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best protein while cutting?

Im going to be honest with the OP.

The answer is FOOD

Nothing satiates you like REAL FOOD

I gave up p-shakes awhile ago and never felt better and never lost an OUNCE of muscle.

I also switched from 275 grams of protein including shakes to 175-225 (depends on the day) of FOOD based and I look better, feel better and Im not getting scammed anymore either.

Im so done with the the hyped up P-shake marketing propaganda (AND the hyped up bro-science of needing ALL this protein to grow). It's ALL GARBAGE!

Look. even a cheap azz can of tuna only takes 10 second to inhale and virtually ALL protein so save me the "i want something fast business"

I got peeled for my summer vacation on lean meats and veggies with healthy fats. All real food.

MOST supps are over-rated

Good luck - just an OLD WISE vet trying to help you out

i agree food is the key, but when you can take a p-shake with 24g protein at 50 cents a serving, its a little more convenient and cheaper then eating three cans of tuna at 75 cents a piece to get the same amount of protein. Not bashing or nething i agree that a sound diet is the number one thing you need but i know in my case i have a hard time getting all of my protein threw my food due to lack of appetite.
 
i still make a high calorie shake with myofusion...600 cal shakes and still losing 1lb per week, mostly body fat, is this real life....
 
Oh so you guys got a hard-on for natures best Isolate....why didn't you just say so? we could have avoided much of this rigamarole :D....when I said "highest quality" I meant 50% the isolate was of higher quality than random whey blends (you say NB isolate sucks, fair enough)....and 50% of it was the company and its quality, and my trust in the company. I trust NB 10X more than any of those other companies to adhere to the label claims since they have been around forever....perhaps i'll try one of the other companies that get good reviews in the near future? maybe. regardless, its 25g Leucine PWO and 50g Isolate 30-45 minutes later for me, whatever company :D

25g leucine in one bolus? You can keep doing what you're doing, but we're trying to help you out here. All 25g of leucine will do is generate ketones.
 
this sounds like a BCAA intervention...LMFAO....am I gonna die?

but seriously, some of you guys take this WAAAAAY too seriously....if someone says they take 5g leucine you tell them its not enough, if someone takes 20-25g BCAA PWO you tell them they need an intervention like its an overdose or something....c'mon man....enough :D.....
 
this sounds like a BCAA intervention...LMFAO....am I gonna die?

but seriously, some of you guys take this WAAAAAY too seriously....if someone says they take 5g leucine you tell them its not enough, if someone takes 20-25g BCAA PWO you tell them they need an intervention like its an overdose or something....c'mon man....enough :D.....

All my post said was that I don't have some sort of ulterior motive here: I'm just trying to help you. In fact, every post I've made in this thread was with the intention of helping you or others pick the right protein powder. So when you say "enough," I will gladly oblige as I do not have to do this.
 
All my post said was that I don't have some sort of ulterior motive here: I'm just trying to help you. In fact, every post I've made in this thread was with the intention of helping you or others pick the right protein powder. So when you say "enough," I will gladly oblige as I do not have to do this.

I'm speaking about the exaggeration and/or overreaction type talk.....not ulterior motives.....I don't think Isopure is as bad as you two made it out to be....overpriced? probably....but not so horrible....and taking in BCAA PWO? in higher doses like 20g or so? Seems like a good idea to me after breaking down muscle for an hour....sometimes you might let science get in the way of logical/practical thinking, and things that have worked for ages in bodybuilding.
 
I'm speaking about the exaggeration and/or overreaction type talk.....not ulterior motives.....I don't think Isopure is as bad as you two made it out to be....overpriced? probably....but not so horrible....and taking in BCAA PWO? in higher doses like 20g or so? Seems like a good idea to me after breaking down muscle for an hour....sometimes you might let science get in the way of logical/practical thinking, and things that have worked for ages in bodybuilding.

This is the last post I'll make in this thread.

I didn't overexaggerate anything. I said the processing method was inferior, and it is. If you know me, you know that I actually like to simplify everything and will even admonish (with love) people for overcomplicating or overthinking things.

You can believe whatever you want about logic vs science. Logic dictates CEE is superior to monohydrate. Logic dictates that glutamine should be incredibly beneficial for bodybuilders and that nothing should touch arginine when it comes to NO production and distribution. Logic dictates that supplementing ingredients like ATP, krebs cycle intermediates, and nucleotides should help strength...why even bother with creatine? Logic dictates that ecdy should cause steroid-like gains in humans because it does so in mice.

You can rely on logic all you want, but I am telling you, perhaps a little too bluntly, that your very mindset is partially responsible for the regression of society. It is entirely too common, and it is the plague of the common man.

And just as an aside, you should probably read up on the blood leucine maximum-MPS threshold dose, ketogenesis, and gluconeogenesis before thinking that 25g leucine or 20g of BCAAs in one bolus dose is logical. Megadosing leucine or BCAAs hasn't worked for ages in bodybuilding because this is an entirely new concept, and the lead researchers, who also happen to be professional bodybuilders if it makes you happy, would agree with me.

My intention in this thread was two-fold: helping others and maintaining objectivity. If you can't take what is wholly constructive criticism, then so be it. You can choose to ignore me, but don't tell me it's "enough" and that the way I presented my discourse or the argument itself is flawed unless you have some evidence to back up your claims, besides, of course, anecdote of the effects of amino acid supplements in bodybuilders who abuse steroids.
 
I think your being overly sensitive.

not everybody subscribes 100% to your beloved scientific method. that is just how it is. For most there needs to be a happy medium between things like science, anecdote etc. don't get so excited over it, its really not a big deal. you are not going to change the views of the entire world to emulate your own no matter how hard you try, there will always be people who will disagree with you even if your scientifically correct. and again, "enough" was for the "we're trying to help you, stop taking that much BCAA at once"....sounded like you were talking to a drug addict or something. and it was just a joke, poking fun at your serious attitude. relax :D
 
I think your being overly sensitive.

not everybody subscribes 100% to your beloved scientific method. that is just how it is. For most there needs to be a happy medium between things like science, anecdote etc. don't get so excited over it, its really not a big deal. you are not going to change the views of the entire world to emulate your own no matter how hard you try, there will always be people who will disagree with you even if your scientifically correct. and again, "enough" was for the "we're trying to help you, stop taking that much BCAA at once"....sounded like you were talking to a drug addict or something. and it was just a joke, poking fun at your serious attitude. relax :D


I completely agree with you. I think it's f*cking insane that people put so much weight into science, it's pretty damn clear that since Earth is the sh*t it's clearly the center of the universe, and further have you ever traveled to the end of the world? I'm pretty sure it's flat.

Keep on telling science to shove it.
 
I think your being overly sensitive.

not everybody subscribes 100% to your beloved scientific method. that is just how it is. For most there needs to be a happy medium between things like science, anecdote etc. don't get so excited over it, its really not a big deal. you are not going to change the views of the entire world to emulate your own no matter how hard you try, there will always be people who will disagree with you even if your scientifically correct. and again, "enough" was for the "we're trying to help you, stop taking that much BCAA at once"....sounded like you were talking to a drug addict or something. and it was just a joke, poking fun at your serious attitude. relax :D

You're an idiot. Plain and simple.
 
I completely agree with you. I think it's f*cking insane that people put so much weight into science, it's pretty damn clear that since Earth is the sh*t it's clearly the center of the universe, and further have you ever traveled to the end of the world? I'm pretty sure it's flat.

Keep on telling science to shove it.

I said "not 100%".... reading comprehension, it helps.....
 

phoenix.edu

go there, thank me later.

I think your being overly sensitive.

not everybody subscribes 100% to your beloved scientific method. that is just how it is. For most there needs to be a happy medium between things like science, anecdote etc. don't get so excited over it, its really not a big deal. you are not going to change the views of the entire world to emulate your own no matter how hard you try, there will always be people who will disagree with you even if your scientifically correct. and again, "enough" was for the "we're trying to help you, stop taking that much BCAA at once"....sounded like you were talking to a drug addict or something. and it was just a joke, poking fun at your serious attitude. relax :D



I said "not 100%".... reading comprehension, it helps.....

am i missing something here? or are you just slack jawed?
 
Any body got criticism on protein factory? Mr Cooper if you check back please share you thoughts. Thanks
~ Bryan
 
you live your life 100% by scientifically backed data? good for you! that must suck though.....

My car, my computer, my alarm clock, my tv, lights, air-conditioner, microwave, fridge, etc..

**** science, I don't believe in my tv anymore.
 
Any body got criticism on protein factory? Mr Cooper if you check back please share you thoughts. Thanks
~ Bryan

While I'm not Coop, I've never seen any issues w/ Protein Factory and their quality.
 
I don't live my life nor "bodybuild" 100% based on science, no....I rely on my common sense, logic, anecdote sometimes....try it some time...oh you probably already do.

It's honestly embarrassing that people like you walk this Earth. You pick and chose what you want to believe even though there is evidence that it doesn't work. Have fun with your casein before bed.
 
My car, my computer, my alarm clock, my tv, lights, air-conditioner, microwave, fridge, etc..

**** science, I don't believe in my tv anymore.

have you ever tried ritalin? its scientifically proven to help individuals like yourself.....being that you are so concerned about science in addition to be severely mental.
 
It's honestly embarrassing that people like you walk this Earth. You pick and chose what you want to believe even though there is evidence that it doesn't work. Have fun with your casein before bed.

you are about the dumbest "scientist" I have ever encountered. Why do you come here? stop, you might spread your mental instability to the intelligent people.....
 
Protein factory! yes, I use their glutamine peptides.....fits right into this "conversation"....since the scientists heads will explode at the fact somebody is using glutamine peptides! even in mid to high teen caloric dieting.....
 
have you ever tried ritalin? its scientifically proven to help individuals like yourself.....being that you are so concerned about science in addition to be severely mental.

So do you believe in the science behind ritalin?

Anyways, you should know that ritalin is used to help treat Attention Deficit Disorders (whether this is an actual disorder or not is debatable) and Narcolepsy. Neither of those two disorders would indicate that I am severely mental nor help with me being severely mental. Try again?
 
So do you believe in the science behind ritalin?

Anyways, you should know that ritalin is used to help treat Attention Deficit Disorders (whether this is an actual disorder or not is debatable) and Narcolepsy. Neither of those two disorders would indicate that I am severely mental nor help with me being severely mental. Try again?

you're actually hyper as fck, and annoying, so yeah it would help you. or maybe a xanax? might calm you down or better yet knock you out for a few hours....a lobotomy would be my first choice for you, but science did away with those right :D LMFAO....
 
I vote Isopure Whey Isolate (50 grams protein and no carbs or fat per 2 scoops).... also bulk Luecine. Both are low cal with no carbs or fat in them, just protein/BCAA, and the are the highest of quality. This should all be of concern if dieting/cutting...most of the "protein powders" have WAY too many carbs in them... Isopure is VERY expensive though, which is a drawback. I use it PWO only at 2 scoops (also 25g Leucine separately), then use something else on off days. Egg protein with no carbs added, or something comparable.


Natures best is truly one of the best. Such a high serving of protein with no crap added. It can be expensive but i think it is worth, especially if money is not an issue.

Zero carbs = win
 
you're actually hyper as fck, and annoying, so yeah it would help you. or maybe a xanax? might calm you down or better yet knock you out for a few hours....a lobotomy would be my first choice for you, but science did away with those right :D LMFAO....


I would prescribe you something, but there isn't anything currently that creates neurons in the brain. Looks like your stuck being dumb. Sorry :/
 
I didn't say a whey blend, rather a blend of different proteins (milk protein, whey, casein, egg, soy, etc).

This is what I buy from True Nutrition . . . I create a custom blend with whole milk protein, egg, casein
 
Xylez said:
Natures best is truly one of the best. Such a high serving of protein with no crap added. It can be expensive but i think it is worth, especially if money is not an issue.

Zero carbs = win

Yeah I agree...the zero carb thing is becoming harder to find in protein powders.... I dont mind a few carbs but some of them are out of control. And 50 grams of pure protein is nice
 
As in what product? what are you suggesting? i see more than half the posters agreeing on isopure

Just because half the responses support you does not mean they are correct . . . do you know these people and their qualifications? Heck, if half said that cow dung is anabolic then it MUST be true.
 
p5sky said:
Just because half the responses support you does not mean they are correct . . . do you know these people and their qualifications? Heck, if half said that cow dung is anabolic then it MUST be true.

I did not comment in this thread with the intention of "winning"....WTF is wrong with you people tonight? Is this bizzaro world or something?
 
Yeah I agree...the zero carb thing is becoming harder to find in protein powders.... I dont mind a few carbs but some of them are out of control. And 50 grams of pure protein is nice
The only reason it's 50 grams of protein is because the serving size is obnoxiously large. Aka twice the size of everyone else's serving size for 25g protein servings. :09:
 
broda said:
The only reason it's 50 grams of protein is because the serving size is obnoxiously large. Aka twice the size of everyone else's serving size for 25g protein servings. :09:

Yes I am well aware of the two scoop serving size.....the 50 grams with no carbs or BS was what got us excited...
 
Daycrawler said:
While I'm not Coop, I've never seen any issues w/ Protein Factory and their quality.

Thank you for your opinion. I REALLY like their stuff and want to spread the word out. I want to try their ultra amino 97 soon but the shipping cost hurtz tthe' poor old wallet ......
 
Yes I am well aware of the two scoop serving size.....the 50 grams with no carbs or BS was what got us excited...
The Egg White/Whey protein from Protein Factory has 0g of carbs which is what I shall be getting. 75 servings of 25g of protein for $40 a pop is pretty solid. It would cost a little over $1/day for 50g of protein which my wallet likes!
 
My brain is flooded with so many responses that I can't pick just one >.< I'm gonna walk away and pretend that I only dreamed of seeing this thread...
 
broda said:
The Egg White/Whey protein from Protein Factory has 0g of carbs which is what I shall be getting. 75 servings of 25g of protein for $40 a pop is pretty solid. It would cost a little over $1/day for 50g of protein which my wallet likes!

Nice....I'll look into that...I do get specialty products from them as I mentioned earlier
 
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