Belly Fat

I'm reading all these posts that say 'only eat protein,' or carbs are bad. I think it's a little misleading... you can eat small servings that contain healthy low GI carbs, and of course fats like EFA's. Eat protein only and risk gluconeogensis, you can get fat from protein by itself.


Also I'm not sure about morning BCAA's. I think leucine is the only BCAA that isn't going to convert to glucose. So I think leucine while doing fasted cardio would be the way to go.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I disagree. His carb intake is not too low for his goals. "unhealthy" is something I'd like clarification on from you, oh wise personal trainer.

You can't just prescribe a standard macronutrient amount, and use a cookie cutter approach for everyone. People respond differently to different approaches. I would think a personal trainer such as yourself would know this...

I for one use a CKD approach and it works wonders for me with almost any goal... It may not work for him, or you, but you need to find out for yourself and not take what people say as gospel in this forum.

You are too adamant with your advice, and that is what irks me. I have met many personal trainers who are for one, fat slobs, and secondly employ the most archaic training philosophies around... to the point that they could be construed as unqualified to help anyone.

The fact that you used the term "unhealthy" for his carb quota is very significant. I would love an explanation from you as to why you would think any amount of carbs would postulate an effect on health.
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It's not what i've studied. It's what i've seen from experience. Sure he will lose weight and possibly hit his weight loss goal but it's not a long term solution.

I'm sorry your opinion of personal trainers is bad but this also makes you biased. Also low carb worked for you so you promote it well but as you know you cannot stay on that diet for long term success.

I said unhealthy because the man is 245lbs. That wouldn't be so unhealthy for a guy who is around 160lbs. Carbs are the bodies first and best choice for energy. Why suffer? You can make yourself sick when your amino acids are used more for energy then they are for immune system, mental health and many many of your bodies processes. Maybe you don't see the short term effects..but it's like no sleep eventually it will catch up with you and when it does the effects can be permanent

As a personal trainer my job is to give healthy recommendations and a majority of health professionals would not tell someone of his weight to bring his carbs down that low. It may work and yeah different diets work for different people but all success can be achieved with hard work and staying healthy is the key to that.

Next time before lashing out maybe you could say I disagree but why do you feel that way? ;)
 
Flaw said:
It's not what i've studied. It's what i've seen from experience. Sure he will lose weight and possibly hit his weight loss goal but it's not a long term solution.

I'm sorry your opinion of personal trainers is bad but this also makes you biased. Also low carb worked for you so you promote it well but as you know you cannot stay on that diet for long term success.

I said unhealthy because the man is 245lbs. That wouldn't be so unhealthy for a guy who is around 160lbs. Carbs are the bodies first and best choice for energy. Why suffer? You can make yourself sick when your amino acids are used more for energy then they are for immune system, mental health and many many of your bodies processes. Maybe you don't see the short term effects..but it's like no sleep eventually it will catch up with you and when it does the effects can be permanent

As a personal trainer my job is to give healthy recommendations and a majority of health professionals would not tell someone of his weight to bring his carbs down that low. It may work and yeah different diets work for different people but all success can be achieved with hard work and staying healthy is the key to that.

Next time before lashing out maybe you could say I disagree but why do you feel that way? ;)
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dude thats sweet..i graduated from NPTI......i got laid quite a few times being a personal trainer....:D ...dont hate UBI...he just had an operation that combined his upper body with a unicorn.........plus he's a west coaster......:toofunny:
 
TripDog said:
dude thats sweet..i graduated from NPTI......i got laid quite a few times being a personal trainer....:D ...dont hate UBI...he just had an operation that combined his upper body with a unicorn.........plus he's a west coaster......:toofunny:
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Yeah.. it's easy to be sexually active if that's your goal in this industry. Do you still train and what school did you go to?
 
Flaw said:
Yeah.. it's easy to be sexually active if that's your goal in this industry. Do you still train and what school did you go to?
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i went to the school in Orlando,i just quit my job cause im moving up north in like 3 days.....NPTI is a Great school!!!!:hammer: ...i def learned a lot there......landed a sweet head trainer job...i walked in said i was an npti grad...they hired me right there..!!
 
TripDog said:
i went to the school in Orlando,i just quit my job cause im moving up north in like 3 days.....NPTI is a Great school!!!!:hammer: ...i def learned a lot there......landed a sweet head trainer job...i walked in said i was an npti grad...they hired me right there..!!
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Cool, yeah npti was great. Had a lot of fun, learned a lot. It changed my life. A lot of money but I wouldn't take it back. Did you go to school with girl named marissa t. ? She went to the orlando location. I went to school in philadelphia and now I live in jacksonville. I Definetly miss the north. where you moving to?
 
Flaw said:
Cool, yeah npti was great. Had a lot of fun, learned a lot. It changed my life. A lot of money but I wouldn't take it back. Did you go to school with girl named marissa t. ? She went to the orlando location. I went to school in philadelphia and now I live in jacksonville. I Definetly miss the north. where you moving to?
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movin up to new hampshire..yea it was madd $$$$,and i stayed at their appartments...sh*t was close to 8 grand....J-ville is awsome.....im moving from party land daytona....dont know a marissa tho...
 
Flaw said:
It's not what i've studied. It's what i've seen from experience. Sure he will lose weight and possibly hit his weight loss goal but it's not a long term solution.

I'm sorry your opinion of personal trainers is bad but this also makes you biased. Also low carb worked for you so you promote it well but as you know you cannot stay on that diet for long term success.
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I've been cycling carbs in and out of my diet, and employing ketosis for over 6 years. That's long term in my eyes.

Flaw said:
I said unhealthy because the man is 245lbs. That wouldn't be so unhealthy for a guy who is around 160lbs. Carbs are the bodies first and best choice for energy. Why suffer? You can make yourself sick when your amino acids are used more for energy then they are for immune system, mental health and many many of your bodies processes. Maybe you don't see the short term effects..but it's like no sleep eventually it will catch up with you and when it does the effects can be permanent
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Say what? In ketosis your body uses fat stores and dietary fat as it's main source of energy. To use amino acids as you say, it would require gluconeogenisis, something you do not want on my particular diet... The only way it would do such a thing is if the diet was absent in fat as well as carbohydrates.

Flaw said:
As a personal trainer my job is to give healthy recommendations and a majority of health professionals would not tell someone of his weight to bring his carbs down that low. It may work and yeah different diets work for different people but all success can be achieved with hard work and staying healthy is the key to that.
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There you go with the health point. The body can go a lifetime without carbs. Inuit do it almost exclusively. If you are speaking of vitamin deficiency, that can be prevented with supplements. As I've said I've been CKD, ketogenic for over 6 years and my doctor says I'm the model of health. Go figure.

Flaw said:
Next time before lashing out maybe you could say I disagree but why do you feel that way? ;)
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I did say "I disagree", and told you exactly why I feel that way.

And if I lashed out at you, you would know it.

I say you put up a picture of yourself to substantiate how worthy you are to be giving advice.
 
k...lets see the pic!!!!!!!!!!:hammer: :hammer: :hammer: ...ubi any problems from surgery bro...lol
 
Yeah, the centaur-bonding procedure made me surly.

having half a horse-body makes you kind of pissy.. what can I say.
 
Ubiquitous said:
Yeah, the centaur-bonding procedure made me surly.

having half a horse-body makes you kind of pissy.. what can I say.
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:toofunny: true...true......
 
cmp007 said:
Only thing thats hard for me is the time to do cardio. I work so much I have no time to do it in the morning other than about 2 days a week.
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time to do cardio? i only thought i had the same problem, when i did the following because in the summer i work 12-18 hour shifts for about 3 mths............so i would workout in the morning,give myself 1 hour(or so) to hit the gym that's 1/2 hour of weights (high intensity) very little rest between sets (1 min. max) then about 25 minutes of cardio (all on and empty stomach) and dude coming from a guy that for 3 months works 65 to 75 hours a week (Mon-sat.) do not come on this board talk crap to trip and saying "i have no time" ....if i complained or quit and made excuses everytime i was "too busy" I'd be stuck in the same position at my job and i would NEVER work out...it's real easy to get over-sensitive when someone works alot.....that might be why you responded the way you did....and that's forgiveable....but being blunt and to the point is not being cruel or a d***.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I've been cycling carbs in and out of my diet, and employing ketosis for over 6 years. That's long term in my eyes.



Say what? In ketosis your body uses fat stores and dietary fat as it's main source of energy. To use amino acids as you say, it would require gluconeogenisis, something you do not want on my particular diet... The only way it would do such a thing is if the diet was absent in fat as well as carbohydrates.



There you go with the health point. The body can go a lifetime without carbs. Inuit do it almost exclusively. If you are speaking of vitamin deficiency, that can be prevented with supplements. As I've said I've been CKD, ketogenic for over 6 years and my doctor says I'm the model of health. Go figure.



I did say "I disagree", and told you exactly why I feel that way.

And if I lashed out at you, you would know it.

I say you put up a picture of yourself to substantiate how worthy you are to be giving advice.
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I'm familar with ketosis but I explained my point of reason. I don't need to go any further cause you just wanna argue. Looks aren't everything, I guess you haven't figured that out yet. I think all those low carb diets are making you cranky ;) A large portion of people get cranky when they hit ketosis. I won't take it personal.:thumbsup:
 
Flaw said:
I'm familar with ketosis but I explained my point of reason. I don't need to go any further cause you just wanna argue. Looks aren't everything, I guess you haven't figured that out yet. I think all those low carb diets are making you cranky ;) A large portion of people get cranky when they hit ketosis. I won't take it personal.:thumbsup:
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Dude, you're a trainer, not a nutritionist. Ubi isn't cranky. We just haven't had a Snuggle Club meeting in a while.
 
PumpingIron said:
Dude, you're a trainer, not a nutritionist. Ubi isn't cranky. We just haven't had a Snuggle Club meeting in a while.
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No, I am legally allowed to prescribe diets and supplements. I have also interned with a md/rd that has had over 40 years experience and labs. I know what ketosis is but i guess the point is being missed. My job is a personal trainer and that's were i make my living but as a personal trainer I give out advice that is healthy. There is no health risk by telling this man a 500 calorie deficit would be a good way to start. Going with such a low carb intake is another story.
 
Flaw said:
I'm familar with ketosis but I explained my point of reason. I don't need to go any further cause you just wanna argue. Looks aren't everything, I guess you haven't figured that out yet. I think all those low carb diets are making you cranky A large portion of people get cranky when they hit ketosis. I won't take it personal.
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I have read the reports on the effects that ketosis has on Seratonin. There is obviously some truth to that.

Flaw, in all seriousness, looks should play a huge role if you are shopping for a trainer. It basically shows that the trainer has a semblance of knowledge on how to get results, if only for themself as an individual. I would never ask for a session from a fat, weak trainer. Some people do, unbelievably.


Flaw said:
No, I am legally allowed to prescribe diets and supplements. I have also interned with a md/rd that has had over 40 years experience and labs. I know what ketosis is but i guess the point is being missed. My job is a personal trainer and that's were i make my living but as a personal trainer I give out advice that is healthy. There is no health risk by telling this man a 500 calorie deficit would be a good way to start. Going with such a low carb intake is another story.
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Thank you for again bringing up your point regarding health.

I am simply asking for you to properly cite reputable reports/papers/assays/whatever on how ketogenic diets, or even Cyclic ketogenic dieting (with carb refeeds) is bad for your health. I know there is a lot of hearsay from people who are adamantly opposed to low carb diets, and that is understandable as their diet works for them. I just try to defend them as I have success, and am also in good health. I take offense to you saying it is unhealthy. I am simply asking you to prove this to me. This is the main reason why I addressed you in this thread. You took it as lashing out, so be it.
 
jarhead said:
Biggest thing in my opinion is consistency. Even though you're frustrated, keep at it. Don't slack on diet OR cardio. Just keep plugging away and almost try and forget about it rather than obsess. It keeps you fresh. I too workout 12 hour shifts, sometimes 7 days a week. It sucks but if you want it bad enough it's worth it. Another thing to try is splitting up cardio. For example on weight training days I do 20-30 mins cardio after workout. Follow that with another 30 minutes or so later in the evening followed by only protein meals prior to bed. On non weight days, do the same just longer on the am cardio. Keep at it!
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I also will repeat what my friends mentioned here. 100% agree with trippdog. For me Fasted cardio: HIIT first thing is the morning works like magic. AT first you`ll feel like someone literally tried to kill ya....but after a week you`ll really LOVE IT. Try it. Also make sure you get some good Green tea throughout the day.
Good luck.
 
lennoxchi said:
time to do cardio? i only thought i had the same problem, when i did the following because in the summer i work 12-18 hour shifts for about 3 mths............so i would workout in the morning,give myself 1 hour(or so) to hit the gym that's 1/2 hour of weights (high intensity) very little rest between sets (1 min. max) then about 25 minutes of cardio (all on and empty stomach) and dude coming from a guy that for 3 months works 65 to 75 hours a week (Mon-sat.) do not come on this board talk crap to trip and saying "i have no time" ....if i complained or quit and made excuses everytime i was "too busy" I'd be stuck in the same position at my job and i would NEVER work out...it's real easy to get over-sensitive when someone works alot.....that might be why you responded the way you did....and that's forgiveable....but being blunt and to the point is not being cruel or a d***.
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Agree with you 100% bro
Good posting
 
When you have made the shift to being a fat burner, it doesn't matter what time of the day you do cardio as much. That is why I don't feel that doing morning cardio would be as beneficial, unless I was on a moderate carb diet.
 
neoborn said:
I think in a ways more like "why not" :). In all seriousness maybe it was because trip came across a lil too harsh and a lil too strong. But hey everything's fine now. So no worries.

Have a great day guys,

Neoborn
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Reviving a dead post. :wave:
 
I follow the max OT training style and a lot of the theories are much different from what you normally hear. It explains cardio should be spaced as far apart from weights as possible, instead of doing it right after weights which is what most people do. They also talk about not cutting sodium out of your diet as it aids in transporting nutrients to the muscle.

One thing I never understood is why training after weights is suppose to burn more "fat" calories??? I know that after doing weights your glycogen levels are depleted so energy is derived from fat more. But last time I checked there are only one type of calories you can burn. So who cares where they come from. Besides your body has to restore your glycogen levels throughout the day so you are burning more calories that way. Additionally you have a lot more energy doing cardio when you are still fresh and well nourished.

My conclusion is that cardio, no matter when you do it is all the same. HIIT is the way to go.
 
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