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I ask this knowing Free Test isn't an prohormone: is it necessary to take preventative measures as far as liver health (i.e., milk thistle) pre/during/post usage? My last blood test revealed elevated liver functions (high AST/ALT) and I'd like to make sure Free Test won't incite another "insult" (quote the MD) until I'm back at normal levels. Thanks for your input.
 
FATRABBIT said:
I ask this knowing Free Test isn't an prohormone: is it necessary to take preventative measures as far as liver health (i.e., milk thistle) pre/during/post usage? My last blood test revealed elevated liver functions (high AST/ALT) and I'd like to make sure Free Test won't incite another "insult" (quote the MD) until I'm back at normal levels. Thanks for your input.
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Simple answer....no.

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Team APPNUT
 
FATRABBIT said:
I ask this knowing Free Test isn't an prohormone: is it necessary to take preventative measures as far as liver health (i.e., milk thistle) pre/during/post usage? My last blood test revealed elevated liver functions (high AST/ALT) and I'd like to make sure Free Test won't incite another "insult" (quote the MD) until I'm back at normal levels. Thanks for your input.
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i suggest you find a good liver support supp and run it long term, regardless of rather you run the free test or not.
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
THANKS!



Im going to agree that every appnut product Ive used surpassed my expectations. But at the same time I dont agree with the marketing strategy comparing both Free test and HGHup as anabolic near hormonal , and better then Prohormones.

I will say that after reading the study Dirk sent me about 3,7 keto (and other literature I found) I think that this combination of ingredients should work very well and bringing this new AI to the community that is DSHEA compliant (due to being a DHEA metabolite correct me if im wrong) Was a very smart thing.
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It really depends on how you look at things in terms of effectiveness vs. prohormones. The gains on Free Test will not be as quick as with PH's, but if you net them out over the longer term, they will be very comparable, if not better. Running PH and AAS tends to be a 2 steps forward/1.75 steps backward-type proposition. You can make really quick gains, but once you come off- the muscle you gain is borrowed, and you have to give some or most of it back.

Take this from someone who has run all kinds of stuff over the last 11 years- this is why I formulated this product in the first place: something that will allow for gains that are similar to being on a mild anabolic, that may actually help HPTA function rather than suppressing it. I have seen quite a bit of bloodwork from guys who have used PHs and AAS for years, and once you go that route, it is tough to get back to normal in any type of timely fashion, even with a decent PCT.

It is a very different direction than anyone else has really gone in the industry. The gains will not be as fast, but with free testosterone increases in the 80% range or higher, you will feel like you are "on", and given proper diet, rest, and training, you will gain lean muscle mass.

I know you have heard a lot of this before- but this product really is special
 
Fair enough. My argument on the actual marketing still exists, but your argument is very valid. I would rather have read that in a write up then what I did. I am looking forward to following the logs, and would happily apply myself but I am doing a couple of sponsoreds at the minute.

...and like I said, I don't hate appnut, I just got my bottle of IFG-2 in and am looking forward to running it once these other supps are put through. I am sure the synergy of the two would be fantastic.
 
HereToStudy said:
Fair enough. My argument on the actual marketing still exists, but your argument is very valid. I would rather have read that in a write up then what I did. I am looking forward to following the logs, and would happily apply myself but I am doing a couple of sponsoreds at the minute.

...and like I said, I don't hate appnut, I just got my bottle of IFG-2 in and am looking forward to running it once these other supps are put through. I am sure the synergy of the two would be fantastic.
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i would be interested in your opinion of ifg-2, rpm/drive has become a favorite, but i've never tried the ifg-2.
 
HereToStudy said:
I will probably end up logging it. But thats after the two months of a log I currently got running, and it might not be standalone, so it will be decided as I get closer to that time.
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sounds like you are going to be busy. keep up the good work.:beerchug:
 
rms80 said:
It really depends on how you look at things in terms of effectiveness vs. prohormones. The gains on Free Test will not be as quick as with PH's, but if you net them out over the longer term, they will be very comparable, if not better. Running PH and AAS tends to be a 2 steps forward/1.75 steps backward-type proposition. You can make really quick gains, but once you come off- the muscle you gain is borrowed, and you have to give some or most of it back.

Take this from someone who has run all kinds of stuff over the last 11 years- this is why I formulated this product in the first place: something that will allow for gains that are similar to being on a mild anabolic, that may actually help HPTA function rather than suppressing it. I have seen quite a bit of bloodwork from guys who have used PHs and AAS for years, and once you go that route, it is tough to get back to normal in any type of timely fashion, even with a decent PCT.

It is a very different direction than anyone else has really gone in the industry. The gains will not be as fast, but with free testosterone increases in the 80% range or higher, you will feel like you are "on", and given proper diet, rest, and training, you will gain lean muscle mass.

I know you have heard a lot of this before- but this product really is special
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Great post. I think you'll find Dirk, no one has a problem with the product or indeed, AN in general. We just dont wanna see you guys go down the USP Labs marketing track......Good luck with this, Im gonna try and stealth it past Aussie Customs. Even with DHEA written on label. Wish me luck!:bigeyes:
 
ProteinMurder said:
Great post. I think you'll find Dirk, no one has a problem with the product or indeed, AN in general. We just dont wanna see you guys go down the USP Labs marketing track......Good luck with this, Im gonna try and stealth it past Aussie Customs. Even with DHEA written on label. Wish me luck!:bigeyes:
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You seem to enjoy drama.
 
rms80 said:
It really depends on how you look at things in terms of effectiveness vs. prohormones. The gains on Free Test will not be as quick as with PH's, but if you net them out over the longer term, they will be very comparable, if not better. Running PH and AAS tends to be a 2 steps forward/1.75 steps backward-type proposition. You can make really quick gains, but once you come off- the muscle you gain is borrowed, and you have to give some or most of it back.

Take this from someone who has run all kinds of stuff over the last 11 years- this is why I formulated this product in the first place: something that will allow for gains that are similar to being on a mild anabolic, that may actually help HPTA function rather than suppressing it. I have seen quite a bit of bloodwork from guys who have used PHs and AAS for years, and once you go that route, it is tough to get back to normal in any type of timely fashion, even with a decent PCT.








It is a very different direction than anyone else has really gone in the industry. The gains will not be as fast, but with free testosterone increases in the 80% range or higher, you will feel like you are "on", and given proper diet, rest, and training, you will gain lean muscle mass.

I know you have heard a lot of this before- but this product really is special
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80 % INCREASE? where is your proof? and i mean, real test results.
 
Imeniaan said:
80 % INCREASE? where is your proof? and i mean, real test results.
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in the write up they say 50%-300% thats crazy talk but ill c

i bought 2 bottles and the new massfx that will be stackd with the second bottle of freetest and wait... wait and i will use TCF-1 along with it!! this will be a huge test boosting stack!!
 
strategicmove said:
If I recall correctly, negative reps can be the price for such drama.
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Surprising to see you go slightly personal. Didnt realise one had to but disagree with anything USP to go onto your S*** list pal. I use no bad language nor abuse to warrant negging but If negging me will make you feel better though go ahead:sgrin:
 
ProteinMurder said:
Surprising to see you go slightly personal. Didnt realise one had to but disagree with anything USP to go onto your S*** list pal. I use no bad language nor abuse to warrant negging but If negging me will make you feel better though go ahead:sgrin:
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1) I did not "go slightly personal". I am not interested in drama.
2) You can disagree with "anything USP" at anytime. Yet it is not "what" you say, but "how" you say it.
3) If I wanted to neg you, I would have done that already. I really do not care about reps. I just reminded you that drama usually attracts negative reps. Not necessarily from me, though.
 
strategicmove said:
1) I did not "go slightly personal". I am not interested in drama.
2) You can disagree with "anything USP" at anytime. Yet it is not "what" you say, but "how" you say it.
3) If I wanted to neg you, I would have done that already. I really do not care about reps. I just reminded you that drama usually attracts negative reps. Not necessarily from me, though.
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And with that...this minor issue is over and done with. Check please. Time to move on...lol. :D.

Ike always handles things with class. ProteinMurder...I don't think you have done anything to create a big issue and as such I think you both have said your peace and the issue can be laid to rest.

For further reference to everyone (not singling anyone out), lets try to keep this thread focused on AN and or Free Test. Thank you in advance.

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Team APPNUT
 
SamBoz19 said:
And with that...this minor issue is over and done with. Check please. Time to move on...lol. :D.

Ike always handles things with class. ProteinMurder...I don't think you have done anything to create a big issue and as such I think you both have said your peace and the issue can be laid to rest.

For further reference to everyone (not singling anyone out), lets try to keep this thread focused on AN and or Free Test. Thank you in advance.

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Team APPNUT
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Agreed, :D And on that note, when are the logs coming? or have you already said? I think there's a couple of threads going dude.
 
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