Best Fat fighting Compound?

[agent8]

IMO, Anavar, thyroid, Long IGF-1 R3, and 2 hours cardio 5 days a week. Those are the one two three I would waste my money on for fat loss. :woohoo:

 

[MetalMX]

DNP hands ****ing down is the KING of KINGS in the fat loss department.DNP doesn't affect hormone levels like Clen and T3, Clen and T3 work on receptors while DNP goes straight to the source the mitochondria working as an uncoupling agent (consuming energy and giving it off as heat rather than making ATP). I think its better to use something like DNP then to do endless amounts of cardio and dieting and tax your adrenals and burn yourself out like I have but maybe im just more sensitive to too much dieting and Cardio just my opinion. Cardio has it's place of course but too much doesn't help.

 

[agent8]

DNP hands ****ing down is the KING of KINGS in the fat loss department.DNP doesn't affect hormone levels like Clen and T3, Clen and T3 work on receptors while DNP goes straight to the source the mitochondria working as an uncoupling agent (consuming energy and giving it off as heat rather than making ATP). I think its better to use something like DNP then to do endless amounts of cardio and dieting and tax your adrenals and burn yourself out like I have but maybe im just more sensitive to too much dieting and Cardio just my opinion. Cardio has it's place of course but too much doesn't help.

I've been told the samething but, I have never ran across a supplier and I'll got the least expensive peptides, and everything except DNP.:frustrate

 

[MetalMX]

I know of an few online suppliers that are pretty good. I haven't used DNP yet but am willing to give it a try in the future.

HGH Fragment 177-191 shows promise as a fat loss agent as well but you have to inject it subq or IM. It only affects fat loss and doesn't mess around with your natural insulin and GH levels like HGH.

 

[agent8]

I know of an few online suppliers that are pretty good. I haven't used DNP yet but am willing to give it a try in the future.

HGH Fragment 177-191 shows promise as a fat loss agent as well but you have to inject it subq or IM. It only affects fat loss and doesn't mess around with your natural insulin and GH levels like HGH.

have you use frag-hgh and doesn't regular hgh burn do the same? Does frag-hgh burn fat better than Long-Igf-1 R3?

I read that on DNP you should workout lightly not to raise body temperature to much, that means no cardio only light lifting.

 

[MetalMX]

Frag HGH is a good fat burner, not sure how it compares to IGF LR3, IGF LR3 is best used for site enhancement where injected post-workout though it definitely does help burn fat as well.

Regular HGH is costly and you have to run heaps to get any anabolic benefit from it. You can run 3-6IU's of HGH daily for fat loss, for increasing muscle size you'd need to run 10-12IU's daily from what i've have seen. If your looking for fat loss Frag HGH is the way to go IMO. Yes i have run Frag HGH. 400mg a day, 200mg in the morning and 200mg preworkout. 2 weeks on, 2 off 2 on. Cuts fat very well even without changing you diet, though a reduced calorie diet will provide better results. I lost fat mostly off my waist and it gave me a good feeling of wellbeing.

If your running a low dose of DNP say 200-400mg you should do cardio, though for only about 20-30minutes daily it won't raise body temperature that much. On doses of 600mg a day or more cardio is a no-no the DNP will do all the work and you just need to worry about keeping yourself hydrated.

 

[clayu86]

I know diet is 80% of the battle. So on a strict diet, what you all thought of these compounds in terms of fighting fat (cutting).

Personal opinions and experiences wanted.

Thanks,
Sprt

tren is the driest of all of these so thats my choice...drink plenty of water on it.

 

[Tom 185]

dont understand why everyone says cardio first before anything else...(some people said diet of course)

basically to burn calories, you need to expend more calories than your body needs...get your bmr/rmr tested and then factor in how many calories you burn on workout vs. non-workout days and u can set up a fail-proof program to lose weight...if u make it 250 cals less than ur body needs per day, then u will lose 1 pound a week...500 cals less per day to lose 2 pounds per week

3500 cals= 1 pound

sure cardio helps cause u burn calories that way too but full-body workouts and superset/triset/giantsets of non-isolating exercises can burn twice as many calories as cardio in the same amount of time

also, to those that dont know...ellipticals burn more calories than bikes and treadmills due to constant muscle tension and greater muscle recruitment since there handles to incorporate your upper body

back to the topic....id recommend t3/clen as the top fat burning "supplements"....i didnt notice much fat burning from tren, but then again i didnt gain much strength either...vascularity was sick

 

[Newbie40plus]

I agree with both BigVrunga and Beowulf. HOWEVER, even though the question was asked by a 24-year-old, I must point out that as the going goes, it gets less easy.

Forgive the length of this post but I feel like telling you my life story as my abs see it...

In my '20s, I needed zero cardio to be ripped. Just do weights 2x ED 4-6 days a week and I'd be gaining size and staying cut. I mean putting on 12lbs LBM in a year with a perpetual stone-hard stomach.

Then in my '30s and I mean starting about 33 years old, I noticed that training 2xED wansn't doable anymore. I'd get burnt out quick. So I did some cardio. Early morning cardio was great, weights in the afternoon, I kept my shape pretty good, except the morning cardio was a bit of a drag what with work and life and all, so eventually I got a little bit soft around the midsection.

Then later at 36 I found out the hard way that morning cardio destroyed nearly as much muscle as fat. A whey shake beforehand reduced this effect SOMEWHAT but the morning cardio still seemed terribly catabolic. Even with insanely worked diets, I still lost muscle. Did calorie cycling keeping the protein stable, carb cycling, near zero fat, CKD, name it. A great diet made maybe 10% different from a good diet, but was killing my free time.

I'm closing in on 40 and now the only cut I'll make is androgen-assisted and because I'm not staying ON for very long these days, T3 and Albuterol will be my friends. Of course, a long Test/Tren cycle at a reasonable dose would do for a great cut also, but we'll see about that.

Bottom line, do cut naturally as much as you can, you'll learn tons about how your body reacts to different situations. Then one day, when you NEED to use cutting agents, you'll at least use them EFFICIENTLY.

Great post Grunt! Glad your here.

 

[Superheavy700]

This is just an idiotic post all together, juice doesn't reduce bodyfat. Some don't promote bodyfat but that's about the best you can ask for.

 

[holyintellect]

I dont really care for the wording of the poll, but based on the options I have....

tren

holy

 

[papapumpsd]

Do this:
1-14 Test E
12-16 Tren A.

I assume your going to run igf duriong PCT, which is fine. What I mean by the above suggestion is to start your tren whenever really, but take it during the 2wks prior to your last Test E injection. This way you have Tren support as the Test E exits the body and your not sitting stagnant waiting to start PCT. After you last Tren inject wait 48hr and start PCT with your IGF. You get what I'm saying?

I too am going to use igf during PCT. I've used mgf (and have some extras) but didnt get much out of it from what I noticed.

Anavar is great. You'll like it ... its real mild but very effective. My last cycle I ran it solo for 8wks with igf. If you check my log I posted a picture of myself mid cycle @ 180lbs probably 12-13% BF.

Hope this helps,
Sprt

Dood, can you post the link to that log and photo?

 

[Ramo machine]

i Just started my cycle of

Test E 500mgs/ml a week

stacking with Primo 500 mgs a week

cycle 12 weeks

pct

nolva clomid and prob hcg 2 weeks before last injection




, should i use winny or the primo boln

Both good for lean gains and fat imobolizer

 

[Omen]

Albuterol........not a steroid but cuts fat and has a decent(small effect) Anabolic effect, taken with the Ketotifen every 3rd week, it will cut fat AND build muscle, NO PCT, nothing.......everything is the same when you're off

Only thing I'm noticing is that it has to be taken with a non-keto lower fat diet to work at it's best.

 

[Grambo]

Have any thoughts on why omen? What have u noticed? Whats best potocol, 12mgs a day?

 

[dezzy84]

You must be very,very ectomorphic or you're doing way,way too much cardio. That 'cardio is catabolic' myth is load of total BS, and is just an excuse bodybuilders use to NOT do their cardio (which can be excrutiatingly boring, I admit!)
Another load of crap is the notion that you *must* use anabolic hormones to cut without 'losing muscle' - another complete and total pile! True, steroids can help you drop bodyfat faster without losing muscle - but it is completely possible to get your bodyfat to competition levels without losing all of your hard earned LBM. It just takes discipline and the right training and dieting techniques.

For me, 4-5 20-30 minute sessions a week is plenty to promote fat loss. There's no way that's going to cannabalize your muscle tissue - unless you have a poor diet.

BV

Ditto. I have not been doing cardio the past 2 weeks cause I'm bulking. I can see the difference. I putting on a little fat, and water. Cardio is great for your heart, I feel more energetic, and the sweating involved clean out the toxins. And I am a ecto fo sho. 15 min does the trick for me. Just make sure you get them cals bro.

 

[brk_nemesis]

Var worked wonders for me. Leaned out on minimal cardio, and still had descent gains.

 

[Bodybuilder20]

What about Masteron? Has anyone tried it? I've heard it gets you lookin jacked.

 

[CHAPS]

fatburners

illegal: clen, t3, dnp, gh
legal: leviathon reloaded, Recreate, Lipo-derm ultra/Napalm
anabolic: Tren, Anavar,masteron,gh,igf-1,primo,dianabol

The primo and dianabol are in their for their effects on cortisol so they can help you hold mass while dieting, yes that's right you CAN diet on D-bol i've seen it. Igf-1 is more of a nutrient partitioner and increases insulin sensitivity so i always find it helps keep fat off or get me leaner. For steroids Tren is king, drastic changs in bodycomposition can be made in record time with this baby. I've never used Anavar but i have several friends who report loosing abdominal fat alot faster while using it, and that's male AND females. Masteron is an androgen with no estogen conversion it will make you look harder as well as help cut fat (tren is still king though).

For the illegal burners i don't see the reason to use these much if at all anymore, t3 at low doses 25-50mcg tops, clen i'd avoid all together same goes for DNP, i've never used gh but if you can afford it have at it. I just find you feel a hell of alot better on an otc burner combined with a good diet and a reasonable amount of gear. Recreate is excellent as is Leviathan Reloaded, the lipo-derm/napalm are more geared towards fat release.

Buttttt only the compounds in the world won't get you lean unless you have a good diet and know what works for you, experiment ALOT till you find out what works and what doesn't. I've made the mistake of shotgunning supplements to drop fat when i should have overhauled my diet some more. Hope this helps.

 

[guapitomark]

Another good way to burn fat is to exercise large muscle groups by doing dead lifts, bench press and squats. I sweat like a mofo when doing my squats! I personally like to do my leg exercises (squats, leg press, leg extension, calf raises) and then run @ 6.5-7.0 mph on the treadmill for an hour - that's good sh*t right there!!!

Also, diet, diet, diet! And don't eat after 6pm (if you really want to burn fat).
Hydroxy Cut Harcore by Muscletech can also be added to your diet.