Best joint medication?

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howwedo107

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My grand mother who raised me is one of the sweetest people I know and she has had problems recently with her knees. She is only 60 years old and I hate to see her in pain from her knee joints hurting her. She doesn't have health insurance bc well our government has to many flaws so I was wondering what the best joint supplement would be that could maybe help her pain a little
 
Fish Oil
Glucosamine / Chondrointin
MSM
Curcumin Tumeric/Bromalain
Hyaluronic Acid


These all can help seperately or in conjunction with one another. Low intensity exercise targeted for her ailments can help as well. Good luck!
 
Cissus, USPLabs Super Cissus Rx is a good one.
 
I like the combo of Cissus and Celadrin. For the anti-inflammatory boost, add Zyfla-Mend. My mom uses it for her back/knees and has good results.
 
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Glucosamine, chondroitin are almost only helpful in joints free of inflammation, so first goal would be to kill the inflammation.
Cheapest antiinflammatories are celadrine and devils claw (did not use the second one but heard great things about it).

Cissus would stack great with celadrine. It's a bit of trial and error to find out what antiinflammatories alone or in combination work for your grand mother.

So what I would do:
Start her with glucosamine(1500mg)/chondroitine(up to 1200mg)/msm(500mg-... gram area) combo, and celadrine(1000mg/day). Thats like the "base combo". G/C/M combo is to prevent further cartilage catabolism and to maybe even build up cartilage, but like I said, will not help much as long as the inflammation is not being stopped. However, once stopped, the pain should go away and the condition should be stabilized.

Tell her to walk, or go biking regulary to speed up the metabolism of the cartilage, so the substances can get quicker into the problematic areas of the joints.

Now after 2-3 weeks ask her how her joint pain is - better / same... on a scale of 1-10, 1 being pain free and 10 well the worst she ever felt.
And note it down. Then add one of the following antiinflammatories if her painlevel is not around 1...:
Cissus (2 weeks 2x800mg 3x/day, USPLabs cissus is the best, afterwards 2-3x 800mg/day)
Devils Claw
Curcumin (there are several forms, the best is longvida curcumin but it is also the most expensive, but you can try a cheaper extract though)
Higher dosages of MSM (but keep in mind that it might cause digestive problems if she is not used to it, so increase slowly)
Acetyl-cysteine, up to 3x500mg, would be best together with 3x500mg vit c (this *might* actually help with her muscle pain also - it is actually an antioxidant, so it will help with any inflammation generated through oxidative processes. it's cheap and great for older people who lack cysteine anyways, so I would add it to the basic stack, if money allows - its quite cheap).
High dose omega 3 fatty acids. Dose in grams. Results take months to see tough. (same as with glucosamine)

Then again, after 2 weeks, ask her on a scale of 1-10 how her pain is, if it did change, but not enough, add another substance, if it did not change, forget the substance and switch it with another. The 1-10 question is really important so you can measure the success of a substance easily.

If money is a problem, then I would suggest to stick to the basic combo, research the prices of the antiinflammatories on the list, and begin with the cheapest one.

Good luck!
 
Joint Fixx

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other than that, fish oil is good as well.
 
gwulbrecht72 said:
Supercissus for sure, also have her take fish oils....cissus has great healing properties
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super cissus is something that I honestly have to swear by; Fish oils...I just take. lol. I never really noticed much of a difference. But the Super Cissus definitely had better lubrication tendencies in my joints.
 
I love Joint Force but I don't know how your mom would be willing to use a topical. I also use Osteo Sport with fish is a good combo.
 
Ive had many joint related injuries and have spent money on all kinds of joint complexes. Couple months ago I ran out and was at Target and purchased their Up n Up target brand "triple strength joint complex" it's a generic copy of some other brand name deal but it seems to be working. So well that I went back and now buy their fish oil and D3 with calcium as well. Saves alot of money
 
Super Cissus is good. I really have gotten good results from Forged Joint Repair. Tiger Balm and Skeletal balm are both good as well for a bit of immediate relief. I haven't tried Joint Force. I might have to give it a go. I have a shoulder that is always causing me issues.
 
D2footballjrc said:
Super Cissus is good. I really have gotten good results from Forged Joint Repair. Tiger Balm and Skeletal balm are both good as well for a bit of immediate relief. I haven't tried Joint Force. I might have to give it a go. I have a shoulder that is always causing me issues.
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give it a go. those other products generally all contain the same stuff. Joint Force is something differernt altogether
 
I only use NOW brand Celadrin for general joint health (well fish oil as well), and I always have at least 1 bottle of Joint Force in my cabinet at all time just in case.

Ive dropped glucosamine/Chrono as well as cissus.
 
Im also looking for a good joint support to fix my shoulders, when i do all sorts of bench pressing and presses i get a clicking in my right shoulder and at some times it get a little kind of swollen and tender it feels like.

Any suggestions?
 
kookva said:
Im also looking for a good joint support to fix my shoulders, when i do all sorts of bench pressing and presses i get a clicking in my right shoulder and at some times it get a little kind of swollen and tender it feels like.

Any suggestions?
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See a doctor, he may have you gp do rehab which may be much better help than just supplements.
 
ax1 said:
See a doctor, he may have you gp do rehab which may be much better help than just supplements.
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They might shoot him up with.those shots. Cortisol i think. Many healers get that done. Depending in severity
 
i like joint force and osteo sport. they make a good combo.
 
Joint Force is supposed to be phenomenal, from everyone I've heard thats tried it. The new iForce product has been getting great preliminary reviews by testers, as well.
 
Super Cissus RX. I have been taking this and since I started, I have not had an issue with a gout attack either!
 
How many 'sprays' and applications per day.?

PrepNwa23 said:
This is news to me. I'll stick with my Joint Force for my topical needs, i need to try your guys Joint Fixx when i get done with my Osteo Sport.
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Whacked said:
How many 'sprays' and applications per day.?
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when you use a topical joint relief product you apply it to the affected area. you dont "count" the amount, you just apply enough to cover the area and you rub it in.

twice a day is good.

for extra effect you can cover the area in saran wrap for ten minutes or so after application. that greatly enhances penetration
 
Starting ASAP. Wrists are trashed. Thanks
 
Jonbero said:
Cissus, USPLabs Super Cissus Rx is a good one.
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I completely agree. I have tried Fish oil/Glucosamine/Chondroitan/ MSM and all have had little effect on me. I have very creeky joints and Cissus RX has been a godsend! This is the #1 supplement for joints in my book. I could feel the results within the first few days!
 
grunted said:
They might shoot him up with.those shots. Cortisol i think. Many healers get that done. Depending in severity
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That's Cortisone. It's a steroidal anti inflammatory. Cortisol is something completely different! You don't want that!
 
Royd The Noyd said:
How do you know this?
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how do i know anything? I read and research and have been doing so for 20 years. Do you question the grand PA?

it is well known that occlusion greatly increases penetration of substances (particularly lipid soluble ones like that are in my product) through the skin. and when I say well known i mean well known as in I dont need to give you a reference

But I will anyway because you are a doubting thomas (how appropriate for easter)

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Patrick Arnold said:
how do i know anything? I read and research and have been doing so for 20 years. Do you question the grand PA?

it is well known that occlusion greatly increases penetration of substances (particularly lipid soluble ones like that are in my product) through the skin. and when I say well known i mean well known as in I dont need to give you a reference

But I will anyway because you are a doubting thomas (how appropriate for easter)

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Thanks, it seems as if that can come with some skin irritation. What is a doubting thomas (i'll need a reference)? This method is perhaps more viable, and more practical:

Int J Physiol Pathophysiol Pharmacol. 2011 Sep 30;3(3):202-9. Epub 2011 Sep 7.

Cutaneous vasomotor reactions in response to controlled heat applied on various body regions of healthy humans: evaluation of time course and application parameters.

Gazerani P, Arendt-Nielsen L.


Source

Center for Sensory-Motor Interaction (SMI), Department of Health Science and Technology, Faculty of Medicine, Aal-borg University Denmark.


Abstract

Skin permeability and local blood perfusion are important factors for transdermal drug delivery. Application of heat is expected to enhance microcirculation and local perfusion and/or blood vessel permeability, thus facilitating drug transfer to the systemic circulation. In addition, heating prior to or during topical application of a drug may facilitate skin penetration, increase kinetic energy, and facilitate drug absorption. The aim of the present study was to investigate skin vasomotor responses to mild heat generated by a controlled heat device on several body regions of healthy male and female subjects. Skin vasomotor responses in different body regions were recorded following different heat application paradigms (38, 41 and 43 °C, each for 15, 30, 60 sec). Test regions were forehead, forearm, dorsal hand, dorsal foot, and abdomen. Prior to and following the application of heat, local blood perfusion and skin temperature were measured by means of laser Doppler imaging (LDI) and thermography, respectively. It was found that a short-lasting heat application (43 °C for 60 sec) causes significant cutaneous hyperaemia (up to 2 folds increase in skin perfusion, and 5 °C increase in skin temperature) existing for up to 15 minutes. The site of application and sex did not influence the responses. The method was well tolerated without causing any pain or discomfort. These data suggest that controlled heat application is a simple, non-invasive method to significantly enhance local perfusion which may improve transcutaneous drug delivery.


PMID: 21941611 [PubMed - in process] PMCID: PMC3175746 Free PMC Article
 
Patrick Arnold said:
how do i know anything? I read and research and have been doing so for 20 years. Do you question the grand PA?

it is well known that occlusion greatly increases penetration of substances (particularly lipid soluble ones like that are in my product) through the skin. and when I say well known i mean well known as in I dont need to give you a reference

But I will anyway because you are a doubting thomas (how appropriate for easter)

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Lol yes don't question grandPA lololol
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Thanks, it seems as if that can come with some skin irritation. What is a doubting thomas (i'll need a reference)? This method is perhaps more viable, and more practical:

Int J Physiol Pathophysiol Pharmacol. 2011 Sep 30;3(3):202-9. Epub 2011 Sep 7.

Cutaneous vasomotor reactions in response to controlled heat applied on various body regions of healthy humans: evaluation of time course and application parameters.

Gazerani P, Arendt-Nielsen L.


Source

Center for Sensory-Motor Interaction (SMI), Department of Health Science and Technology, Faculty of Medicine, Aal-borg University Denmark.


Abstract

Skin permeability and local blood perfusion are important factors for transdermal drug delivery. Application of heat is expected to enhance microcirculation and local perfusion and/or blood vessel permeability, thus facilitating drug transfer to the systemic circulation. In addition, heating prior to or during topical application of a drug may facilitate skin penetration, increase kinetic energy, and facilitate drug absorption. The aim of the present study was to investigate skin vasomotor responses to mild heat generated by a controlled heat device on several body regions of healthy male and female subjects. Skin vasomotor responses in different body regions were recorded following different heat application paradigms (38, 41 and 43 °C, each for 15, 30, 60 sec). Test regions were forehead, forearm, dorsal hand, dorsal foot, and abdomen. Prior to and following the application of heat, local blood perfusion and skin temperature were measured by means of laser Doppler imaging (LDI) and thermography, respectively. It was found that a short-lasting heat application (43 °C for 60 sec) causes significant cutaneous hyperaemia (up to 2 folds increase in skin perfusion, and 5 °C increase in skin temperature) existing for up to 15 minutes. The site of application and sex did not influence the responses. The method was well tolerated without causing any pain or discomfort. These data suggest that controlled heat application is a simple, non-invasive method to significantly enhance local perfusion which may improve transcutaneous drug delivery.


PMID: 21941611 [PubMed - in process] PMCID: PMC3175746 Free PMC Article
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I disagree because we are not interested in systemic delivery with joint force. We are interested in local delivery. We do not want to enchance local skin microcirculation and blood vessel permeability.

And wrapping in saran wrap is not really that impractical
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I disagree because we are not interested in systemic delivery with joint force. We are interested in local delivery. We do not want to enchance local skin microcirculation and blood vessel permeability.

And wrapping in saran wrap is not really that impractical
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Forgot the stuff was intended for local delivery.

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