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thats fine, if you convert someone that does not add to truth but rather their moments looking for help, guidance reason, etc. It does not further secure there being a god.
Im sorry, i do think i had overlooked to mentioning your faith.
I must say though, until you give me an answer from your side about the questions and until you mention what aspects of evolution you find impossible or history of the earth, i must assume your depth of knowledge is minute. Physics concepts can be understood hearing definitions but you are not in full understanding or you would not be where you are. most likely be in a top tier university or reasearch facility.
 
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Ok, sooo either you're saying adma and eve are wierd because they just appeared...or, you too don't believe in evolution and the fact we came from ancestoral beings that were extremely primative.
Why leave out everything else?

This is a general statement, not direct to choc. milk, do the religious followers believe sperm is human? Where does the sould begin? I have always wondered how you gained a defining line on that.
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I never mentioned anything about evolution or the origin of the human species. I believe in science... and I do believe in some form of "intelligence" out there.

I was simply stating that being human, and experiencing what it's like to be human, is a very odd experience. There is nothing like living inside your head. I mean, you have to admit we are a very special organism. If nature could create us human beings, and create our perception of the world (the way we see the world) with order, logic, reason, science etc etc. then nature must have some intelligence intertwined within itself to be able to create "the human perception" of the world. Because the human perception is such an odd thing... enough for me to think there is something behind it.
 
That to me is more learned what you are trying to explain. Why things work as they do or organize them. Like when an animal builds a nest, a spider spins a web and such. It's because along he line they learned to make something effective through trials. Monkeys have learned to organize shapes, cards and blocks. I think it's more logical development.
I think i'm either missing your point or you may need to explain a bit better.
There are many that share your style of believ also, having a higher power start and place the first few organisms and then evolution came from there. I'm not much a fan of this believe either but i understand.
As i said and have heard others say throughout life, to me it's difficult to think there was one man who *poofed* it into existence while for "you" it's difficult to think millions of years ago we all started frmo essentially nothing.
 
MentalTwitch said:
That to me is more learned what you are trying to explain. Why things work as they do or organize them. Like when an animal builds a nest, a spider spins a web and such. It's because along he line they learned to make something effective through trials. Monkeys have learned to organize shapes, cards and blocks. I think it's more logical development.
I think i'm either missing your point or you may need to explain a bit better.
There are many that share your style of believ also, having a higher power start and place the first few organisms and then evolution came from there. I'm not much a fan of this believe either but i understand.
As i said and have heard others say throughout life, to me it's difficult to think there was one man who *poofed* it into existence while for "you" it's difficult to think millions of years ago we all started frmo essentially nothing.
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That's not my belief at all lol. I am a man of science. Simple structure organisms arouse from the development of proteins through the course of time. There was no divine intervention. Evolution is real. I believe that.

My point is, that you agree there is logical development among organisms. Now where a human stands on the development scale is a 10, and every other creature is at a 1 lol.

Humans are the reason I believe in "intelligence" out there or a "God." We look and study our universe hoping to find some proof for God but the fact that we ARE looking and capable of even studying the universe is the proof for me of God. The fact that we are so advanced and capable of this marvelous stuff is too weird. An idiot can learn to weave a spider web over time, an idiot can learn to distinguish blocks over time, but an idiot will NEVER make it to the moon. We are weirder, and more mysterious than black and white holes.
 
chocolatemilk said:
That's not my belief at all lol. I am a man of science. Simple structure organisms arouse from the development of proteins through the course of time. There was no divine intervention. Evolution is real. I believe that.

My point is, that you agree there is logical development among organisms. Now where a human stands on the development scale is a 10, and every other creature is at a 1 lol.

Humans are the reason I believe in "intelligence" out there or a "God." We look and study our universe hoping to find some proof for God but the fact that we ARE looking and capable of even studying the universe is the proof for me of God. The fact that we are so advanced and capable of this marvelous stuff is too weird. An idiot can learn to weave a spider web over time, an idiot can learn to distinguish blocks over time, but an idiot will NEVER make it to the moon. We are weirder, and more mysterious than black and white holes.
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Jumped in real quick, mental I will be giving you a full anwser. I have a habit of just shooting off quick rapid non-thought out anwsers out of emotions, and some members on here know me well for that. Maturing is the darndest thing :bigok: So I will answer in full, but I wanted to touch on this post.

I agree with chocolate, and this is something I use to justify my faith in God. look at the human body. Our cell mechanism, our neural net, our cardiovascular system, or cognitive capabilities, our ingenuity, our very structure of layering of multiple levels of tissue of different purposes and each filled with many sub structures and organs all designed to make a grand machine, a masterpiece even in the least of men.

To believe such a thing is an accident, is fallible. Science itself should bring about an estimable equation by math that should show the improbability of this happening is within the range known scientifically as "impossible". I forget what it is, but science has set a standard # (a quite large one) that when the "chance" of something ever occurring hits that number its declared "scientifically" impossible, not completely, just scientifically. Since science is by nature, being developed by man, is flawed like its creators.

Take a moment to actually look at the structure of the human body, and try to imagine a single celled organism somehow, in 5 billion years, developing into this....even with a study of how DNA can alter, and replicate, any alterations to the human genetic code(aka, mutations) are only negative and breed weaker humans. Therefore an evolutionary future for man is nigh impossible, the chance of a string of DNA mutations to create a single "benefit" are so tiny it may never occur, and even if it does it will counter balance that benefit with weaknesses. I firmly believe in advanced adaptation. A cat can change over time within its own species, but a cat can never evolve into a dog...

On a side note, I am trying to find the # referred to as logically impossible as I mentioned, but its been a few years since I did a study on that. Though I have found a link to a site posting research saying that it is now mathematically impossible to pay off the national debt lol.
 
Heres whats confusing me...

chocolatemilk said:
That's not my belief at all lol. I am a man of science. Simple structure organisms arouse from the development of proteins through the course of time. There was no divine intervention. Evolution is real. I believe that.
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Ok, so your on the evolution bus....

My point is, that you agree there is logical development among organisms. Now where a human stands on the development scale is a 10, and every other creature is at a 1 lol.
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This i never said, nor did i mean to insist upon it. Many MANY organisms went through more physical changes than humans. I said simply on a mental develpmental scale. Instead of having wings to develope we ended up with brains that more readily yo be advanced due to simple chemical make-up...best i can do as an example at the moment. I'm not sure where that assumed scale comes in.

Humans are the reason I believe in "intelligence" out there or a "God."
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So now you take the religious side? You now believe in a god...and evolution though?

We look and study our universe hoping to find some proof for God but the fact that we ARE looking and capable of even studying the universe is the proof for me of God.
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Still with god...but im'm not sure whos studying the universe looking for god? Are you saying you assume god is there and we are looking for his begining?

The fact that we are so advanced and capable of this marvelous stuff is too weird. An idiot can learn to weave a spider web over time, an idiot can learn to distinguish blocks over time, but an idiot will NEVER make it to the moon. We are weirder, and more mysterious than black and white holes.
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Well and idiot could...what classifies an "idiot?" Someone could master the human body, physiology of it, drugs used in it, movement of it and never know a thing about space travel, the universe, physics of time and space...kind of see my point? Also that's simply evolution or natural selection. Having the logic and common sense to not jump off a builing tethered or not is simply a brain structure and chemical make up. Taht my friend is evolution at work.
I feel foolish for maybe not understanding something that is more plain than i'm making it out to be...sorry if thats the case.
 
I do believe you people have hijacked my thread. big time. find somewhere else to argue religion. Disrespect in its purest form. Because the topic of the thread has been thrown out the window, I'm out. There is a place to have discussions like this. its called church. Keep it out of my ears.
 
wilsmash4food said:
I do believe you people have hijacked my thread. big time. find somewhere else to argue religion. Disrespect in its purest form. Because the topic of the thread has been thrown out the window, I'm out. There is a place to have discussions like this. its called church. Keep it out of my ears.
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In all honesty, it is not IN your ears. You can simply avoid the topic by not reading it with your eyes. But I agree, it did alter the course of the thread and should be taken to a new one.
 
wilsmash4food said:
I do believe you people have hijacked my thread. big time. find somewhere else to argue religion. Disrespect in its purest form. Because the topic of the thread has been thrown out the window, I'm out. There is a place to have discussions like this. its called church. Keep it out of my ears.
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I just realized we jacked your thread, oops.
Don't be so afraid of simple conversation. Seems as though this talk really offends you, theres no reason it should.

EDIT: You did get good answers at the begining though. Always assume you're being watched, never give out personal info if you do and get caught it's your own fault. I get those Pm's sometimes too, i hit delete. I am guessing they are an agency or dumb and lazy new people.
 
You should of seen what zero did to my "what do you believe thread" yea zero I said it lol. Who cares bro it happens no need to make us feel like we killed your dog for it.
 
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