Bam Bam Goes Caveman-Mode: A Training Log

WAF said:
One thing i've done in the past if running multiple peps is i took a small piece of tape and wrote down how much bac water i diluted with, and also wrote it down in a log the day it was mixed. Favorites so far have been BPC-157/PEG MGF/HGH Frag. Havent tried IGF-DES thats my next one i think ill try.
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Good idea, i'll have to do that too tomorrow when I get the package.
I want to try DES too! But it was considerably more expensive and for my intentions, LR3 seemed to be the better route for PCT. How did you like the PEG MGF? Apparently that's a great thing to stack with IGF-1 DES. And what did you think of the HGH Frag?
 
BamBam0319 said:
Good idea, i'll have to do that too tomorrow when I get the package.
I want to try DES too! But it was considerably more expensive and for my intentions, LR3 seemed to be the better route for PCT. How did you like the PEG MGF? Apparently that's a great thing to stack with IGF-1 DES. And what did you think of the HGH Frag?
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I cycled between PEG MGF and LR3 and liked both but noticed i got better results on the PEG. Loved the HGH-Frag one of the reasons im going to be running it again soon probably once i start my Evomuse stack as i mentioned in that other thread. Felt the best with PEG, HGH and HGH-Frag. Some days i felt like **** on LR3 other days it was great. I've got some DAC and GHRP2 sitting here waiting also. Let me know how you like them bro always good to have new insight and good luck on the run.
 
WAF said:
I cycled between PEG MGF and LR3 and liked both but noticed i got better results on the PEG. Loved the HGH-Frag one of the reasons im going to be running it again soon probably once i start my Evomuse stack as i mentioned in that other thread. Felt the best with PEG, HGH and HGH-Frag. Some days i felt like **** on LR3 other days it was great. I've got some DAC and GHRP2 sitting here waiting also. Let me know how you like them bro always good to have new insight and good luck on the run.
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Awesome, I may look into trying PEG MGF after PCT!
In what ways did the Frag benefit you?
 
One thing I've noticed this past week is that my face has been getting really really oily. Like to the point where it looks like glistening sweat and it's shiny and everything. I'm going to guess it's the clomid?
 
One of the main things that turned me off of peptides was they had to be refrigerated and I didn't need everyone I was living with at the time to know about that! Lol
 
rascal14 said:
One of the main things that turned me off of peptides was they had to be refrigerated and I didn't need everyone I was living with at the time to know about that! Lol
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Yeah that would be an issue. Fortunately I live with roommates and not parents anymore, and I have a mini fridge in my room.
 
WAF said:
Lol my beer fridge doesn't have many beer I use it for exactly this.
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Haha perfect! Mine has beer in it too but gets drank at a very slow rate. I also keep Greek yogurts in there for late night snacking, a gallon of milk, a gallon of water, and a bunch of flavored water bottles.
Also anytime there's something I absolutely don't want my roommates to touch I'll throw it in there too.
 
Whoops, did hamstrings earlier.
Deadlift - sumo
135x10, 225x5, 315x3
4x365x8

Leg press
425x20, 605x20, 2x785x20

Seated leg curls
3x110x15
Superset with:
Lying leg curls
3x110x15

Standing calf press machine - slow, hard squeeze at top, stretch all the way at the bottom
4x90x15

Still weighing around 210.
 
BamBam0319 said:
One thing I've noticed this past week is that my face has been getting really really oily. Like to the point where it looks like glistening sweat and it's shiny and everything. I'm going to guess it's the clomid?
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Yep most likely

I've seen this happen to a few people
 
BeastFitness said:
Yep most likely

I've seen this happen to a few people
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I figured. I've started carrying face wipes in my backpack or gym bag (which I usually have with me at work too), so I can wipe that crap off without washing my face a million times a day.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I figured. I've started carrying face wipes in my backpack or gym bag (which I usually have with me at work too), so I can wipe that crap off without washing my face a million times a day.
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Oily skin is the worst, even if it's not causing breakouts. It makes me feel so gross lol

Now that I think about it mine was like that a couple months ago, it could have possibly been the Clomid as well.
 
rascal14 said:
Oily skin is the worst, even if it's not causing breakouts. It makes me feel so gross lol

Now that I think about it mine was like that a couple months ago, it could have possibly been the Clomid as well.
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I agree. I haven't really even been breaking out anymore, just very oily.
 
rascal14 said:
Oily skin is the worst, even if it's not causing breakouts. It makes me feel so gross lol

Now that I think about it mine was like that a couple months ago, it could have possibly been the Clomid as well.
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BamBam0319 said:
I agree. I haven't really even been breaking out anymore, just very oily.
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Clomid causes circulating levels of estradiol to increase and estradiol causes increased oil production (in your skin)

AKA

Oil face

:)
 
BeastFitness said:
Clomid causes circulating levels of estradiol to increase and estradiol causes increased oil production (in your skin)

AKA

Oil face

:)
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Voila, we're teenagers again! LOL
I have also noticed puffy nips so I've increased my aromasin dosage from 12.5mg EOD to 12.5mg ED. If that doesn't fix things up, I have letro as backup but I hate letro, so that will be a last resort. If anything I'll hunt down some raloxifene.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Voila, we're teenagers again! LOL
I have also noticed puffy nips so I've increased my aromasin dosage from 12.5mg EOD to 12.5mg ED. If that doesn't fix things up, I have letro as backup but I hate letro, so that will be a last resort. If anything I'll hunt down some raloxifene.
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Nolva?
 
BamBam0319 said:
Nolva could work too, but Ralox is supposed to be lots better at treating gyno symptoms. I suppose I could just grab some nolva instead.
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Your call! Anything is better than gyno ;) haha
 
So why are you choosing to run Lr3 at night? Is your focus mostly on leaning? Seems if fat loss isn't the main goal that Lr3 would be better used while you are taking in food not fasting at night where going hypo in your sleep is likely. Just curious.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So why are you choosing to run Lr3 at night? Is your focus mostly on leaning? Seems if fat loss isn't the main goal that Lr3 would be better used while you are taking in food not fasting at night where going hypo in your sleep is likely. Just curious.
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I picked the brains of criticalbench and that was his suggestion.
Do you think I'd be better off administering post workout?
 
MrKleen73 said:
So why are you choosing to run Lr3 at night? Is your focus mostly on leaning? Seems if fat loss isn't the main goal that Lr3 would be better used while you are taking in food not fasting at night where going hypo in your sleep is likely. Just curious.
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If on a keto diet or fat loss is goal hgh frag would be a better choice just my opinion. Personally I wouldn't want to take lr3 before bed as you can't monitor yourself when sleeping if you need carbs or a lil sugar. I've always ran lr3 about 1 1/2 before working out. Awesome pumps and great intake this way. Just be careful bro.
 
I wouldn't take LR3 at night…a lot of people theorize that at that time it will stimulate dormant cells -> cause a splicing with elevated IGF -> Hyperplasia or Hypertrophy

But the risk of going hypo at night isn't worth it PLUS I personally feel around your workout is better for longterm growth anyhow
 
WAF said:
If on a keto diet or fat loss is goal hgh frag would be a better choice just my opinion. Personally I wouldn't want to take lr3 before bed as you can't monitor yourself when sleeping if you need carbs or a lil sugar. I've always ran lr3 about 1 1/2 before working out. Awesome pumps and great intake this way. Just be careful bro.
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BeastFitness said:
I wouldn't take LR3 at night…a lot of people theorize that at that time it will stimulate dormant cells -> cause a splicing with elevated IGF -> Hyperplasia or Hypertrophy

But the risk of going hypo at night isn't worth it PLUS I personally feel around your workout is better for longterm growth anyhow
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Interesting, thanks guys. I may start combining it with my pre-workout HGH Frag dose, or directly post workout.
 
Hgh frag I administer first thing in the morning and right before bed. It will work better if you don't ingest any carbs but have some protein with it. Usually don't add any carbs till after working out ie doing a somewhat fasted cardio session but just include a protein shake. Usually about 3 hours after dosing I'll start back in the carbs. I dose before bed with frag with a protein shake and avoid carbs at least an hour before administrating 2nd dose. This has worked in the past for me but I'm sure someone has other ways that work also. Just try the lr3 with a lil carb load pre and during you'll see what I mean about the pump, and gains. I've never used lr3 for fat loss but for muscle gain fat loss is a great ancillary property I had though.
 
WAF said:
Hgh frag I administer first thing in the morning and right before bed. It will work better if you don't ingest any carbs but have some protein with it. Usually don't add any carbs till after working out ie doing a somewhat fasted cardio session but just include a protein shake. Usually about 3 hours after dosing I'll start back in the carbs. I dose before bed with frag with a protein shake and avoid carbs at least an hour before administrating 2nd dose. This has worked in the past for me but I'm sure someone has other ways that work also. Just try the lr3 with a lil carb load pre and during you'll see what I mean about the pump, and gains. I've never used lr3 for fat loss but for muscle gain fat loss is a great ancillary property I had though.
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Yeah I have been keeping carbs away from my Frag dose already, so that's good. I'll probably toy around with the LR3 dosage timing, but I agree the pump aspect is very enticing to me.
 
BamBam0319 said:
I picked the brains of criticalbench and that was his suggestion.
Do you think I'd be better off administering post workout?
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I think you are better off using it around your workout take the Lr3, & eat your carbs an hour or so before your workout. Then take in a minimum of 20g of carbs per hour, or 40 every other hour for 7 hours to keep your blood sugar levels stable. I am sure the numbers there are broscience but supposedly 20/hr or 40 every other hour is a good minimum to keep from going hypo during the LR3 window.
WAF said:
If on a keto diet or fat loss is goal hgh frag would be a better choice just my opinion. Personally I wouldn't want to take lr3 before bed as you can't monitor yourself when sleeping if you need carbs or a lil sugar. I've always ran lr3 about 1 1/2 before working out. Awesome pumps and great intake this way. Just be careful bro.
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Agreed!
BeastFitness said:
I wouldn't take LR3 at night…a lot of people theorize that at that time it will stimulate dormant cells -> cause a splicing with elevated IGF -> Hyperplasia or Hypertrophy

But the risk of going hypo at night isn't worth it PLUS I personally feel around your workout is better for longterm growth anyhow
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I think those people misunderstand the purpose, and also the mechanism that drives activation or proliferation. Activation happens from a stresser occurring to the point the body has to activate a new satellite cell. This happens during the workout, and like you said having IGF readily available during this time is imperative for activation. Add to that the crazy increases in recovery and what not when able to really shuttle the nutrients into the muscle while on LR3 and peri-workout dosing is what makes the best sense.

That and of course the likelihood of going hypo at night is no good. Especially when you can simply just not wake up if your blood sugar gets too low.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yeah I have been keeping carbs away from my Frag dose already, so that's good. I'll probably toy around with the LR3 dosage timing, but I agree the pump aspect is very enticing to me.
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So hit up a good 50-100gram fast acting carbs pre workout, and keep taking in carbs intra and post. You should have some painful and skin splitting pumps.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So hit up a good 50-100gram fast acting carbs pre workout, and keep taking in carbs intra and post. You should have some painful and skin splitting pumps.
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Good thing I already do that! I did the LR3 post workout today since I was already on campus and hit the gym after class, but tomorrow I'll do pre workout. I think Frag dosing will now be first thing in the morning and right before bed.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Good thing I already do that! I did the LR3 post workout today since I was already on campus and hit the gym after class, but tomorrow I'll do pre workout. I think Frag dosing will now be first thing in the morning and right before bed.
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Yeah Frag before any short period of fasting is going to be a very nice set up. If you can let it simmer for 30-60 minutes after that first dose before eating you will notice faster improvement on fat loss.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So hit up a good 50-100gram fast acting carbs pre workout, and keep taking in carbs intra and post. You should have some painful and skin splitting pumps.
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Best pumps i get is as you stated, personally i love the ProSupps Karbolic pre and then 2/3 with some BCAA's of choice during, but have rice post workout as it seems to fill me up and easy on my stomach. One thing to note is if using high carb intake pre you might get some bloat with it, depending on what your training it could hamper your workout. I've tried various different fast carb drinks but always go back to Karbolic. Enjoy tomorrows pump brother I guarantee you will be a big fan of it. One other thing is that if your worried about too many carbs etc PEG MGF will be a solid choice with very good results.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah Frag before any short period of fasting is going to be a very nice set up. If you can let it simmer for 30-60 minutes after that first dose before eating you will notice faster improvement on fat loss.
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That's what I've done so far!
WAF said:
Best pumps i get is as you stated, personally i love the ProSupps Karbolic pre and then 2/3 with some BCAA's of choice during, but have rice post workout as it seems to fill me up and easy on my stomach. One thing to note is if using high carb intake pre you might get some bloat with it, depending on what your training it could hamper your workout. I've tried various different fast carb drinks but always go back to Karbolic. Enjoy tomorrows pump brother I guarantee you will be a big fan of it.
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I use karbolic too!! Looks like I will continue to lol! I'll keep you guys updated on what happens. I'm in STL tonight for the cards/cubs game!
 
WAF said:
Best pumps i get is as you stated, personally i love the ProSupps Karbolic pre and then 2/3 with some BCAA's of choice during, but have rice post workout as it seems to fill me up and easy on my stomach. One thing to note is if using high carb intake pre you might get some bloat with it, depending on what your training it could hamper your workout. I've tried various different fast carb drinks but always go back to Karbolic. Enjoy tomorrows pump brother I guarantee you will be a big fan of it. One other thing is that if your worried about too many carbs etc PEG MGF will be a solid choice with very good results.
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I have some PEG MGF at the house I need to use. I need to order some water to reconstitute it in.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I have some PEG MGF at the house I need to use. I need to order some water to reconstitute it in.
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LOL im probably going to start a run in a week myself, I keep staring at it. Same with all peptides as long a you've got a reliable source and know your dosing protocols they work fantastic. Very big fan of them, as they get overlooked for what they actually can do, so many ancillary benefits also.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I have some PEG MGF at the house I need to use. I need to order some water to reconstitute it in.
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Get on it!
WAF said:
LOL im probably going to start a run in a week myself, I keep staring at it. Same with all peptides as long a you've got a reliable source and know your dosing protocols they work fantastic. Very big fan of them, as they get overlooked for what they actually can do, so many ancillary benefits also.
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I hope my source is good lol. It's my first time ordering from them but my friend said it was good to go and loves their products so I figured I'd give it a try, good prices too.
Looks like I'm getting peg mgf next!
 
I didn't record my quad workout today; it was pretty much the same thing as last week. I did Smith machine squats instead of front squats though, because I was in a hurry before work and didn't have time to wait 30 minutes for the bros to finish their 10 sets of squats and long ass ****ing breaks. So this is what I did for that exercise:
1 plate each side, 20 reps
2 plates, 20 reps
2 plates and a 25, 15 reps
3 plates, 12 reps
2 plates, 20 reps

I don't know if it's placebo or the IGF is working that quickly, but my quads were PUMPED. I have a pic on my phone, so I'll throw that up here when I get the chance.
 
Thinking about trying 5/3/1 after PCT. Any of you guys have experience with this program?
 
BamBam0319 said:
I didn't record my quad workout today; it was pretty much the same thing as last week. I did Smith machine squats instead of front squats though, because I was in a hurry before work and didn't have time to wait 30 minutes for the bros to finish their 10 sets of squats and long ass ****ing breaks. So this is what I did for that exercise:
1 plate each side, 20 reps
2 plates, 20 reps
2 plates and a 25, 15 reps
3 plates, 12 reps
2 plates, 20 reps

I don't know if it's placebo or the IGF is working that quickly, but my quads were PUMPED. I have a pic on my phone, so I'll throw that up here when I get the chance.
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Lol what did I tell you...;) proper carb timing + lr3 = pump
 
WAF said:
Lol what did I tell you...;) proper carb timing + lr3 = pump
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You were definitely right! Lol maybe my legs will finally start catching up!
 
Glad you enjoyed the pump and yeah it is immediate, no waiting for the Insulin-Like effects.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Glad you enjoyed the pump and yeah it is immediate, no waiting for the Insulin-Like effects.
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Yeah no kidding! I'm excited to see what it does for my arm workout.
 
Since I am trying to stay away from hormonal products for a while, what do you guys think of running peptides and things like that without AAS?

Things like benefits, cost, side effects, and results. Would it be worth it? I know they typically go better when combined with AAS, and I don't really like spending money on natural supplements, seeing as there's only a few that really do much for me.

Obviously I need to do more of my own research, just looking for ideas from you guys who are experienced in them.
WAF MrKleen73
 
rascal14 said:
Since I am trying to stay away from hormonal products for a while, what do you guys think of running peptides and things like that without AAS?

Things like benefits, cost, side effects, and results. Would it be worth it? I know they typically go better when combined with AAS, and I don't really like spending money on natural supplements, seeing as there's only a few that really do much for me.

Obviously I need to do more of my own research, just looking for ideas from you guys who are experienced in them.

WAF MrKleen73
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Well if you were running things GH-related or IGF-related, it would still be hormonal. But I imagine you're just trying to stay away from testosterone-related hormone products correct? I'd say go for it, it'll keep you feeling like you're on something without actually doing cycles and stuff
 
BamBam0319 said:
Well if you were running things GH-related or IGF-related, it would still be hormonal. But I imagine you're just trying to stay away from testosterone-related hormone products correct? I'd say go for it, it'll keep you feeling like you're on something without actually doing cycles and stuff
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Yeah that's what I meant, trying to not suppress natural test for a while! Lol
 
rascal14 said:
Yeah that's what I meant, trying to not suppress natural test for a while! Lol
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You can get good results with peptides if you use them correctly. Still they will mess with your hormones (igf/gh/insulin levels)but can keep your test production as is. I did some peptide runs while trying to do the same as the wife was trying to get pregnant. In the end you can achieve decent results as the same for all compounds everyone reacts differently to them some take better with this some not so much. You could also run mk-677 also just keep that in mind. Very good with gh and will require less pinning. In the end you need to figure out exactly what you want choose the best combo, price it out with proper dosing and see if it checks the cost category. It will be more of along the lines of a recomp effect with some muscle gain.
 
WAF said:
You can get good results with peptides if you use them correctly. Still they will mess with your hormones (igf/gh/insulin levels)but can keep your test production as is. I did some peptide runs while trying to do the same as the wife was trying to get pregnant. In the end you can achieve decent results as the same for all compounds everyone reacts differently to them some take better with this some not so much. You could also run mk-677 also just keep that in mind. Very good with gh and will require less pinning. In the end you need to figure out exactly what you want choose the best combo, price it out with proper dosing and see if it checks the cost category. It will be more of along the lines of a recomp effect with some muscle gain.
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I agree with everything said here. Also peptides benefits show up faster when on anabolics but their effectiveness is not altered in any way by the anabolics or lack thereof. The peptides tend to make the most difference through creation and activation of new satellite cells. This happens whether you are on gear or not. However when on gear those newly activated cells grow MUCH faster. Not because there are more of them being activated, but because the newly activated muscle grows faster while on anabolics. So it seems like it is more effective when running an anabolic compound.

Either way you are basically going to get the same type of results in the end whether you run them alongside an anabolic compound, or run an anabolic later, the new cells are still going to grow at an accelerated rate once an anabolic is introduced. The timeline of when that acceleration occurs is just different based on when the new cells get hit with the anabolics aka immediately or later whenever another cycle is run.

Favorites of mine - CJC 1295 w/ DAC @ 3-5 mg a week is SWEET!!!!!! Don't let the GH Bleed crap fool you it is well worth a cycle. Good gains great leaning effects, top notch effectiveness! - DES 1'3 for PreWorkout with carbs, or post workout with carbs... Excellent! - MGF post workout with carbs, Lr3 Peri-workout with carbs

General Health, Fat Loss and some light muscle gain...
Mod GRF 1-29 - excellent for increasing and extending the GH spike
GHRP-2 excellent for causing spike, elicits the strongest reaction of GHRP's and increases prolactin slightly
Ipamorelen - Almost as strong as GHRP-2 and does not increase cortisol or prolactin.
 
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