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Athletix Sports "Pre-Workout Discussion" PROMO

FL3X MAGNUM said:
I like that but if you can find anything cheaper than agmatine maybe look at that instead since some people (you and I included) don't see much from agmatine. Maybe something like L norvaline or vanadyl or bitter melon, or maybe even something for joint support which would really be original in a pre workout formula.
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Maybe L norvaline and Cissus? I find Cissus gives a vascularity/light pump effect, on top of awesome anti-inflammatory effects.
 
JudgementDay said:
Maybe L norvaline and Cissus? I find Cissus gives a vascularity/light pump effect, on top of awesome anti-inflammatory effects.
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Yeah dude that would be killer.
 
Beta Alanine-2g
Citrulline Malate-5g
COP- 1500mg
L norvaline- 125mg
Cissus(20%)- 1g
B12- 200mcg
Niacin- 50mg
Caffeine- 200mg
DMAE-250mg
Choline Citrate-1g

Everyone that hasn't given there thoughts yet on this please do:)
 
JudgementDay said:
How about something like this guys?

Beta Alanine-2g
Agmatine- 500mg
Citrulline Malate-5g
COP- 1500mg
B12- 200mcg
Niacin- 50mg
Caffeine- 200mg
DMAE-250mg
Choline Citrate-1g
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I'd up the niacin a bit, personally (closer to 100mg). Other than that, I like it.

And I'd rather see agmatine (like this) instead of what you most recently proposed.

Also, more importantly, I WIN! :lmao:
 
JudgementDay said:
Beta Alanine-2g
Citrulline Malate-5g
COP- 1500mg
L norvaline- 125mg
Cissus(20%)- 1g
B12- 200mcg
Niacin- 50mg
Caffeine- 200mg
DMAE-250mg
Choline Citrate-1g

Everyone that hasn't given there thoughts yet on this please do:)
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all we need is it flavored correctly, and guinea pigs!
 
MidwestBeast said:
I'd up the niacin a bit, personally (closer to 100mg). Other than that, I like it.

And I'd rather see agmatine (like this) instead of what you most recently proposed.

Also, more importantly, I WIN! :lmao:
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Pfff I didn't see u mention T3 anywhere!
 
MidwestBeast said:
I'd up the niacin a bit, personally (closer to 100mg). Other than that, I like it.

And I'd rather see agmatine (like this) instead of what you most recently proposed.

Also, more importantly, I WIN! :lmao:
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Well I can find out if there is a big price difference. After hearing everyone elses thoughts I'll pass it along to the boss and get his thoughts:)
 
JudgementDay said:
Well I can find out if there is a big price difference. After hearing everyone elses thoughts I'll pass it along to the boss and get his thoughts:)
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Yeah, I suppose the price difference would be interesting to know.

I just really like the formula you adapted from mine and Flex's suggestions. The other isn't bad; I just wouldn't be as impressed or excited about the cissus and norvaline.
 
JudgementDay said:
Beta Alanine-2g
Citrulline Malate-5g
COP- 1500mg
L norvaline- 125mg
Cissus(20%)- 1g
B12- 200mcg
Niacin- 50mg
Caffeine- 200mg
DMAE-250mg
Choline Citrate-1g

Everyone that hasn't given there thoughts yet on this please do:)
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I'd buy that for a dollar 0.0
 
JudgementDay said:
While we wait for everyones thoughts we can watch this lol....

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUFyVzaWT2o">YouTube Link</a>
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OMG lol "you gotta cut it in half"
 
Consensus on Both stim and non stim yet JD?
 
Although if it was me I would say add in 500mg agmatine, and drop caffiene (but can compromise) and add in trimethylglycine...
 
JudgementDay said:
If we were to come out with a pre-workout it would be stims, because Formula-X is a great non-stim pre-workout, so at this time for us it doesn't make sense for non-stim.
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Maybe drop dosage to 80mg. Slight caffiene hit to induce endurance ergogenics and 3,5 cAMP?
That would be beneficial if going with forskholii in the pre...lbm gains, drop body fat, endurance with Lil caffiene and BA+cit mal, pump with cre phosphate, agmatine and the nootropic of Alpha gpc and dmae.

Could throw in formula x mixed with it for the DAA aggression and LCLT v02 max benefits plus androgen receptor affects and the aceytl tyrosine for added benefits to make all ingredients amp up
 
The guys at supplementreviews wans at least 300mg of caffeine if there is no 1,3 dime lol..... this is going to be so hard to come up with one formula you will all love.
 
JudgementDay said:
The guys at supplementreviews wans at least 300mg of caffeine if there is no 1,3 dime lol..... this is going to be so hard to come up with one formula you will all love.
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****. 250?
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
****. 250?
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I like the sounds of 200 or 250 or 300. I'm sure the VitB12 will give a good energy boost as well... I'm going to start this thread up at a couple other places and get some more ideas and let you know what everyone else thinks.
 
JudgementDay said:
The guys at supplementreviews wans at least 300mg of caffeine if there is no 1,3 dime lol..... this is going to be so hard to come up with one formula you will all love.
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Tell them to go drink friction lol... Overload hahah...

Isn't that much counter productive?
 
runner_79 said:
Tell them to go drink friction lol... Overload hahah...

Isn't that much counter productive?
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It depends how much caffeine you can take, everyone is different. I know a few guys on here that use 500mg, I've tried 400 before, too much, I prefer 200 to 300. I've been on caffeine hard for a long time now, so 200mg i almost dont feel, unless it has 1,3 dime. But also better than nothing lol.

A powerlifter at my gym takes down 8 scoops of jack3d before his bench days....lol some people can take it aha
 
A non-creatine, non-stim formula:


2g l-citrulina malate
2g l-taurine
1g whey hydrolyzed peptide
1g some High glycemic carb
1g GlycoCarn
600mg Rutin
500mg Inosine
500mg Cordyceps Sinesis (7% cordyceptic acid - 0.18% adenosine)
X00mg Epimedium (X% Icarrins)
300mg Panax Ginseng (20% ginsenocides)
250mg Citicoline (CDP-Choline)
50mg Pycnogenol
25mg Grape seed extract (95%) / 50mg Red Wine Extract (50%)
10mg NAD
20.000 - 40.000 units Serrapeptase

I would like this formula for Aerobic training.

Price Range: 60 servings U$45 - 30 Servings U$25

2. Tell us which 3 ingredients you would like to see the most from your pre-workout.
Answer: Pycnogenol, GlycoCarn, Ginseng extract


Well, I think there's a gap on market on preworkout for aerobic training (in mind:Swimming) that don't make you sick, nauseous, or make you vomit.
 
zaire2d said:
A non-creatine, non-stim formula:

2g l-citrulina malate
2g l-taurine
1g whey hydrolyzed peptide
1g some High glycemic carb
1g GlycoCarn
600mg Rutin
500mg Inosine
500mg Cordyceps Sinesis (7% cordyceptic acid - 0.18% adenosine)
X00mg Epimedium (X% Icarrins)
300mg Panax Ginseng (20% ginsenocides)
250mg Citicoline (CDP-Choline)
50mg Pycnogenol
25mg Grape seed extract (95%) / 50mg Red Wine Extract (50%)
10mg NAD
20.000 - 40.000 units Serrapeptase

I would like this formula for Aerobic training.

Price Range: 60 servings U$45 - 30 Servings U$25

2. Tell us which 3 ingredients you would like to see the most from your pre-workout.
Answer: Pycnogenol, GlycoCarn, Ginseng extract

Well, I think there's a gap on market on preworkout for aerobic training (in mind:Swimming) that don't make you sick, nauseous, or make you vomit.
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It's called Cordygen v02 ultra and body octane my friend :)
 
runner_79 said:
Tell them to go drink friction lol... Overload hahah...

Isn't that much counter productive?
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I agree with you. And I don't recall the studies or science, but IIRC, you're right in that amount being counter-productive, not to mention the hit that your cortisol takes from it and goes all bonkers.

I honestly don't think any product should have more than 200mg of caffeine in a serving. I'd honestly be fine with less, too. I'd say 100-150mg. If they want more, that's what caffeine caps are for. The high dosed stim products are what get people into trouble. You get idiots that'll take 2 scoops of Friction right off the bat just because they're used to taking 2 scoops; won't even read the label.

And for the guy who drinks 8 scoops of Jack3d, I'd love to see his cortisol levels. That is NOT healthy in any sense. I know we all have different "tolerances" but just because you don't "feel" it or you can "tolerate" dosing more; it's still wreaking havoc on your body in those mass amounts.
 
im cool with 200mg of caffeine.

Yeah my buddy is nuts, big dude in the 300's, crazy strong powerlifter, I've seen him take some crazy dosages.
 
There are a myriad of other mental stims that can be used along with a lower dose of caffeine. You already have NAT from FormX, ALCAR, PEA, sulbutiamine, synephrineHCL, CDP-citicoline, DMAE, etc...
 
JudgementDay said:
im cool with 200mg of caffeine.

Yeah my buddy is nuts, big dude in the 300's, crazy strong powerlifter, I've seen him take some crazy dosages.
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Wade Johnson...that man is a beast!
 
Anymore last suggestions?

I'm collecting some stuff from the other forums, will have it posted up in here this week and get your guys opinions on the formulas they created.
 
JudgementDay said:
Anymore last suggestions?

I'm collecting some stuff from the other forums, will have it posted up in here this week and get your guys opinions on the formulas they created.
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If providing an adaptogens in it, 300mg caffiene is ok :)
Best strength benefits occur at 100mg per 10kg bodyweight
 
add in 10mg of ostarine

((2S)-3-(4-cyanophenoxy)-N-[4-cyano-3-(trifluoromethyl)phenyl]-2-hydroxy-2-methylpropanamide)

yea, i'll log that!
 
Today I decided to scrunch up 4x200mg caffiene pills and put in my purple wraath.

Holy Shiz!!!!! Pump and aggression
 
runner_79 said:
If providing an adaptogens in it, 300mg caffiene is ok :)
Best strength benefits occur at 100mg per 10kg bodyweight
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If you're talking caffeine, that surely has to be a typo, right? That's saying a gram of caffeine would be optimal for a 220 lb individual. Strength increase and focus/aggression, maybe, but that's hell on the adrenals.

I would not want to see more than 200mg of caffeine in a product. If one wanted more, adding it would be the best. I try to limit stims as much as possible these days.
 
MidwestBeast said:
If you're talking caffeine, that surely has to be a typo, right? That's saying a gram of caffeine would be optimal for a 220 lb individual. Strength increase and focus/aggression, maybe, but that's hell on the adrenals.

I would not want to see more than 200mg of caffeine in a product. If one wanted more, adding it would be the best. I try to limit stims as much as possible these days.
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I believe he is just playing around lol
 
No crap.
I will triple check my hearing. I'll look again. Unless he said
10mg/per10kg

Poliquin
 
Shiz...sorry guys

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It's 10mg per 1kg BW
 
runner_79 said:
Shiz...sorry guys

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It's 10mg per 1kg BW
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Your first statement was correct, then, as both were just multiplied by 10. I haven't read the article, yet, but I still think that's horrible advice lol. Caffeine in general isn't great for the adrenals, cortisol, etc., but at that level it would be exponentially worse.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Your first statement was correct, then, as both were just multiplied by 10. I haven't read the article, yet, but I still think that's horrible advice lol. Caffeine in general isn't great for the adrenals, cortisol, etc., but at that level it would be exponentially worse.
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That's what I immediately thought...it's a crazy amount but when I added it to craze and purple wraath...

Zoned like a mofo!!!!shi+ you NOT...amazing workout today...even though I hurt today, and I have not hurt in a while, this training hit me hard but the focus was amazing....
Stimulates the adrenaline no end...

Maybe add in licorice root/rhodiola/ashwandgha to it
 
I just read the entire article. I just don't see how adding in tyrosine and l-phenylalanine magically supports the adrenals when you're talking nearly a gram of caffeine. I know he's a very smart man, but that doesn't sit well with me at all. It has trouble written all over it.
 
JudgementDay said:
I would have a heart attack with that much caffeine.
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Like I said, it just sounds very unhealthy. I was taking upwards of a gram a day at one point when I was running E/C at a higher dose, but that was spread throughout the day and I still can't help but think that it's had some longlasting negative effects (one of them being that I still "feel" nothing when I use a caffeine-based product anymore, like I used to -- and that's after a 5 month complete break from stimulants and me using MAYBE 200mg twice a week now).
 
Putting some stuff together, see if can all agree on a formula with some new suggestions on the other forums. Gonna see if I can get an answer for Creatine Nitrate since 90% of you guys want CN in the formula. I have mixed feeling about Creatine Nitrate, I like MCC just as much. I've been using a 1000mg of CN pre-workout lately and it has been pretty awesome for pumps, but not too overwhelming at the same time.
 
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