BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER: Snag's Recipe for a [NATURAL] Recomp, Competition Style!

russianstar said:
Thanks very much, i had a feeling it might be the berberine, as i could taste it very strongly, what i have decided to do is purchase one more bottle to give it a try, as you and a few others rate it very highly, i say a few, just meaning the guys im friendly with here, they all speak of it very highly, so i will see, and just hope i dont get those effects again.
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I don't know, I would suggest not taking it, RR. If you have experienced the peristalsis prior to this, you are most likely predisposed. Berberine upsets the microbial balance in the small intestine, and causes a chain reaction. Now, normally, this is a beneficial thing; it is used in TCM [traditional chinese medicine] to combat diarrhea, nausea and so on. However, in your case, it is not beneficial.

If you do decide to use it, invest in a strong probiotic complex and double dose 15 minutes prior to dosing AP.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I don't know, I would suggest not taking it, RR. If you have experienced the peristalsis prior to this, you are most likely predisposed. Berberine upsets the microbial balance in the small intestine, and causes a chain reaction. Now, normally, this is a beneficial thing; it is used in TCM [traditional chinese medicine] to combat diarrhea, nausea and so on. However, in your case, it is not beneficial.

If you do decide to use it, invest in a strong probiotic complex and double dose 15 minutes prior to dosing AP.
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I have that german blend ordered, and i cant for the life of me remember the name..its a pro-biotic blend, that is supposed to have tremendous positive effects on the immune system, plus pretty promising anti-inflammatry effects too.
Thanks for your help, i just hope it works, its a supp that i want to use.
 
russianstar said:
I have that german blend ordered, and i cant for the life of me remember the name..its a pro-biotic blend, that is supposed to have tremendous positive effects on the immune system, plus pretty promising anti-inflammatry effects too.
Thanks for your help, i just hope it works, its a supp that i want to use.
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I sympathize most definitely, RR. Though some do not see immediate effects from Anabolic Pump, when it works it can literally alter the way you eat [for the better]. However, I do not feel ethical suggesting something to you which has caused you to vomit previously!
 
russianstar said:
What annoys me, is i so want to use anabolic pump, a year ago i bought to bottles, i was half way through the first one, and i got bad flu, so i had to stop, then when i restarted i got the most terrible bad stomach, not naseau, but terrible pains, vomitting, sweating, and increased heart rate, i took it 3 times, and each time was worse than the time before, the only explanation is that once opened, do the capsules degrade, or cause the ingredients to degrade? Its a shame, i gave the other bottle to my brother who liked it and bought more, do you have any theories mullet?
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I was unable to take Anabolic Pump as well. But for whatever reason I do well on P-Slin. Perhaps you should try that instead. I used all mine or I would add it in my contest regimine I liked it that much!
 
When I first started competing, there were some big & really good shows to jump in around my area, and my 'guru' at the time was an NPC veteran, so it's just what I went with.
 
Crader beat me to it...what is the difference between AP and P-slin?
 
I meant as far as AP causing intestinal problems and P-slin possibly not.
 
Berberine, as I was telling RR, is the culprit in that respect. It is also what differentiates the two in terms of MOA: P-Slin being [almost] exclusively a glucose diverter, and AP having a greater [and more complex] effect on energy systems as a whole. They share the Banaba Extract as a common ingredient.
 
mullet I forgot to tell you. I am going to have you set up a full out run for me of Pslin, Anabolic pump, and Prime. I have bulk pslin & 1.5 boxes, 1 prime, and 1.5 anabolic Pump. This time with your protocol as well as to maximize it. This will be coming in a few months though :D
 
Welcome aboard JJ..

Okay, rolling out a quick recipe for eggrolls:

1/2 lb. immitation lobster
1/2 lb. peeled and deveined shrimp, diced
2 cups bean sprouts
3 tablespoons oil (I prefer peanut oil)
8 green onions, finely chopped
1 8-ounce can water chestnuts, finely chopped
1 8-ounce can bamboo shoots, finely chopped
4 slices fresh ginger, minced
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons soy sauce
2 teaspoons sherry


1 egg, lightly beaten
1 package egg roll wrappers
Oil for deep frying


Prep: Note: The filling portion of this egg roll recipe should be made ahead of time and cooled completely before assembling the egg rolls.



Rinse the bean sprouts in a colander under cold running water and set aside to drain.


Heat 2 tablespoons of oil in a wok or large pot. Add lobster and stir fry for about a minute. Add shrimp and stir fry for another minute. Remove from the wok.


Pour the remaining tablespoon of oil into the wok. When hot, add the ginger root, green onions, bamboo shoots, and water chestnuts. Stir fry for 1 minute, then return the lobster and shrimp to the wok.


Add salt, soy sauce, sherry, and bean sprouts. Heat through and steam for a minute or two with the lid on, until the bean sprouts become transparent. Cool the entire mixture in a colander.

Assembling the Egg Rolls:

When cooled, place a heaping spoonful of the meat mixture in the center of an egg roll wrapper. Pull one corner up over the filling, fold in the sides, burrito style, and roll tightly. Seal with a dab of the beaten egg. Repeat with the remaining wrappers and filling.


Deep fry in 3 inches of very hot oil until golden brown on both sides. (They cook very quickly.) Drain on paper towels.


Cut each egg roll in half crosswise and arrange on a platter. Serve warm, with homemade plum sauce . (Or you can find plum sauce in the Asian section of any well-stocked market.)

Makes about 20 egg rolls, 40 hors d'oeuvres.



I cheated a little bit and found this online, as I don't have my own recipe written down, it's just something I do. Time constraints force me to take the quick route here.. but, this is close to what I do. To simplify this a bit, you can take out the water chestnuts & bamboo shoots and just use cole slaw & couple stalks of chopped celery (this is what I do). I like throwing in a tad of garlic in my mix; also, I use peanut oil for my saute/stir fry mix.

Now you can bake these, pan fry them, or deep fry them - baking is the healthiest method, but the shell can get kind of leathery & chewy if you're not careful. Deep frying is simple (and no doubt the tastiest method), if you have a deep fryer. Pan fry is pretty easy too, then you can use peanut oil here as well (I doubt you'd want to use peanut oil for your deep frying, could get expensive)..
 
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Tornado Storm Damage Report to come..

Pics from this morning (haven't shaved the legs yet)..
 

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Looking large and in charge there big snagency!! Awesome wheels....even with the carpet covering!! I can't laugh....mine are even hairier. I've been telling my wife I'm only 3 weeks away from taking new photos. It's time for her to down me and shave off all of this sasquatch-looking follicle forest that covers the beautiful landscape of Thunder-navia!! :lol:

And I've got to start applying that nasty sunless tanning lotion again. I'll look like an orange on steroids!!

How do you tan? Tanning bed? :think:
 
So I have to ask, not being familiar with your training. How did you get to be as large and lean as you are? I know you said this was a natty log. but were you always?

I have 8 weeks to get my body ready to work the Arnold and I could use all the tips you have..lol.

Diet is in place.
 
crader said:
So I have to ask, not being familiar with your training. How did you get to be as large and lean as you are? I know you said this was a natty log. but were you always?

I have 8 weeks to get my body ready to work the Arnold and I could use all the tips you have..lol.

Diet is in place.
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Have you seen what this guy eats?! Everything is so tasty, he's never had to cheat on his diet in his life!
 
The onion is getting peeled, lean and full Snags!!
 
crader said:
So I have to ask, not being familiar with your training. How did you get to be as large and lean as you are? I know you said this was a natty log. but were you always?

I have 8 weeks to get my body ready to work the Arnold and I could use all the tips you have..lol.

Diet is in place.
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Like I mentioned he is close to my ex-trainer in body type and how he did it was year after year of absolute dedication. Near perfect diet for 15-20 years. He was an ecto so he had to eat a lot. He doesn't look like an ecto any more but still has those tendancies. There are some things that work for different people but nothing replaces the day to day...year in and year out ... slow and steady pace of being completely dedicated to what your doing. This is an effort I have never been able to duplicate for more than a couple years at a time. That's the secret folks steadfastness and hard work.
 
Guys, I've been smashed busy in GNC here this morning, haven't had chance to respond..

DW, you are very insightful.. if there's one thing I attribute my development to - you hit the nail on the head. Consistency over a lengthy period of time, absolutely. Nice read..

Because of this, I can do pretty quick turnarounds on recomp, pretty much at will.

I'll respond more as I can thru the day.. cannot wait to tell you all about my training this morning, absolutely phenomenal session -- I even impressed myself! :bb3:
 
Steve do you know much about this...

Bromocriptine (Parlodel) is classified as a dopamine agonist drug that lowers prolactin levels. Primarily used in Parkinson's disease patients to lower high prolactin level. Bromocriptine was soon discovered to be of great use in many medical conditions as well as off label uses.

Elevation of dopamine levels may lead to a marked increase in sex drive, improvement in mood, alertness, learning ability and creativity. Known off-label uses for dopaminergic drugs such as Bromocriptine include sex drive enhancement and increased ejaculation volume, mood elevation, appetite suppression and fat loss.

In genetically obese rats, bromocriptine normalizes metabolism and there are many good reasons to think it will do the same in humans. Bromocriptine has use during dieting (to minimize the negative adaptations), muscle gain when very lean, and may be beneficial post-steroid cycle. It may also be useful for diabetes treatment and may have pro-sexual effects.

Bromocriptine is one of those drugs that the life-extention crowd were very big on a few years ago. It is an anti-parkinsons medication which causes higher levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine, with side effects being an increased sex drive, possible curbing of appetite, possible stimulation of CNS, and fat loss. It?s also indicated for some forms of male hypogonadism (yeah, so it may increase test levels on its own!). However, what we?re interested in here is that it can be used to lower prolactin and progesterone.

Bromocriptine has a half-life of roughly 12-14 hours, and dosing is 2.5-5 mg/day taken in the morning.

Another interesting clinical study administered a component of tobacco called DMBA to rats at a level where it is known to be very effective in producing breast cancer. However, rats that had been pretreated with Bromocriptine completely avoided any cancer development. Bromocriptine therefore appears to also offer itself as a very potent free radical quencher.

One of the most recent studies indicates that Bromocriptine may be a candidate for the treatment of Type-2 diabetes. This is because Bromocriptine has been shown to suppress lipogenesis and improve glucose tolerance and insulin resistance.

One animal study suggested that a further action of Bromocriptine is to alter CNS (central nervous system), regulating metabolism and as such, has another important use in helping to prevent weight gain, (this would be in addition to its improvement of diabetic conditions).

I hear it releases gh, and has been used to help lower cholesterol too, my brother has offered me quite a bit as he has a load of this stuff, i wonder if you could let me know your opinion.
 
Russian - I am not versed in Bromocriptine, others in this thread (Mullet?) may be able to offer more feedback than I, but yes, I have heard of its use in combating prolactin successfully, good results in the anecdotal feedback I've heard. I did not know the extensiveness of the compound tho, wow..
 
Okay, so today's training was off the freaking chain.. increased strength and endurance in every single set. Truly phenomenal. A lead-off comparison from last week's same session:

Last week:
205xmax reps (18-30 reps) {24}
275xmax reps (10-15 reps) {9}
295xmax reps (3-5 reps) {4}
225xmax reps (15-25 reps) {14}
185xmax reps (whatever ya got) {15}

Today:
205xmax reps (18-30 reps) {25}
275xmax reps (10-15 reps) {11}
295xmax reps (3-5 reps) {5} -- almost went for 6 here, but with no spotter didn't want to push it
225xmax reps (15-25 reps) {15}
185xmax reps (whatever ya got) {18}

Like I said, it just continued from there -- I felt unfreakingbelievable. Endurance was so much improved, I was actually shocked, didn't expect that kind of kick till at least next week's session.
There's a lot of synergy going on in my chosen supplementation, and I think the Diesel Test is impacting my strength along with the Prime; but this 'extra gear' I am kicking into at multiple points thru the session today, I will attribute to Prime - simply because I experienced the exact same thing when I beta-tested the product last comp prep in February. The alpha-male feeling I had this morning (and even right now as I type this) is the same thing I experienced as well. LOVING IT!!!

One thing I will attribute to the Diesel Test -- I've developed some slight skin blemishes recently (which doesn't happen to me), a bit of acne on the back of my neck. This is listed as a possible side of the product.. seems like a no-brainer to me to blame this..

All parameters of training were kept consistent; same rest, same exercises - with one exception: I swapped the standing laterals out for plate raises, using 25/35/45lb. plates for my sets at same rep range as laterals. I love the plate raises, and the advantage over DB front raises are you can vary your grip on the plate, from straight on the sides to sliding your hands upward & inward to hit different muscle tissue.
 
Your lactic acid threshold is great. That is alot of reps with some heavy weight. Props Snag!
 
thundergod said:
Looking large and in charge there big snagency!! Awesome wheels....even with the carpet covering!! I can't laugh....mine are even hairier. I've been telling my wife I'm only 3 weeks away from taking new photos. It's time for her to down me and shave off all of this sasquatch-looking follicle forest that covers the beautiful landscape of Thunder-navia!! :lol:

And I've got to start applying that nasty sunless tanning lotion again. I'll look like an orange on steroids!!

How do you tan? Tanning bed? :think:
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Gracios my beastly brother! Yeah, hair sucks man. Wish I had Thomas' hairless genes sometimes.. :lol:

I don't do sunless tanning. Me & the wife buy yearly tanning packages. It's so soothing in the winter, I love it!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Damn you really don't look like you have that far to go, your quite lean.
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I'm not there yet my man. Still lacking some veins & some serious striations -- I'm going all out here, won't be satisfied till my striations have striations on top of themselves!
 
crader said:
So I have to ask, not being familiar with your training. How did you get to be as large and lean as you are? I know you said this was a natty log. but were you always?

I have 8 weeks to get my body ready to work the Arnold and I could use all the tips you have..lol.

Diet is in place.
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Well, there should be all kinds of good stuff in here to help you along your way C! ;)

As for the natty issue -- I am (and have been for the last couple yrs.) as natty as they come. Regrettably however, I have used PH on 2 occasions in the past, and (unknowingly at the time) what I have since learned are AAS (original Halodrol 50 and Havoc), on 2 other occasions back when they first came out. All of this occurred between 2004-2006. So 4 bottles combined. Other than that, I have never used anything illegal or injectable or elsewise (..well, other than GHB.. but that's another issue..)

Let me add: do I think these products had any significant impact on my development? No. Long-term, definitely not. Short-term, as I used them at the height of my ketogenic dietary lifestyle, I did notice increased metabolism, hardening, and vascularity, and strength. But any actual and permanent muscle gains?? I will not attribute any development I have today to those products..
 
They didn't have cameras back when I started man.. :rolleyes:
I'm old!

Nah, just kidding.. 2004 is when I began NPC events.
 
That is an area that I have started pushing to improve.
 
Classic IC! :toofunny: Jack of all trades, ahaa!

Competitions at one point soothed my competitive soul. I find other ways to compete within myself these days, keep that hunger fulfilled and the edge off.

Don't wanna come off as a 'win-at-all-costs' type mentality or anything, cuz I'm not like that at all.. but I've always enjoyed a challenge.
 
snagency said:
Okay, so today's training was off the freaking chain.. increased strength and endurance in every single set. Truly phenomenal.

All parameters of training were kept consistent; same rest, same exercises - with one exception: I swapped the standing laterals out for plate raises, using 25/35/45lb. plates for my sets at same rep range as laterals. I love the plate raises, and the advantage over DB front raises are you can vary your grip on the plate, from straight on the sides to sliding your hands upward & inward to hit different muscle tissue.
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Congrats on a monstrous workout snagency!! :clap2: I know you feel like you've just came through an intense battle and emerged victorious. Now it's time for you to bask in the power and the glory! :head:

I'm going to have to try some plate raises. Never tried 'em before. I just always use either a bar with both hands or one-handed DB or cable front raises. And I have the perfect plates for it. I have the "spoked" plates. So I can grab it easily from different angles around the plate. I'll try 'em on for size next delt workout. :thumbsup:

Keep killin' it up in here broughham!!:duel:
 
Man, that was a long day.. 11 hrs. at GNC gets tiresome. Glad I don't do that too often.

Okay, here's a pic from my first comp, 2004 NPC Midwest Open. It was a pro-qualifier, so there was a large turnout. I competed in 2 divisions, the Novice (3rd place, 14 competitors) and the Open (5th place, 16 competitors). I always seem to pick the hard shows.. The dude who won my class in the Open won the overall - he looked like a miniature Lee Haney..

I had to crop this pic to make it fit the 800x800 allowable site format; it's an old pic, and I'm not computer-savvy enough to know how to resize pics. So that's why my head & trophy are cut off.
 

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thundergod said:
Congrats on a monstrous workout snagency!! :clap2: I know you feel like you've just came through an intense battle and emerged victorious. Now it's time for you to bask in the power and the glory! :head:

I'm going to have to try some plate raises. Never tried 'em before. I just always use either a bar with both hands or one-handed DB or cable front raises. And I have the perfect plates for it. I have the "spoked" plates. So I can grab it easily from different angles around the plate. I'll try 'em on for size next delt workout. :thumbsup:

Keep killin' it up in here broughham!!:duel:
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THUNDER!! :aargh: Much appreciation for the feedback! YESSS.. felt incredibly powerfull & victorious this morning!

I hope you like the plate raises. Since I workout in my garage, I have to be creative in some of my exercises, and that has been a staple of mine for awhile now. I don't have the plates with the holes like you, mine are solid, but it's still easily doable! Let me know what you think big guy!
 
Steveoph said:
... Makes you wonder what he's hiding on the top of his head ;) Keep up the good work getting comp ready :thumbsup:
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Thanx Steve! Yeah, I look pretty silly there huh? Well my head was shaved, so there wasn't anything hiding, for sure! I think I looked older then than I do now, haha.
 
And here's a pic after a bottle of Halodrol..

That whole scene pissed me off. At the time, I wasn't knowledgeable on the whole designer steroid thing, just went by the Gaspari advertising of 'the newest, best prohormone' available.. I was pretty bummed when I found out what that compound really was. Might seem pretty obvious these days (and with the chemical knowledge I've gained since then it makes me feel like an idiot), but back then I didn't know better.. ah well, it is what it is..
 

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Had to crop the hell outta that pic to get it to fit, man that sux..

Anyway, in the first comp pic I weighed 167. In the second pic, I weighed @176. So here's the challenge now: I'm out to get (..wait for it fellas..) BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER than days of old, in NATURAL fashion. I told you, I like a challenge. My goal here is to get lean & dry this time around, drier than I've ever been. And at an all-time heaviest weight. And the strongest I've ever been.

The Storm rages on!! BRING IT!!! :bb3:
 
so how did you get around the epistane and Halodrol if you were competing in NPC natural competitions? You just waited for the metabolites to leave? Sorry if I am bugging you with these questions.
 
My first events were not natty shows. NPC ban list was slightly different back then. My first show, when I was natty, it was quite obvious that I was competing against some juiced guys. This was a non-tested show..

By comparison, the 2008 event I competed in, the Natural Ohio, was a drug-tested event. Top 3 in each class were piss-tested; I placed 3rd. I think the guidelines were 1 yr. drug-free. In any event, it was 2 yrs. since I had last used a PH by that time.

I really don't want the thread to go this direction. I'm trying to 'get smarter' here, not talk about my own stupidity.
 
Which brings me to this..

In all my years of training & dieting, I'll tell you what I believe my biggest bodybuilding accomplishment is to date:

Towards the end of 2007, I had some personal strife going on, and fell into some very bad habits. Eating garbage; drinking some alcohol (among other things); I have the tendency to do things all out, and depression/partying/self-destructiveness is no different. My energies can be negative if I'm not running a tight ship, feeling sorry for myself..

Anyway, I had gotten to my worst physical shape of my adult lifetime, by far, in the span of 3 months. It was time to snap out of it. Enter my foray into AP & the whole USP line, what is now known as the all-natural 'Asteroid Stack'..

I went from my worst all-time shape, to what I consider my best overall shape, symmetry/size/muscle fullness-wise, in 10 weeks & 3 days..
 

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