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Best Fat fighting Compound?

What's the best Compound to use in an effort to reduce BF.

  • Test

    Votes: 24 7.6%

  • Bold

    Votes: 5 1.6%

  • Stanazol

    Votes: 67 21.3%

  • Anavar

    Votes: 38 12.1%

  • Tren

    Votes: 180 57.3%
  • Total voters
    314
first of all i repeat i am the same guy i repeat steroids do not burn fat do not burn fat. androgens do not burn fat. I have seen this on every board again and again and so have u. These guys wanna lose the fat the easy way there is no easy way . even with these supplements you will not burn fat faster than busting your ass in the gym and eating right.

Whoever posts this is obviously thinking gee i post a poll and which ever one steroid comes first i will do it and lose weight without doing cardio and diet. It may seem boring but that is the truth. The truth hurts i repeat steroids do not burn fat .

Now this does have something to do with the topic because just go to any webstie bodybuilding and do a search infact do it here which steriods burn the most fat and you will find hundreds of useless posts. why because people want magic pills steroids are not magic pills and i feel this post has everything to do with topic.

im the roid monkey and i know your jealous i would be to when your 275 pds and 6 1 under 20 percent bodyfat sorry the truth hurts. they call me the roid monkey juicin is my game and burning newbies without any knowledge like you is my game. if your not down with the monkey i got two words suck it the winny that is if you wanna lose weight the wrong way. diet and cardio equal honest hard work roids equal monkey piss once you piss out the juice you look back to normal.
 
1ad man said:
first of all i repeat i am the same guy i repeat steroids do not burn fat do not burn fat. androgens do not burn fat. I have seen this on every board again and again and so have u. These guys wanna lose the fat the easy way there is no easy way . even with these supplements you will not burn fat faster than busting your ass in the gym and eating right.

Whoever posts this is obviously thinking gee i post a poll and which ever one steroid comes first i will do it and lose weight without doing cardio and diet. It may seem boring but that is the truth. The truth hurts i repeat steroids do not burn fat .

Now this does have something to do with the topic because just go to any webstie bodybuilding and do a search infact do it here which steriods burn the most fat and you will find hundreds of useless posts. why because people want magic pills steroids are not magic pills and i feel this post has everything to do with topic.

im the roid monkey and i know your jealous i would be to when your 275 pds and 6 1 under 20 percent bodyfat sorry the truth hurts. they call me the roid monkey juicin is my game and burning newbies without any knowledge like you is my game. if your not down with the monkey i got two words suck it the winny that is if you wanna lose weight the wrong way. diet and cardio equal honest hard work roids equal monkey piss once you piss out the juice you look back to normal.
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:wtf: First, Get over yourself. Second, take a look around, this ain't that type of board. Take that **** to the getbig board or somewhere where flaming people like that is the norm. Besides that the question is which compound facilitates fat loss best. Not which roids burns fat.
 
jarhead said:
:wtf: First, Get over yourself. Second, take a look around, this ain't that type of board. Take that **** to the getbig board or somewhere where flaming people like that is the norm. Besides that the question is which compound facilitates fat loss best. Not which roids burns fat.
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My thoughts exactly ... thank you for saying what we all where thinking! I wasn't about to waste my time.

Now lets all get back on subject!
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
:wtf:
I vet inject vit/min mix with AMP? Simple as that? Then why isn't it widly talked about? What are some pro's/con's? Sides/Benifits?

Thanks,
Sprt
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I don't think theres that much info on it. if you try to look it up, you find places that sell it, and give their info about it. From what I understand it was originally used in France to combat wasting syndrome in AIDS patients or something.

The ingrediets are
adenosine monophosphate
Heptaminolv(An amino alcohol that has been used as a myocardial stimulant and vasodilator and to relieve bronchospasm)
B12
Selenium
Magnesium Aspartate
Potassium Aspartate

I don't think many people have used it as a bodybuilding supplement, well that i know of anyway. I mean if it was something that worked really well I think there would be more to it. I mean look at DNP, not many people use it but at least people know what it does, or can do.

Personally I wouldn't even bother. I mean if you wanted to, you could always brush up on the individual ingredients, and come to your own conclusion as to how it can be beneficial in a bodybuilding nature.
 
Nothing is quite like Tren... no AAS directly causes fat loss but you can recomp quite easily on Tren. It's highly androgenic, bumps the meto a lot, decreases cortisol (maybe more than most AAS?), and leads to dry, quality gains.

I found it amazing how I leaned out on a Test/Tren cycle and I wasnt even adjusting my diet to do so. It was a bulking cycle (although fairly clean).

Test/Tren + Diet/Cardio + Clen or EC = major recomp

Just remember as with almost any compound - the results you get are almost always directly proportional to the price you pay. Tren shut me down, hard. I also noticed a lot more sides than with more common compounds. It's also probably the most taxing from a mental standpoint. If you arent stable upstairs already - dont go here. Some heavy tren users have even gone so far as to suggest longterm mental effects from tren - pronounced PCT depression, paranoia, anxiety...
 
Alpine said:
Nothing is quite like Tren... no AAS directly causes fat loss but you can recomp quite easily on Tren. It's highly androgenic, bumps the meto a lot, decreases cortisol (maybe more than most AAS?), and leads to dry, quality gains.

I found it amazing how I leaned out on a Test/Tren cycle and I wasnt even adjusting my diet to do so. It was a bulking cycle (although fairly clean).

Test/Tren + Diet/Cardio + Clen or EC = major recomp

Just remember as with almost any compound - the results you get are almost always directly proportional to the price you pay. Tren shut me down, hard. I also noticed a lot more sides than with more common compounds. It's also probably the most taxing from a mental standpoint. If you arent stable upstairs already - dont go here. Some heavy tren users have even gone so far as to suggest longterm mental effects from tren - pronounced PCT depression, paranoia, anxiety...
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Now that's the kind of reply I lost to read. Good info bro. You seem to know your ****!

I too lean out while "on" it seems regardless of the compounds used. I have noticed, though, that while on tren the leans are a little more pronounced. Last time I used tren I ran it along winny and EQ for 10wks ... I only had tren ace ... The injections literally sucked f*cking balls (EOD injections). I did it however, and like you, without a change in diet dropped over 2 inches on my waste. My diet was clean as well, and I was running alot of cardio. I managed to gain only 4lbs that cycle, but the before and after was amazing. I was very satisfied.

Now, however, with all androgens/anabolics aside I'm going to just beat the hell out of my belly fat (which I think are mainly due to estrogenic sides post cycle which I seem to suffer EVERY cycle -- I find myself to be very estro sensitive; which means long term nolva and/letrozol use is needed post cycle). I'm going with DNP 7 to 14 days then 2weeks of them back on. During the 2wks off I'll be using Clen. During the entire duration of this attempt to rid myself of love handles I'm also going to be applying lipoderm-ultra daily through out.

I have later plan for a Winny/Test/tren/EQ/Var cycle which should help further my recomp attempts. I'm confident that I will do fine. Especially since I've spent the last 6days (literally) cooking my own foods, vacuum bagging them, and freezing them -- healthy stuff of course.

I'd like to keep a log in the other forum ... would any of you be interested or am I wasting my time? Before and after pictures will be taken and shown at the end. I might through in a couple progress too a few time through out the log.

Log/Traning/Diet/Supplimintation started MONDAY!!!!
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
Tren wins over anavar - hum .. what about DNP. lol!!!!
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If I were you I would not take DNP.... it is sooo not worth it bro!

I tried it once followed all the protocol and took low doses and in five days I was in the emergency room! I really thought I was going to die!
Some people can handle it (and still **** themself up regardless...major cell mitochondria dammage) and some cant (death or neardeath) and there is only one way to find out...
Put two and two together... if your smart you will stay away from DNP and if you are a fking retard then you will take dnp and see what happens....
 
i had a question i met this dude in the gym and he said i have alot of mass just gotta fix my stomach and he says take winstrol and watch the stomach go. NOw i have question will winstrol burn fat please help well my stomach go away does winny burn fat thanks
 
Im orry to haear about you oril deaing with DNP, but I havea abskotuylu zero sides and lost 20lbs or more in 30 as give or take a couple dsyd.

You just nt be able to hve th e body capable of handle such compunds. i do houeve, and a I love the ****. Many other ll agree with me and my eperiences i can dafely bet.

You wanna ose BF fast = DNP handsdown!!
Sprt
 
1ad man said:
i had a question i met this dude in the gym and he said i have alot of mass just gotta fix my stomach and he says take winstrol and watch the stomach go. NOw i have question will winstrol burn fat please help well my stomach go away does winny burn fat thanks
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Your an idiot, I mde the pol and if I had I to do er againi woudld have but DNP.

Also to aswer your question ... CARDIO!!!!
 
T3 is the best imo t3 and fina is insane togehter and the best combo ever although hardly anybody on here will reccomend it and i really wouldn't either but i use it is

FINA/HALO/t3 Halostein not Halodrol
 
Training for a marathon or triathlon was the only time I had a flat belly. (about 8-9% bf) I can't be sure I actually lost much muscle even though you'd think that all that O2/ LA threshold training would eat skeletal muscle. So, I believe certain 'easy gainers' can do extensive cardio with very positive results upon body comp.
 
Mixedup maybe you could help me out with a cutter i'm planning then i was thinkning somethign like this:


Weeks 1-10 200mg of test prop eod
Weeks 1-10 150mg tren ace eod
weeks 1-11 ,5mg cabergoline
weeks 1-12 12.5mg aromasin ed

Could you help me out with the t3 usage and i've always wanted to try Halotestin, how would you run it in the cycle i planned out? I'd wanna lower the tren if using it though to like 100mg eod.
 
In the middle of my cycles I use a T3 and clen cycle ....both of those combined with a good diet and cardio...you will lose BF ....T3 by itself will cause you to lose a bit of weight alone ...
t3 dosage

Day 1-3 25mg
Day 4-6 50mg
Day 7-9 75mg
Day 10-12 100mg
Day 13-15 75mg
Day 16-18 50mg
Day 19-21 25mg

This is the correct dosage to use and dont prolong use of T3 because it can cause a dependancy by shutting down your own thyroid production....Some take T4 "synthriod" the last 7 days to jump start your thyroids to start producing normally...

As far as using a AAS ...Tren Ace or maybe winny but that still wont give you what your looking for....If you are set on using take Tren Ace , T3, Clen then winny towards the end atmost....Good luck and remember the T3
 
In the middle of my cycles I use a T3 and clen cycle ....both of those combined with a good diet and cardio...you will lose BF ....T3 by itself will cause you to lose a bit of weight alone ...
t3 dosage

Day 1-3 25mg
Day 4-6 50mg
Day 7-9 75mg
Day 10-12 100mg
Day 13-15 75mg
Day 16-18 50mg
Day 19-21 25mg

This is the correct dosage to use and dont prolong use of T3 because it can cause a dependancy by shutting down your own thyroid production....Some take T4 "synthriod" the last 7 days to jump start your thyroids to start producing normally...

As far as using a AAS ...Tren Ace or maybe winny but that still wont give you what your looking for....If you are set on using take Tren Ace , T3, Clen then winny towards the end atmost....Good luck and remember the T3
 
In the middle of my cycles I use a T3 and clen cycle ....both of those combined with a good diet and cardio...you will lose BF ....T3 by itself will cause you to lose a bit of weight alone ...
t3 dosage

Day 1-3 25mg
Day 4-6 50mg
Day 7-9 75mg
Day 10-12 100mg
Day 13-15 75mg
Day 16-18 50mg
Day 19-21 25mg

This is the correct dosage to use and dont prolong use of T3 because it can cause a dependancy by shutting down your own thyroid production....Some take T4 "synthriod" the last 7 days to jump start your thyroids to start producing normally...

As far as using a AAS ...Tren Ace or maybe winny but that still wont give you what your looking for....If you are set on using take Tren Ace , T3, Clen then winny towards the end atmost....Good luck and remember the T3
 
i am 33 also and stay pretty cut year around. i have done a few cycles in my day, and my opinion the best that i ever look is when getting off everything and going strictly on diet. cardio deffinitely burns too much muscle for me, but everyone is different. up intensity on workouts (supersets and drops) and really learn about your body when it comes to diet. read about things like flax and sesamin, which not only help with the fat loss but in my opinion do a hell of alot for getting you hormones back on track. bottom line try to give 130% on natural, and then if you cant get there look into juice
 
WOW, I didn't know this thread was still up ... Good to see it! I've had a bit of experience since my last post. I'd like to make some suggestions. Since having last visited, I've tried DNP & T3.

In regard to the DNP, if used responsibly this stuff can bring you a huge advantage. The sides are pretty bad, however. I managed to lose 26lbs in 30days on this stuff; most of this weight being BF, but some unfortunately was LBM which is to be expected I think. I did two 14day cycles. The first cycle was 200mg ED for 5days and the remaining 9 days at 400mg. The second cycle was 400mg for the first 5 days and the remaining days at 600mg. I didn't finish the second cycle. I believe I ended it around day 10. I was feeling ill and decided to see a doctor; good thing too. Doc kept me over night and said I was suffering from dehydration and heat exhaustion. If I hadn't gone to see the doc, there is a chance (although I don't know how big) that I might not be here. DNP aint no joke! Be careful with it!!

The T3 was used along side Clen in an effort to rid myself of the last little bid of belly fat I had left after the DNP. Sadly, the T3 ate up more muscle than it did BF. My diet was the main cause for this, IMO. So I urge those interested in trying T3 to use sparingly and/or while on AAS. I wont use the stuff again unless I'm on juice.

All in all both where good products. I wont be using either of the two (well I'm on DNP right now -- I have a log up, check it out) unless I have diet in check. Had diet been what it should have been during these experiments my results would have been better. & not to say I didn't get results, I did, but I would have liked to keep the BF off and have kept some of the LBM I lost.

Thanks,
Sprt

PS: since I'm currently on cycle, I'll be running T3 again towards the back end of this cycle. I'll be using Tren/Var/Prop along with it. Wish me luck.
 
James said:
Tren even at low dosages helps me lean out and hardens me up a lot
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I'm looking to use it at a low dose for the first time. What kind of low dosage do you run?
 
Tom 185 said:
I thought that was the average dose?

I was thinking more along the lines of 50mg EOD
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It is average ... buts its farily low, IMO. If your going to run tren, at least run it at 75mg EOD. There isnt much difference 50mg to 75mg. Tren is a harsh compound on the body. Its will shut u down, and shut you down hard even at 50mg. just seems pointless to go through th motions without receiving the full benifit.

Also, I wouldnt run tren alone. prop would be a good choice. tren dose of sides which can often lead to temporary impotence while on. Its called tren ****; most have heard of it. The prop will keep that in line.

Sprt
 
James said:
As low as 20mg a day…
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You dont think 20mg is to low? i would almost consider this ineffective and a waste of time. have you run tren @ 20mg EOD before? just curious man ... I've honestly never heard of anyone running it lower than 75mg.

Sprt
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
You dont think 20mg is to low? i would almost consider this ineffective and a waste of time. have you run tren @ 20mg EOD before? just curious man ... I've honestly never heard of anyone running it lower than 75mg.

Sprt
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It works for me so I don’t bother taking more… never tried 20mg eod… just ed
 
well my tren ace is dosed at 75mg/ml so i will probably be measuring it out to 0.9........running it at 60mg EOD for 8 weeks during the backend of a 14 week test enanthate cycle
 
it looks like james knows what he is doing. i ahve said it lots of times on this board low doses are always better, in my opinion. frrst off you dont saturate your receptors, so you still get good results from it. if you start small you can always go small and get away from most of the side effects. you also dont have near the shutdown or the looping effect. getting back to normal should always be your big concern.. if you have to constantly be on a lot of **** to get results what are you really......just fake muscle. you want to USE to enhance......not toALWAYS rely on..... RESULTS ARE WHAT YOU ARE After. that way your body still works the way that it was designed to but you still have all of the results to show from it. my body and my pictures speek for themselves, like many of the other people on the board.
 
James said:
It works for me so I don’t bother taking more… never tried 20mg eod… just ed
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If 75mg works you bro ... more power to you. If 20mg worked for I would use it. ED is makes sense now that you said that. At the end of the week @ 75mg EOD you get 225mg to 300mg (depending on your injection schedule). At the end of the week @ 20mg ED you get 140mg. So a little less than half the normal dose. That's not to bad.

TOM: Tren at the back end of your current cycle will be nice. I also run Tren at the back end of most of my cycles too. It really hardens you up.

BDAD: there isnt anything wrong with low doses. That is as long as you start out low. Most people dont though. WHY? Because they listen to general consensus; which is the average. No newbie is going to start out at 250mg/wk when everyone is telling them to run 500mg/wk. Get my point.

Again, there isnt anything wrong with low dose/tolerance to compounds. & your right that this stuff is for enhancement and not to reply on. Good points. I just so happens this isnt realistic for most. Juice is a crutch. It is depended on. But hey ... if we all lived in a perfect world.

Sprt
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
TOM: Tren at the back end of your current cycle will be nice. I also run Tren at the back end of most of my cycles too. It really hardens you up.
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Yea right now i am running

1-6 dbol 40/50/50/50/50/50
1-14 enanthate 840mg

i'm not sure whether to add my tren ace to the backend of this cycle or if i should wait a year after this cycle and run

regardless i will be running igf-1 with this pct and possibly 1,2 or even 3 cycles of igf/mgf after that and before my next cycle of anabolics

1-4 superdrol
1-14 enanthate 600mg or more
and tren ace 60mg EOD for 7-8 weeks

i also want to use anavar soon
 
Tom 185 said:
Yea right now i am running

1-6 dbol 40/50/50/50/50/50
1-14 enanthate 840mg

i'm not sure whether to add my tren ace to the backend of this cycle or if i should wait a year after this cycle and run

regardless i will be running igf-1 with this post cycle therapy and possibly 1,2 or even 3 cycles of igf/mgf after that and before my next cycle of anabolics

1-4 superdrol
1-14 enanthate 600mg or more
and tren ace 60mg EOD for 7-8 weeks

i also want to use anavar soon
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Do this:
1-14 Test E
12-16 Tren A.

I assume your going to run igf duriong PCT, which is fine. What I mean by the above suggestion is to start your tren whenever really, but take it during the 2wks prior to your last Test E injection. This way you have Tren support as the Test E exits the body and your not sitting stagnant waiting to start PCT. After you last Tren inject wait 48hr and start PCT with your IGF. You get what I'm saying?

I too am going to use igf during PCT. I've used mgf (and have some extras) but didnt get much out of it from what I noticed.

Anavar is great. You'll like it ... its real mild but very effective. My last cycle I ran it solo for 8wks with igf. If you check my log I posted a picture of myself mid cycle @ 180lbs probably 12-13% BF.

Hope this helps,
Sprt
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
Do this:
1-14 Test E
12-16 Tren A.

I assume your going to run igf duriong post cycle therapy, which is fine. What I mean by the above suggestion is to start your tren whenever really, but take it during the 2wks prior to your last Test E injection. This way you have Tren support as the Test E exits the body and your not sitting stagnant waiting to start PCT. After you last Tren inject wait 48hr and start PCT with your IGF. You get what I'm saying?

I too am going to use igf during PCT. I've used mgf (and have some extras) but didnt get much out of it from what I noticed.

Anavar is great. You'll like it ... its real mild but very effective. My last cycle I ran it solo for 8wks with igf. If you check my log I posted a picture of myself mid cycle @ 180lbs probably 12-13% BF.

Hope this helps,
Sprt
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good stuff. Due to the hard shutdown, I was thinking of starting and ending the tren a little sooner than that. Like inject them together on the last day? I also wanted to use everything i have...20ml at 75mg/ml...which would get me about 8 weeks running it between 60-75mg

how were your strength gains on anavar? what dose did you use? i was thinking of running it for 6-8 weeks @ 50-60mg with test when i eventually run it

reps to you
 
Tom 185 said:
good stuff. Due to the hard shutdown, I was thinking of starting and ending the tren a little sooner than that. Like inject them together on the last day? I also wanted to use everything i have...20ml at 75mg/ml...which would get me about 8 weeks running it between 60-75mg

how were your strength gains on anavar? what dose did you use? i was thinking of running it for 6-8 weeks @ 50-60mg with test when i eventually run it

reps to you
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I assume you'll already be shut down from the Test E. Once your shut down, your shut down. The tren isnt going to shut you down any harder. 8wks on Tren A is a lot of injections. I would go with Tren E instead, but as you stated you already have the Tren A on hand. Hum ... if you can handle the injection then by all means, do it. If you cant, 4wks is plenty long. Tren A is in and out quick. It will do what it is made to do in that time.

As for the anavar ... I ran it for 8wks @ 40mg ED. Strength was great. I was using it in an attempt to maintain more than anything. If you read up on anavar, its used in treatments for wasting diseases such as AIDs and some cancers. My focus wasn't on strength and size so much. The igf help out a lot as well. Given that I was on igf its hard to determine which was what. You know what I'm saying.

Var/Test will be decent ... What are your goals currently?

Sprt
 
SprtNvolcoM said:
I assume you'll already be shut down from the Test E. Once your shut down, your shut down. The tren isnt going to shut you down any harder. 8wks on Tren A is a lot of injections. I would go with Tren E instead, but as you stated you already have the Tren A on hand. Hum ... if you can handle the injection then by all means, do it. If you cant, 4wks is plenty long. Tren A is in and out quick. It will do what it is made to do in that time.

As for the anavar ... I ran it for 8wks @ 40mg ED. Strength was great. I was using it in an attempt to maintain more than anything. If you read up on anavar, its used in treatments for wasting diseases such as AIDs and some cancers. My focus wasn't on strength and size so much. The igf help out a lot as well. Given that I was on igf its hard to determine which was what. You know what I'm saying.

Var/Test will be decent ... What are your goals currently?

Sprt
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I see. I have never used tren so i def want to use acetate before touching tren enanthate. Currently my goals are strength and getting back to 205. I dropped weight for mma at 185 and now im sitting at 195 in week 2 of test/dbol. I think anavar will be great when I want to keep gaining strength while not gaining too much weight. I am also competing in a powerlifting competition...1 event per week....for 4 weeks....starts in 2 weeks

sorry...wont let me rep you...ill get u eventually
 
Tom 185 said:
I see. I have never used tren so i def want to use acetate before touching tren enanthate. Currently my goals are strength and getting back to 205. I dropped weight for mma at 185 and now im sitting at 195 in week 2 of test/dbol. I think anavar will be great when I want to keep gaining strength while not gaining too much weight. I am also competing in a powerlifting competition...1 event per week....for 4 weeks....starts in 2 weeks

sorry...wont let me rep you...ill get u eventually
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tren ace is awesome. im on it right now. i recently had to drop to 185 for mma too, maybe we fought each other.:think: Anavar would be great for competitions: lifting and mma.
p.s. you can rep me any time:head:
 
I am sure Test and the rest of the gear helps - but you need to Burn off fat - so either 20 min High Intensity, or 45 min low intensity (65% of max heart rate) is important. In the morning before breakfast, and if you dare - after your weight training at night. Take BCAAs before and even during to make sure you do not lose too much muscle in the process. L Glutamine as well. Check out LEANOUT from beverly international - the lower your BF% the more of a challenge and the more you will need supps like CLA, 7-Keto, and eventually if you are cutting your total calories systematically, you will be low on carbs (say 20%) and low on fats (under 10%). So you will need some STIMULANTS - Stimerex-ES is great (if it has not been banned already) - lots of them on the market. Well thats my 2 cents - I hit 6.65% doing this on a fish, sweet potato and greens diet for a show - drink lots of water all day - Gear will help - but if you eat high saturated fats and sugar (spikes your insulin) the gear will not help enough. good luck
 
THETEST said:
I am sure Test and the rest of the gear helps - but you need to Burn off fat - so either 20 min High Intensity, or 45 min low intensity (65% of max heart rate) is important. In the morning before breakfast, and if you dare - after your weight training at night. Take BCAAs before and even during to make sure you do not lose too much muscle in the process. L Glutamine as well. Check out LEANOUT from beverly international - the lower your BF% the more of a challenge and the more you will need supps like CLA, 7-Keto, and eventually if you are cutting your total calories systematically, you will be low on carbs (say 20%) and low on fats (under 10%). So you will need some STIMULANTS - Stimerex-ES is great (if it has not been banned already) - lots of them on the market. Well thats my 2 cents - I hit 6.65% doing this on a fish, sweet potato and greens diet for a show - drink lots of water all day - Gear will help - but if you eat high saturated fats and sugar (spikes your insulin) the gear will not help enough. good luck
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I couldnt agree with you more my friend.
Sprt

Reps for you!! :head:
 
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