply being lean puts you at the top, but being lean and muscular makes you quite elite.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Damn you look better the way your are Natural looks better. Bodybuilding just got stupid, used to be fine to look like a Greek God (Or Norse) but then everybody wanted to see comic book characters on stage.
snagency
Banned
Agreed bro, that is tough to maintain. I maintained 5-6% bf for a couple yrs. running, living a ketogenic lifestyle, but I sure didn't gain any mass during that time, and my bw was in the 175-180 range the whole time. That's my challenge I guess - figure out a way to do it
DreamWeaver
Legend
No your body type you need the carbs and I think you have to maintain around 8-10% off season to gain mass. I am just going by what I saw with my partner. My body type is a total different story.
snagency
Banned
:goodpost: Nice read DW, very nice.. you are correct. This is why I first became attracted to USP products last year, specifically AP. Something that would allow me to grow, which we all know is carbs. I painstakingly avoided 'em for about 4 years. AP changed my whole outlook on dietary intake/carb usage. Only problem for me is image -- I don't like to get up to that 10% range for too long, but I absolutely agree with you that this would, for me, be the correct composition for optimal growth periods. Stubbornly tho, I try to find a way to grow while maintaining lower bf%..
snagency
Banned
Thank you Sir! Like Andre Agassi says.. "Image is Everything!" And I like my image when I'm lean! And yeah, something about battling Father Time.. I'm not really old by any means, but it's cool to stay ahead of that slowed metabolism/muscle-loss curve that the average guy hits in their mid-30's. I do take pride in that, make no bones about it!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Well you have good proportion like I siad, so minimal slow gains are all your really require. More like fine tuning. I find it the same for me in losing fat which is my cross to bear. I do so much better when I lose slow.
TimberLakers
Well-known member
I've been going much heavier on the carbs lately - and just loving it. Keeping 90% of those in the complex category... Very little if any BF increase - but just a ton of growth potential and energy...
I'll probably do a nice dip to 7% or so next summer for a trip with the girlfriend - something like that should only take a couple weeks... Gotta keep the girls honest. :lol:
It is a challenge indeed - I'm just enjoying growing... But maintenence isn't far off timewise.
snagency
Banned
Thanx dude. Hey I dig your sig quote; but are you serious? :think: Ah man, now you've gone & shattered my illusions.. First Christian Boeving, and now Jay.. isn't there any MT product I can take to get big & strong like these guys? Cuz their ads tell me so..
TimberLakers
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Look at Volcom talking like he's 50... You might not be 7%BF, but you're still one of the strongest guys I know... You have to play with the cards you're dealt - you definitely do my man.
TimberLakers
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Thanx dude. Hey I dig your sig quote; but are you serious? :think: Ah man, now you've gone & shattered my illusions.. First Christian Boeving, and now Jay.. isn't there any MT product I can take to get big & strong like these guys? Cuz their ads tell me so..
Dude, don't you read magazines? :fool2:
Cell-Tech Hardcore!! :woohoo:
snagency
Banned
Shoot, that must be what I'm missing then..
snagency
Banned
Dude's strong as an ox for sure. And the man knows his physiological stuff.. :study:
AK32408
IBE/PHF Rep
Thanx dude. Hey I dig your sig quote; but are you serious? :think: Ah man, now you've gone & shattered my illusions.. First Christian Boeving, and now Jay.. isn't there any MT product I can take to get big & strong like these guys? Cuz their ads tell me so..
The only stuff I know of that's stronger then MuscleTech products is Muscle Asylum Project supplements. YouTube some of their ad's and be prepared to laugh, er.. I mean be amazed !
thundergod
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You better know that I didn't mean "just 193" in a condescending or negative sense at all. I can only dream of looking as good as you currently do! And I'm not a 250 lb. beast now!! I'm only a 241 lb. wanna be as of this morning!! ha ha ha
I feel much more athletic and energetic at this lighter bodyweight. And I do know that I look bigger and better than when I weighed 260 lbs. 9 months ago.
I'm feeling great this morning. I'm back on track. My goals are clear. My path is chosen. I will not be denied!! :bb3:
thundergod
Well-known member
Right on Timber!! Volcom is a strong mo-fo fo sho!! And he is definitely not fat. He's just being overly-modest. He's such a nice guy. :thumbsup:
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Good discussion in here!
snagency
Banned
Nah, no negativity taken whatsoever there big guy.
Great to hear you're over that virus.. and of this I have no doubt. Your thirst for knowledge & your tunnel-vision focus are non-paralleled. You can accomplish pretty much whatever you want with that mentality TG.. inpirational stuff bro!
snagency
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OH well, if we REALLY have to, just don't make us wait too long ! Invalid Link Removed
Can't but agree with everyone else. Great mass & great symmetry Snag Invalid Link Removed
Hey I missed this.. gracios D-Fly! And nice emoticons as usual.. you brighten any thread!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Damn straight... I have never seen a negative post from T.G. and even if there is negative in it he puts a positive spin on it. That's what winners do...Kudos to all you guys for keeping things positive, stick with the winners my pop used to say...
thundergod
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A question for snagency and Mullet: I'm new to the whole "slin" experience. But I'm liking it already. The Anabolic Pump is treating me nicely. Very nicely.
The question: I have a couple of bottles of LG's SLIN in stash. I'm going to do an "anabolic" cycle after this recomp. Is it effective to use these type products during a AAS/PS cycle, or should I save them for PCT? :think:
The question: I have a couple of bottles of LG's SLIN in stash. I'm going to do an "anabolic" cycle after this recomp. Is it effective to use these type products during a AAS/PS cycle, or should I save them for PCT? :think:
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
I would use them Post Cycle, if only because of Anabolic Pump's powerfull ability to mitigate the production and accumulation of plasma triglycerides and LDL cholesterol! This is an additive, welcome effect in regards to a Post Cycle environment! In fact, this is a primary mechanism through which Anabolic Pump induces lasting, physiological changes [if one responds to it]: The increased phosphorylation of AMPk changes the body's oxidative substrate from glucose to lipids [primarily FFAs], which necessarily increases the amount of FFAs oxidized as fuel, and increase the glucose which may be subsequently synthesized to glycogen. In this respect, the claim that Anabolic Pump may assist one to lose fat and 'gain muscle' [very broad definition that I myself steer away from] is not outlandish conjecture, but rather clinically displayed. In trials with Berberine, whole-body Insulin sensitivity is always displayed [through additive mechanisms of AMPk action {glycolysis and the mitigation of plasma triglycerides and FFAs}] with an adjunct decrease in total adiposity!
In fact, and in my opinion, Berberine stands alone in this regard - particularly the protoberberine compounds thereof which are responsible for much of its physiological action! These actions are why Anabolic Pump may be of a particular benefit to low-carb/ketogenic style diets!
That really did not answer your question but, meh.
In fact, and in my opinion, Berberine stands alone in this regard - particularly the protoberberine compounds thereof which are responsible for much of its physiological action! These actions are why Anabolic Pump may be of a particular benefit to low-carb/ketogenic style diets!
That really did not answer your question but, meh.
thundergod
Well-known member
Yes it did!! I will save them for PCT. Makes perfect sense to me. And it was my first instinct. My dad always said, "Go with your gut." Mad props for the incredible info Mr. Mullet!! :clap2:
snagency
Banned
I totally agree with this concept.. AP is so damn versatile.
This specific statement I've hi-lited tho, was gonna PM you about this but let's put it in the thread. Because I've been on the products (both AP & Pslin) pretty much continuously for the duration that I have, and since I'm pondering my 'final approach' dietary-wise at the end of this program (i.e. lowering carbs).. would it be wise if I pulled these outta my arsenal for the final 2 weeks, and just roll into a keto diet w/ an every 3rd day last-meal carb-up? I've got my dietary format pretty much intellectually thought out to those final 2 weeks, and I will continue to use both AP/Pslin because of the utilization of carbs involved thruout that time. However, you've got me thinking that I am definitely due for a break from these products, and the sooner the better (i.e., how helpful will AP be to the targeted mechanism in this timeframe, if I have become desensitized to it?)..
DaveGabe24
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Nice nice, would be quite the achievement grabbing that pro card..but I can easily understand how things seem to change on the list of priorities as we grow older
snagency
Banned
Day #4 MIIT/Abs
So no HIIT this morning.. more like medium-intensity intervals. Have I said that I don't care for most cardio? Tried something a bit different this morning, got on the wife's new treadmill, ran the first 20 minutes utilizing the incline grades & slight pace increments, just playing around & checking things out, just medium effort mostly. Was enough to break a good sweat tho! Finished with a steady-state pace for 15 minutes after that. Preceeded this with abs, 200 reps from 4 various movements, 45-sec. rests between each set.
Treadmill's aren't for me. Nice unit and all, just too monotonous for my taste. I'd rather be out biking, or swimming, or even sprinting.
Just to clarify my stance on cardio - don't want to give the impression I think this is a useless endeavor. Cardio is important on a number of levels, for sure. I do think that it is overdone a lot in bb'ing circles, and if you're not careful you can chew into your muscle stores. At least I have in the past..
Speaking of dietary issues: I have implemented the 2750 cal mark as of today. I really didn't want to drop this quickly, but in planning for a few side dishes New Years Eve, I figured I might as well get down there now. Macros will take on roughly a 45/35/20 C/P/F split, so figure 300g carbs, 250g protein daily..
2nd meal of the day today was 1 whole egg+3 whites (scrambled), 1 can albacore tuna w/ some salsa, 1 cup broccoli, and 1 piece Ezekiel bread. The Ezekiel cereal I picked up yesterday was pretty tasty, had that in my breakfast..
So no HIIT this morning.. more like medium-intensity intervals. Have I said that I don't care for most cardio? Tried something a bit different this morning, got on the wife's new treadmill, ran the first 20 minutes utilizing the incline grades & slight pace increments, just playing around & checking things out, just medium effort mostly. Was enough to break a good sweat tho! Finished with a steady-state pace for 15 minutes after that. Preceeded this with abs, 200 reps from 4 various movements, 45-sec. rests between each set.
Treadmill's aren't for me. Nice unit and all, just too monotonous for my taste. I'd rather be out biking, or swimming, or even sprinting.
Just to clarify my stance on cardio - don't want to give the impression I think this is a useless endeavor. Cardio is important on a number of levels, for sure. I do think that it is overdone a lot in bb'ing circles, and if you're not careful you can chew into your muscle stores. At least I have in the past..
Speaking of dietary issues: I have implemented the 2750 cal mark as of today. I really didn't want to drop this quickly, but in planning for a few side dishes New Years Eve, I figured I might as well get down there now. Macros will take on roughly a 45/35/20 C/P/F split, so figure 300g carbs, 250g protein daily..
2nd meal of the day today was 1 whole egg+3 whites (scrambled), 1 can albacore tuna w/ some salsa, 1 cup broccoli, and 1 piece Ezekiel bread. The Ezekiel cereal I picked up yesterday was pretty tasty, had that in my breakfast..
Force of Green
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Force of Green
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Reps for your variety of sports and athletics. You remind me of Bo Jackson. Dur ain't nuffin Bo dozin know!
snagency
Banned
Well that was entertaining.. I don't really like how my role played out there at the end too much, and my character was DEF a bit on the thin side.. musta been me when I was like 12 or something (true factoid: I didn't break 100lbs. or 5' tall until I was 12).
Thanx for that FOGism there FOG.. :blink: