Article: Carbs For Fat Loss
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Apollonius
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If your plan is to lose weight, it's best to minimize carbs until your weight is where you want it to be.
If your feel that you must have more carbs to support your exercise while you are losing weight, you are exercising too much! Ease up, let your body set itself right.
Also, the whole grains thing shows that the author is behind the times. Grains are not human food. They need to go.
If your feel that you must have more carbs to support your exercise while you are losing weight, you are exercising too much! Ease up, let your body set itself right.
Also, the whole grains thing shows that the author is behind the times. Grains are not human food. They need to go.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Depends more on how long before bed you are eating them more than anything else. So long as theres still 90 minutes or so for insulin levels to go back down, its fine.
EasyEJL
Never enough
"behind the times" says who? A bunch of other nutritionists, with no scientific data backing them either. Gluten sensitivity seems to be way over-reported. Here's an article on that
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If you feel better after cutting white bread out of your diet that doesn't mean you were gluten intolerant before.
EasyEJL
Never enough
that was a pretty funny line
EasyEJL
Never enough
its just that. there is 0 science backing it, if anything there is science that shows carbs later in the day being more beneficial.
hvactech
Legend
i still was in a cal deficient but kept carbs higher than one would think...over time i stopped playing into what the masses believe you have to do to cut and bulk, works good for me....plus i LOVE carbs....
Vengeance187
Member
If you eat all your protein in the first half of the day...
AaronJP1
Board Sponsor
I understand not eating processed carbs that sort of garbage.
The part I Want to understand is a slow carb vs. A fast carb. Let's say a red potato plus a sweet potato, nutrients aside...,
Do people put faith in that faster carbs such as a white potato will most likely be stored as fat over slower carb as a sweet potato?
The part I Want to understand is a slow carb vs. A fast carb. Let's say a red potato plus a sweet potato, nutrients aside...,
Do people put faith in that faster carbs such as a white potato will most likely be stored as fat over slower carb as a sweet potato?
EasyEJL
Never enough
it depends on volumes too. but more total over calories/under
hvactech
Legend
i have not seen a difference as far as fat storage form hi/lo gi carbs...and i eat a ton of starchy carbs
AutoKal47
AK DoubleWide 47
xGenericx
Member
I think I feel the same way on this one.
AutoKal47
AK DoubleWide 47
Mine? 4%
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
I dont demonize all grains the way the majority of the paleo crowd does, but as far as gluten is concerned, I really dont think is is ideal for human consumption. Some people may have a obvious pathological reaction and some people have a subjective reaction or over reaction to it but this doesnt mean gluten is ok since they are over reacting.
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Seem to suggest that gluten does inherently inflames the human intestine and the last study seems to suggest that even if you have a healthy level of git flora (which most do not) it still doesnt completely protect you from the inflammation.
Do you feel that gluten in itself is not pro inflammatory Easy?
I can agree that most people become too dogmatic about dieting and never really stop to question why things are being done or said.
EasyEJL
Never enough
It may be somewhat pro inflammatory but enough to make a significant health/goals difference? Exercise is pro inflammatory and we still do it. There definitely are people who should avoid gluten but eaten moderately (on the order of less than 60g or so of gluten containing grains) I don't think it's an issue for most of the population
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
This I do not know but it is a interesting question to ask. I would imagine that you would have to take all other factors (i.e genetics, rest of diet, current health, etc) into consideration and not just gluten in order to determine if it will be detrimental to progress and health.
So while gluten itself may possibly be intrinsically pro-inflammatory, on its own it may not make or break your health/fitness goals. I can agree with this
My question then is why eat it when there are so many other options? Besides convenience, is there any real benefit to a diet including gluten?
couple things with this line. First lets differentiate between systematic inflammation and acute inflammation.
How can you compare the acute inflammation response to exercise, to the chronic systematic inflammation response to eating gluten?
Second, the idea that exercise is pro-inflammatory really isnt that clear cut to begin with. In fact, some research have demonstrated that regular exercise actually lowers CRP (which is the marker for systematic inflammation). Now this isnt to say that exercise itself isnt pro-inflammatory (especially since inflammation is how our body heals and protects itself) but more to echo your question, to what degree is this inflammation and will it hinder performance or health? If anything I would call the inflammatory response to exercise a good thing, wouldnt you? Especially if you take into account the research showing the positive effect it can have on decreasing systematic inflammation markers.
EasyEJL
Never enough
It mostly is convenience, and its not that easy to ignore convenience. Busy lives, work, learning, gym, families, etc. a sandwich is convenient way to get your carbs and protein. And gluten free bread is more expensive.
Ok, the exercise being inflammatory is different, but there are plenty of other pro inflammatory foods. Depending on who you get info from, honey, potatoes, rice and any non-free range meats are proinlammatory too. I'm not saying go ahead and eat as much inflammatory food as possible but just that the gluten free craze has already gone too far. Gluten free bread made witb hfcs and canola oil is probably not much less inlammatory to average person than bread with gluten.
I mean Christ how many places now sell gluten free cookies, cakes and cupcakes? Sure if you have celiacs that's nice, but otherwise?
Ok, the exercise being inflammatory is different, but there are plenty of other pro inflammatory foods. Depending on who you get info from, honey, potatoes, rice and any non-free range meats are proinlammatory too. I'm not saying go ahead and eat as much inflammatory food as possible but just that the gluten free craze has already gone too far. Gluten free bread made witb hfcs and canola oil is probably not much less inlammatory to average person than bread with gluten.
I mean Christ how many places now sell gluten free cookies, cakes and cupcakes? Sure if you have celiacs that's nice, but otherwise?
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
No offense but this sounds more like an excuse than a reason. How hard is it really to pack a chicken salad in some tupperware and bring to work? Or even in the car on the go, how hard is it to have a shake? And even if the scenario is that it is damn near impossible to sit down and eat something, then dont? With the recent wave of this IF trend I am sure most know the old rule of "having" to eat every 3 hours is false.
So is there a scenario where a sandwich is necessary?
references for those? I only ask because red & sweet potatoes and rice make up the majority of my carb intake.
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I couldnt agree more!!! The same thing has been happening with "organic" food or "all natural" food. Once something becomes popular and starts getting attention then there becomes a potential to make money off the fad and these big food companies will notice that. Thats why you have companies like kellogs or general mills buying out the much smaller companies (not that this is necessarily wrong). In my eyes the term organic has lost just about all creditability. I much rather try and buy locally than go out of my way tryin to buy organic food.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I almost never eat sandwiches, i'm more thinking in terms of general population. Its never necessary, but the same can be said about half of what its in the grocery store, if not more.
For inflammation, even nutritiondata.com shows potatoes as mildly inflammatory
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And that last part its my real issue, like carbs in general were the last decade's boogeyman, looks like gluten is this decade's. For most of the population, a moderate amount of gluten containing foods now and then shouldn't cause an issue
For inflammation, even nutritiondata.com shows potatoes as mildly inflammatory
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And that last part its my real issue, like carbs in general were the last decade's boogeyman, looks like gluten is this decade's. For most of the population, a moderate amount of gluten containing foods now and then shouldn't cause an issue
OrganicShadow
Well-known member
I had a sandwich today. I was my cheat day and I was feeling sick so I wanted it. Bu enough of that. The difficulty, it seems, is more carb choice than timing. The availability of high glycemic processed carbs way overpowers that for more rudimentary and basic carb sources. Red/sweet potatos, steel cut oats, and Uncle Bens converted brown rice are all my intake. And grapefruit during cut.
Protein/carbs = acidic = inflammation
Fats/dietary fiber = alkaline = anti-inflammatory
Protein/carbs = acidic = inflammation
Fats/dietary fiber = alkaline = anti-inflammatory
AutoKal47
AK DoubleWide 47
A % that force your body to switch to a different source for energy I'd say.
Otherwise I wouldn't see the point..
AutoKal47
AK DoubleWide 47
I'll run the risk of being very unpopular but I truly believe it doesn't change a rat's a## when you eat them...
Body comp's turnaround is not that fast
EasyEJL
Never enough
even if that was true and possible, why eat them in the first place then? Why not eat something that has more health value?
EasyEJL
Never enough
Still what makes you think you burn it off? glycogen reserves are glycogen reserves. If you don't eat the carbs earlier in the day, what you eat later in the day will go primarily towards filling the glycogen reserves. So burning it off or not burning it off is pretty irrelevant.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Sorry if I sounded negative, I was mostly trying to prompt you down the path of thinking about it critically. Your body has the ability to store some amount of excess aminos as muscle, a fairly unlimited amount of fatty acid into fat cells, and a limited amount of glycogen in the glycogen reserves. Your body doesn't respond super rapidly to any of the above, it takes hours to days to make a significant difference. The glycogen reserves are the fastest of them though. And thats sort of why evening carbs make more sense. Your body can go through the day using the glycogen reserves, and then you refill them later in the day. Done the reverse you go through the night with your glycogen reserves low which along with the low physical activity means not much in fatty acids is being released from fat cells. So what fuel is the body more likely to use? Proteins.
The primary scientific evidenc showing morning carbs to be beneficial over later in the day carbs is psychological. People eating a larger amount of carbs in the morning as a dessert (not oatmeal but something sweet) psychologically can easier avoid sweets later in the day as they feel they've already got their "fix" in.
The thing with there being many theories is that most of them have no scientific backing, just the repeated mantra of years of bros saying it.
The primary scientific evidenc showing morning carbs to be beneficial over later in the day carbs is psychological. People eating a larger amount of carbs in the morning as a dessert (not oatmeal but something sweet) psychologically can easier avoid sweets later in the day as they feel they've already got their "fix" in.
The thing with there being many theories is that most of them have no scientific backing, just the repeated mantra of years of bros saying it.
EasyEJL
Never enough
science makes it look that way for sure.
hvactech
Legend
basically the average thought process, im a bigger guy for my height and if i tell 5 guys thats carbs arent good after 6pm and to only eat wheat and grains every 3 hours to get as "big" as me i can bet that 4 outa the 5 guys will do it just because i told them to...
EasyEJL
Never enough
sort of, and sort of not. The problem with trial and error is you can do the less optimal thing long enough and hard enough, and still seem to get results. So you'd say "it works" because you don't realize how much simpler it might be another way. You can put a screw in to hold two pieces of wood with a hammer, but that doesn't make the hammer the optimal tool for the job.