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Best Thermogenic on the market.

DreamWeaver said:
Oh there you go 3 Dexiprine ed would be 600 3,3 and 300 3,5 ...
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Your heart would explode that dose. 1, I repeat, 1 is plenty. You want more, add in TT-33.
 
I think I remember one called Synthetrex or something like that. It had ephedrine in it & made me sweat like a monster. That was back around 2000. I also liked C-2 from USP Labs.
 
I forgot to mention Forged Burner which I really enjoyed also. Has a really nice line up of ingredients and worked really well. I am a HUGE fan of Forskholi or Forslean which is why ReCreate tops my list of diet pills when it comes to non stimulant dieting. Burner has the best of both worlds with just enough stim that 1 give nice energy and 2 at a time give plenty of energy and gets me nice and warm.
 
I am a huge fan of at2 and shift. Never stacked them with OEP, but I imagine the results with proper diet would be phenomenal
 
I haven't used many since the ephedra days and tend to just drink green/oolong tea, but Redline and Redline Extreme pills and drinks seem to give me a pretty good push through plateaus. Especially since some stores are trying to get rid of leftover regular Redline and you can usually talk them down in price;)
 
You know.. i hate to say it.. but the Nutrex Lipo 6 Black Ultra Concentrated worked pretty well for me for about 2 weeks, which was impressive due to my heavy stim usage. I have yet to try the OEP+SHIFT stack but i have some on the way and am looking foward to trying them.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
If I had the money I would run:

OEP + Recreate (solid stim combo)
Shift (3,3)
DCP + Heat (everything else you may want for thermo effects)

8 weeks:

Upon Waking: 2 OEP + 1 Recreate + 1-2 Shift + 1 Heat + 3 DCP
Afternoon: 1 OEP +2 Recreate + 1 shift + 1 Heat + 3 DCP
Evening(or pre-lift): 1 Shift + 1 Heat + 3 DCP
Pre-Bed: 1 shift+1-2 DCP
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AMazing. I might do a log on this.
 
Hmm, Im afraid Ill be little help here, but Ill throw mine in. This spring I been going kinda back and forth. Im a minimalist when it comes to supps I guess. So I been doing low doses.

I do a couple weeks EC stack with CLA and green tea. The EC is only 16mg and 100mg though first 4 hrs of my day.

Then next 2 weeks (which I just started the 16th of May. Prev 2 weeks where not using EC stack Id just trade that ouit and use Jet Fuel instead. I must say, I like that product. Just 2 caps a day, just for a bit 'o help ;) Im gonna cut out the CLA/green tea and Im doing Testopro, Stoked, Alpha T2 and Erase. plan on doing this for about 6 weeks. MAYBE with my 2 weeks of EC still in there in the middle, I dunno. Even at low doses I dont wanna overkill.

I started my cut for summer Feb 15th, 3 months ago and I've lost 5 inches off my stomach so far. Goal is one more inch. :O) I think I can do it. Maybe not for June 1st like I wanted originally, but, maybe, we'll see :O) the ody starts to fight it the more you lean down (Hence, where supps can help ;)

I HAVE to add though, because Im starting to know my body better these years (Im 35) that a BIG part in my leaning down, getting more vascular, cut, is diet. I cut out all junk, lower carbs, fats and cals, and the biggest thing: smaller portions, spread out more throughout the day. I swear, that's 50% of it I bet. The other 50% being I up the reps on all sets big time. Go for form and burn, and up the cardio, a LOT compared to what I was doing say Dec/Jan.

So far, happy with results. Gotta keep pushin tho. See if this new stack helps me at all. Then, Maybe July, perhaps a small cycle to really help push the results I already got to the next level? We'll see.

Cheers!
 
Im getting a overload of good reviews. Anything like super bad you guys have took? And that Lipo6 sorry to say was terrible. I didnt feel anything off of it when i tried it. Just my opinion!
 
The only company I ever really had issues with was ABB, but to be fair, I haven't used anything from them since the ephedra ban. But holy **** did they used to have some strong stims...felt like amphetamine half the time lol. Since then I've found that most products out there work more or less. It's just a matter of testing a bit to see what dosage works best for you and then finding which one is the most cost efficient. Even if I couldn't get a sample direct from the company, most stores (that are not GNC) always hooked me up with a sample to test out.
 
I've never really had a bad thermogenic as all it does take is enough caffeine + add one of any other of the normal stim ingredients and you are still sweating like a hog. 300mg caffeine + 60mg 1,3 dimeth will have anyone sweating (and their heart rate elevated like mad)
 
APSLance said:
Im getting a overload of good reviews. Anything like super bad you guys have took? And that Lipo6 sorry to say was terrible. I didnt feel anything off of it when i tried it. Just my opinion!
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I have never been able to handle the sides with ephedra or ephadrine. Too jittery and the heart pounding and tons of paraoia...
 
So I just recieved my samples from APS. I got samples of:

Mesomorph
Yellow Thunder
White Lightning
Phenadrine


So I think Ill run each separately to gain a true appreciation for each. Though I have to admit stacking them is very tempting. Ill try out mesomorph today for my heavy chest workout.

APS, any suggestions on dosing for maximal effectiveness?
 
stim X mad me feel more wired than any drug ive used. Had terrible sleep on it

another one was venom 2.0 by ALRI

never again with these products by sleep is too important to be wanting to go to sleep and can not, cardio may help lessen them. That is why i like lower dosed never over moderate dosed stims
 
Update:

Dosed Mesomorph 1 hour pre lift and 1 White Lightning 30 minutes pre-lift. Very impressed. Solid energy. Amazing focus. Was able to push myself though I was very tired before i dosed. I dont want to make exaggerative claims, but mesomorph is def worth a try and so is white lightning. Im still energized post lift so i can focus on my studies. Usually im dead and unable ot focus but Im ready to jam out some hardcore studying.

Ill post up a formal review(for each sample) after im done with each product.
 
Diablos ECA Fire Caps has done very well for me. Very strong stuff. Oxyelite Pro has also given me great results (still my favorite).
 
I am the only person Ive ever met who did not have good success with OEP. I cant explain it but other fat burners have been more effective with me.
 
OrganicShadow said:
I am the only person Ive ever met who did not have good success with OEP. I cant explain it but other fat burners have been more effective with me.
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That's normal buddy. Not every supplement will have the same effect on everyone(natrual supplements that is). You gotta remember everyone has an individual biochemistry unique to his/her genetics/life style(nature vs nurture argument where environment plays on genetics, didnt want to get into it).

Find what ingredients/supps work best for you. Look around this board I've read of several people not liking OEP but liking other things better. Give their suggestions a try if you feel they are safe and appropriate. And then post what works for you and what doesn't to help other individuals that may be in your boat.
 
best stim I ever used(outside of the ephedra era) has to me a 1,3dimeth combo. I really liked Amp and Adrenaline. The best stack ever was a combo of ECD(ephedra, caffeine, dimeth). You could run a marathon on that stack easy(which is exactly what I did), just have to make sure you keep the doses reasonable or you'd have an exploding heart and headache. Dosed right and it was some very good stacks.

The worst ever involves some of the thiamine analoges. At least for me, they always gave me upset tummys, headaches and constipation(yes I said it). For some reason those products never did bode well for me at all, others love them though.
 
I got the samples too, and this was the first time I tried Yellow Thunder. It was pretty impressive, I noticed it far more than 200mg caffeine + 37.5mg ephedrince HCL, which was surprising. Didn't do cardio on it, but probably will try that over the weekend.
 
Yellow Thunder lit me up as well
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
That's normal buddy. Not every supplement will have the same effect on everyone(natrual supplements that is). You gotta remember everyone has an individual biochemistry unique to his/her genetics/life style(nature vs nurture argument where environment plays on genetics, didnt want to get into it).

Find what ingredients/supps work best for you. Look around this board I've read of several people not liking OEP but liking other things better. Give their suggestions a try if you feel they are safe and appropriate. And then post what works for you and what doesn't to help other individuals that may be in your boat.
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Agreed...I think he hit the nail on the head here with this response. There is no one best thermogenic supplement out there. Different people have different likes and dislikes (different strokes for different folks).
 
Took my dose of white lightning today around 12:30 when i started to get tired while at work. 1 cap is all I took and right now Im good to go. The energy is not overwhelming but its clean. Its an ample amount of energy to allow me to work hard but not get distracted.

Very few stims work on just 1 pill. Again I am impressed. Ill continue to dose 1 a day till I run out and Ill put up a formal review.
 
Almost a 1,000 Views wow. I am going to pick a few more forum participants next week to send out more product to. Thanks again for this amazing summertime thread! Have a good weekend guys!
 
Well i sent out a week of each drug to you guys. You can do whatever you got the balls for i suppose. Like true bodybuilders im sure you will stack. So feel free to do whatever, i sent em out for you try it how you wanted it, and then for others to see the results. Tell me what you liked the best and why is all i wanted. Thats why i sent more then one product. If it were me recieving i would enjoy the variety thats why i did what i did. Thanks fellas!
 
Well let me send over some of our phenadrine. You need to try it, in response to your not liking the hardcore stims. I use it myself i find it very adequate as i am the same as you on the subject. Thankyou
 
APSLance said:
Well let me send over some of our phenadrine. You need to try it, in response to your not liking the hardcore stims. I use it myself i find it very adequate as i am the same as you on the subject. Thankyou
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Phenadrine is a nice mood uplift for me. Not a big stim bump but it definitely gets you feeling better.
 
This is a very good threas unbiased is how i like to run things. The only way to make a good name for yourself and company is to let the people decide whats good and whats not in my eyes. Have a good weekend, thankyou for posting your kind remark.
 
Dangit, the samples already have me ready to buy some yellow thunder. When I compare it to buying even just the ephedrine ($10ish for 60 12.5mg tabs, or roughly 20 doses) its as cost effective, and way more noticeable
 
Whats with these Ephedra Extract (Leaves) formulas I see all the time.

Is there any science supporting the above...and exactly more information on it? Difference between above and illegal ephedra? Is it the supporting ingredients kicking in the stim feeling?
 
ax1 said:
Whats with these Ephedra Extract (Leaves) formulas I see all the time.

Is there any science supporting the above...and exactly more information on it? Difference between above and illegal ephedra? Is it the supporting ingredients kicking in the stim feeling?
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well, one part of the feel is the "medicine head" fuzziness, which i've never gotten from anything other than straight ephedrine (without guafinessen) or pseudoephedrine. So i'm assuming its from the ephedra
 
Ephedrine isn't illegal in the states anymore. That ban was lifted years ago. No one really wants to sell it because the insurance premiums to carry it are too high.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Ephedrine isn't illegal in the states anymore. That ban was lifted years ago. No one really wants to sell it because the insurance premiums to carry it are too high.
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What about old school Mahuang Ephedra?

Yellow Thunder has "Ephedra" leaves...it may be legal because it may not include Ephedra Alkaloids such as pseudoephedrine and norephedrine.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Ephedrine isn't illegal in the states anymore. That ban was lifted years ago. No one really wants to sell it because the insurance premiums to carry it are too high.
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Did not know that. Interesting. I wouldnt even know where to find it.
 
OrganicShadow said:
Did not know that. Interesting. I wouldnt even know where to find it.
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Ephedrine is legal but a controlled substance and may only be sold as a bronchodilator. Bronkaid and Primatene are only sold behind the counter and you must register your ID and purchase and registerthe sale with the government.

In Canada ephedrine may be freely purchased in 8mg tablets.

Ephedrine is not Ephedra. The original Ephedra still should be illegal as it contains 3-4 other alkaloids other than ephedrine.
 
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So I got my samples in and took one of Meso this weekend WOW that stuff is strong for sure. Was just on that border of too much and just right using what it said to be one scoop. It is a little more than I would want at all times but at the same time it was not too much which was really cool. I will sample some of the others and give more feedback. Thanks for the Generous amount of samples APS!
 
MrKleen73 said:
So I got my samples in and took one of Meso this weekend WOW that stuff is strong for sure. Was just on that border of too much and just right using what it said to be one scoop. It is a little more than I would want at all times but at the same time it was not too much which was really cool. I will sample some of the others and give more feedback. Thanks for the Generous amount of samples APS!
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Taking stims with nitrate products will give the stim an extra kick. Just keep that in mind, for some people the stim may get too strong.

Usually lower dosing stims at the start with nitrate products is a good idea to assess tolerance.

Where can I get samples? Id love to try the APS stim.
 
ax1 said:
Taking stims with nitrate products will give the stim an extra kick. Just keep that in mind, for some people the stim may get too strong.

Usually lower dosing stims at the start with nitrate products is a good idea to assess tolerance.

Where can I get samples? Id love to try the APS stim.
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You are in the right thread for it. They want your take on stims you have used and if they like your answers then they will ship you some samples to test and give your opinion of.
 
MrKleen73 said:
You are in the right thread for it. They want your take on stims you have used and if they like your answers then they will ship you some samples to test and give your opinion of.
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Oh I see, lol been a while since I read the original post.

AMP original by Epharm 4 caps = wow! My all time favorite (thats currently legal)

Rezolution = 3 caps very good, I wish the caffeine was a little lower dosed so I can dose the other ingrediants higher as I do with AMP. Excellent stim product though for my pre-workouts

Original Xenadrine with MaHuang = nothing comes close..I felt like superman enough said, but after 4 weeks this drains the crap out of you. Cycle would be 2 on 4 off if I ever used again as a fat burner...Spacing out for pre-workouts only would prolong my cycle, 4 on 4 off.

Original Ripped Fuel - same as Xenadrine, superhero superman.

200mg caffeine w/ 25mg ephedrine, get a boost I prefer all of the above options. Just doesnt feel clean.

Currently using 3 caps AMP and 25mg ephedrine for pre-workout, as Im running a EC fat burn stack. I like 4 standalone AMP's over my current protocol, it just feels much cleaner and less of a crash.

VPX Meltdown = Great fat burner, a classic and one of my all time favorites, but not best for pre-workout use.

Slim Xtreme 1 cap in the morning no caffeine the rest of the day (including decaf coffee,) and 4 hours later when I get to the gym its still going strong. 10 hours later I still feel it. Amazing, although I feel overstimmed and for way too long. Best fat burner since the original Ephedra, and superior to ECA in both thermogenic effect and appetite crushing. I would not run this again do to controversial health concerns.

USP Labs OEP = simply the worst product I have ever used of this type. Appettite I had on this was destroying my life, and the crash I had received from it was atrocious.
 
Wow, what a good thread this turned out to be. Over 1500 people getting educated, this is exactly what i wanted! Thanks again for you guys that i sent out samples too. Very honest and straight reviews. You are very well respected amongst this community for that. Thanks again.
 
Yellow thunder and White lightning are ridiculous. Im hooked. Phenadrine is the last of my samples.

Im def running these in the future!
 
The Withe Thunder was off the chain. I think I already mentioned that. Well the Lightning was equally as impressive. I too have not used the Phenadrine either but have thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the samples. When I am ready for a high stim run I will be picking up one of these for sure. Love the Meso too. I was thinking it would be too strong stim-wise but for me 1 scoop was perfect.
 
I'm not much of a stim guy buy I'm still loving me some alpha. Haha at 1 a day I still feel strong effects.

Can anybody give a good comparison?
 
MrKleen73 said:
The Withe Thunder was off the chain. I think I already mentioned that. Well the Lightning was equally as impressive. I too have not used the Phenadrine either but have thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the samples. When I am ready for a high stim run I will be picking up one of these for sure. Love the Meso too. I was thinking it would be too strong stim-wise but for me 1 scoop was perfect.
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White Lightning I liked a lot but not too much pre-workout. Yellow Thunder was stupid strong at one pill and that was amazing pre-workout. Phenadrine is very good but it really gets blown away by Yellow Thunder.

Gave my dad a pill and he told me to buy it...asap lol.
 
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