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Anyone ran superdrol without the horrible sides?

haha some generic brand sdrol company,,we just made our OWN formula,,,,,all we did was add random house hold chemicals that sound cool,,to some protein,,,,theyll never know the difference,,,,,
 
RoadBlocK said:
Cant comment on the differences from the old pre-ds stuff and the ax and the new batch of clones, all I will say is I prefer to stick with the originators, or a well established company like sns or gl, when seeking a clone. Too many fly by night companys pop up with a few runs of god knows what, and forget about the money wasted, I worry about mis-labled, mis-dosed, possible dangerous compounds slipping in with the fly by nights.

Onto the sd sides, Im going to say the same as several other posters, pumps, obvious shutdown, and maybe real mild lethargy, thats it. Proper planning, acquired knowledge, and common sense will yield a positive result from a good cycle with a quality batch of sd.
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yeah the reason i started this thread was because i had person after person after person saying its GOD AWEFUL crap and theyre never gonna run it again and blah blah blah,,but i looked at their cycle supplements,,,,one guy didnt even have a serm,,one started at too high of a does it looked like,,i was like,,,wow your a MORON,,,,but i think thats y they were so unhappy with it was because they just bought a bottle and started popping pills,,,without knowing what the hell they were doing,,,God forbid anyone does that,,,,
 
For every person who hated it, there probably at least a dozen who loved it. So much relies on dosing. Those who dosed 20mg or less seemed to have minimal sides & great gains. Any higher you get extreme sides & no extra benefit.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
So, why doesn't somebody go back and produce and release whatever the original superdrol tester product was?

That'd be sweet.
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Well as I said before, anecdotally, it was very different. There was another tester, I believe it was LeanOne, who stated the same from his experience as well. He no longer posts here.

IME, beta material was different than original production DS. There are none left other than myself to testify in any case. But that is all water under the bridge.
 
Oh, and I failed to make my point.

I ran no more than ALA and NAC. My liver values were unchanged, my BP was unaffected and my lipids were moderately disturbed but returned to normal within a couple months. I run ALA and NAC year round so there was no added expense or precautions needed.

Now we have people using preventive and precautionary supplementation protocols that are twice the expense or more of the cycle itself.

I think that was it...:)
 
alright so heres what im thinking for my cycle since this is my first time trying a real anabolic,,,im gonna run superdrol 3 weeks,,,with support supplements,

week 1 superdrol 10 mg ed
milk thistle 1000 mg ed
red rice yeast 1,200 mg ed it also has CoQ10 in it
hawthorne berry 1000 mg ed
fish/flax oil not sure how much to take alot i guess lol
taurine if i start to feel the pumps,,,

Week 2 superdrol 20 mg
same support supplements

Week 3 Superdrol 20 mg ed
support supplements

weeks 4-8 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/30/20/10
support supplements
+ Fenugreek
Dhea 200/200/100/100

also gonna use Purple Wraath/glycercrow/green magnitude,,,i love this stuff! and i think it should help me keep my gains when i go off the SD,,,

now i just need to figure out when to start the T3 and Clen,,and some doseage suggestions for that,any suggestions on those would be GREATLY appreciated i wanna do 2 week pulses

alright fellas let me know what yall think
 
oh i forgot to ask about an AI,,,,what you guys suggest for that,,im looking at maybe 6 oxo,,,or should i get a legit AI?
 
I think your cycle looks fine

I am convinced that Tor is a better PCT for Superdrol than Nolva because i did a lot of research into delayed gyno and I think it is progestin related, and Nolva messes with that (upregulates progestin receptors, correct me if i'm wrong).

As for an AI, i don't think you'll need one. I definitely hold a lot of water weight on SD but it's from eating so many carbs (they make me thirsty), so it's tied up in the muscles. Have an AI on hand but I don't think you'll need it. SD shouldn't be aromatizing anyway...
 
UnrealMachine said:
I think your cycle looks fine

I am convinced that Tor is a better PCT for Superdrol than Nolva because i did a lot of research into delayed gyno and I think it is progestin related, and Nolva messes with that (upregulates progestin receptors, correct me if i'm wrong).

As for an AI, i don't think you'll need one. I definitely hold a lot of water weight on SD but it's from eating so many carbs (they make me thirsty), so it's tied up in the muscles. Have an AI on hand but I don't think you'll need it. SD shouldn't be aromatizing anyway...
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Nolva's fine. Toremifene is made from Nolva. Just avoid an AI - any SERM should work well.
 
alrighty then,,,,,,glad i as able to some up with this,,,,

any suggestions on T3 and Clen? im trying to bulk and cut,,,ppl are telling me the t3 can destroy muscle,,,,so im kinda bleh about getting it,,but i wanna get toned out for my gf,,,,not gonna see her till dec maybe,,,sooo maybe i should just stick with good old cardio? 4 months,,i could drop alottta bf in 4 months,,,,just wanted to speed it up posiibally
 
One Shot said:
alrighty then,,,,,,glad i as able to some up with this,,,,

any suggestions on T3 and Clen? im trying to bulk and cut,,,ppl are telling me the t3 can destroy muscle,,,,so im kinda bleh about getting it,,but i wanna get toned out for my gf,,,,not gonna see her till dec maybe,,,sooo maybe i should just stick with good old cardio? 4 months,,i could drop alottta bf in 4 months,,,,just wanted to speed it up posiibally
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I'd say natural for cutting but I haven't had the best of times with Clen personally. As for T3 I never used any thyroid supps. BTW, whats with all the commas?
 
hah i like your quote,,who the hell posted that? can i do a cycle of m1t while im taking m1t? lol someone was a little intoxicated i think
 
One Shot said:
hmmm not the best of times with clen, what happend? were you tremoring or something?
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I ran it twice, 1st time = good. 2nd time I didn't ramp up the dose and it was too extreme, shakes, no sleep etc. I'm pretty stimmed up most of the time naturally though so I'll probably never touch it again.
 
ahhh i see, yeah if i do go ahead and use it im the type that i always try to use the lowest dose possible, i like to save product,,y burn more if your getting good effects off a lower dose? and yeah im looking at the ramp rule,, looks like both of them you taper on and off,,if i do decide to run these suckers i gotta be reall cautious and be aware of whats going on with my body.
 
I have run both too, i dont care what anyone on here says, about them being the same compound, they are not, the difference is easy to feel if you have used both.



B5150 said:
You are correct. That is superdrol or at least what the DS bottles I have in my hand say..

On 11-11-04 I began beta testing a synthesized molecule that was later called the original DS superdrol (long before AX was sold license).

I ran it for three weeks at up to 50mg.

I later ran a first production lot of DS superdrol.

I don't know what the beta test chemical was or was not but the production product was not the same feel good, on top of the world, confidence building, outgoing, happy go lucky chemical.

Anecdotally, night and day different. This was what I was eluding to in my earlier post to Mulletsoldier.
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One Shot said:
oh i forgot to ask about an AI,,,,what you guys suggest for that,,im looking at maybe 6 oxo,,,or should i get a legit AI?
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Cissus rol, has 6-bromo, i always use this as my AI, never had any problems with delayed gyno as long as you taper the 6-bromo after you finish with clomid, too stop a estrogen rebound.
 
One Shot said:
also curious,,,,wow im asking ALOT of questions,,,,bleh bleh bleh,,,its bout t3 and clen,,been really researching this stuff,,,im trying to figure out when the heck i should start the 2 week pulses? should i take it before i run the superdrol,,after or during,,im planning on starting the SD maybe beginning or mid august,,,
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2week pulese are a waste of clen, cycle for 5 days 2 off, and take 3 benadryl the days of each day, to reset your receptors!!! then you will not have to use so much clen...bonus.
 
pulese= pulses, as in i spellt that wrong...couldnt be botherd to edit.
 
B5150 said:
Oh, and I failed to make my point.

I ran no more than ALA and NAC. My liver values were unchanged, my BP was unaffected and my lipids were moderately disturbed but returned to normal within a couple months. I run ALA and NAC year round so there was no added expense or precautions needed.

Now we have people using preventive and precautionary supplementation protocols that are twice the expense or more of the cycle itself.

I think that was it...:)
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my blood pressure peaked at about 10/5 higher than normal. I saw a top of 136/82 while on 30mg of superdrol, at the time average for me was about 125/77. I was using cycle support tho. I think next time i'm likely to just use SAMe, and not much else. Partially just because of the other benefits SAMe brings.
 
One Shot said:
alrighty then,,,,,,glad i as able to some up with this,,,,

any suggestions on T3 and Clen? im trying to bulk and cut,,,ppl are telling me the t3 can destroy muscle,,,,so im kinda bleh about getting it,,but i wanna get toned out for my gf,,,,not gonna see her till dec maybe,,,sooo maybe i should just stick with good old cardio? 4 months,,i could drop alottta bf in 4 months,,,,just wanted to speed it up posiibally
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what else have you used fatburner wise? it sounds like with both this and the cycle you are going "nuclear" for the strongest stuff you can find. Its really better to stick to as light of a product as will give you results, because there is always next cycle. Its not a race ;)
 
UnrealMachine said:
I think your cycle looks fine

I am convinced that Tor is a better PCT for Superdrol than Nolva because i did a lot of research into delayed gyno and I think it is progestin related, and Nolva messes with that (upregulates progestin receptors, correct me if i'm wrong).

As for an AI, i don't think you'll need one. I definitely hold a lot of water weight on SD but it's from eating so many carbs (they make me thirsty), so it's tied up in the muscles. Have an AI on hand but I don't think you'll need it. SD shouldn't be aromatizing anyway...
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i believe L-tor is better overall for toxicity issues. Essentially, L-tor and Nolva are about the same. However i think both would still overstimulate the PGr's, in regards of progestin use. This has been stated by AR-R and other companies as well. So if you believe SD is progestin related or tainted with a progestin ,then I would advise AGAINST nolva. If you do not, the Nolva "should" work.

Most stated NO AI on PCT. If i was to do one, it would be a weak one and not ldex.

Out of curiousity. What makes you believe SD is progestin related?
 
One Shot said:
alright so heres what im thinking for my cycle since this is my first time trying a real anabolic,,,im gonna run superdrol 3 weeks,,,with support supplements,

week 1 superdrol 10 mg ed
milk thistle 1000 mg ed
red rice yeast 1,200 mg ed it also has CoQ10 in it
hawthorne berry 1000 mg ed
fish/flax oil not sure how much to take alot i guess lol
taurine if i start to feel the pumps,,,

Week 2 superdrol 20 mg
same support supplements

Week 3 Superdrol 20 mg ed
support supplements

weeks 4-8 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/30/20/10
support supplements
+ Fenugreek
Dhea 200/200/100/100

also gonna use Purple Wraath/glycercrow/green magnitude,,,i love this stuff! and i think it should help me keep my gains when i go off the SD,,,

now i just need to figure out when to start the T3 and Clen,,and some doseage suggestions for that,any suggestions on those would be GREATLY appreciated i wanna do 2 week pulses

alright fellas let me know what yall think
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doesnt look too bad. good luck bro. lift hard and eat them carbs.
 
oh yeah!! im gonna eat real clean and bunches of carbs and protein when i start this,,and im just gonna wait to run the t3 and clen till maybe a month after my pct is done give my body some time to balance out before i mess with more hormones, i was like eh sd and then all this other crap, all at once,,,maybe not a good idea.
 
oh and fatburner wise,,never used anything this is all my first time,,,hence the reason i was asking for suggestions on the t3 and clen.
 
whats some lighter stuff that burns fat then? haha im going NUCLEAR yeah thats y i decided not to run t3 and clen with the sd just gonna hold off on that bright idea hahaha i get so confused id probably end up forgetting how much i took one day
 
One Shot said:
thats another question i wanna see what support supplements get recommended for the cycle as well!
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One Shot said:
alright so heres what im thinking for my cycle since this is my first time trying a real anabolic,,,im gonna run superdrol 3 weeks,,,with support supplements,

week 1 superdrol 10 mg ed
milk thistle 1000 mg ed
red rice yeast 1,200 mg ed it also has CoQ10 in it
hawthorne berry 1000 mg ed
fish/flax oil not sure how much to take alot i guess lol
taurine if i start to feel the pumps,,,

Week 2 superdrol 20 mg
same support supplements

Week 3 Superdrol 20 mg ed
support supplements
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I am curious why you are using each.
 
So from what I understand, the very, very original beta released chemical of superdrol no one knows that the nomenclature exactly is ?


However, all the Superdrols in production by AX/DS are exactly matched by CEL right ?
 
ReaperX said:
So from what I understand, the very, very original beta released chemical of superdrol no one knows that the nomenclature exactly is ?
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No, the original nomenclature for DS was the proper nomenclature for 17a methlyated Masteron (or super-reduced Anadrol, whichever you prefer)

However, all the Superdrols in production by AX/DS are exactly matched by CEL right ?
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Well, this is the point B-Fiddy is rising: He ran the original DS Superdrol as a beta tester; he then used the production run, and felt, anecdotally at least, they were different compounds.
 
EasyEJL said:
my blood pressure peaked at about 10/5 higher than normal. I saw a top of 136/82 while on 30mg of superdrol, at the time average for me was about 125/77. I was using cycle support tho. I think next time i'm likely to just use SAMe, and not much else. Partially just because of the other benefits SAMe brings.
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Mine was on the higher end when I started because I was already at a most heavy body weight. I would suspect that your reasonable dose schedule may have benefited you as well. Regardless of brand I think 30mg is quite plenty if not too much at least for my cost:benefit ratio these days. I've run several DS/SD cycles and the cost to benefit ratio skews negative quite exponentially passed 30mg JHMO...except of course with that beta material ;)
 
B5150 said:
Mine was on the higher end when I started because I was already at a most heavy body weight. I would suspect that your reasonable dose schedule may have benefited you as well. Regardless of brand I think 30mg is quite plenty if not too much at least for my cost:benefit ratio these days. I've run several DS/SD cycles and the cost to benefit ratio skews negative quite exponentially passed 30mg JHMO...except of course with that beta material ;)
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It seemed magical!

:)

In all seriousness though, the beta tester data reflects how Methylmasteron should react in the body - hypothetically. There is nothing about its pharmacokinetics which would make one assume it is a 'dirty' compound.
 
I'm not too likely to do superdrol again, for me it is still hitting a fly with a sledgehammer. if anything i may do a cycle of the AMS 1-ad in the next few months, but other than that i'm (partially against my better judgement but just because he's canadian) following mullets advice and sticking to natural substances at most :D Maybe 2-3 years from now i'll be at a point where I need something like superdrol, it really was a waste when I did it (partially cause I was cutting)
 
milk thistle for my liver, hawthorne berry to help keep bp in line, rry for cholesterol and the CoQ10 for the heart and cholesterol,,and the fish/flax oil for EFA,,i need alot of them for superdrol,,
 
and now im confused what i have the dhea for? im getting multiple answers,,someone says it helps prevent delayd gyno and another guy told me the exact opposite,,,damn getting,,,,confusedddddd
 
One Shot said:
milk thistle for my liver, hawthorne berry to help keep bp in line, rry for cholesterol and the CoQ10 for the heart and cholesterol,,and the fish/flax oil for EFA,,i need alot of them for superdrol,,
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Consider that hawthorn may take weeks to provide any benefits and RYR can be counterindicative to liver health.

Personally I always make antioxidant my primary focus. 600-900mg of ALA and 1200-1600mg of NAC.

BTW...JMHO but the money spent of these ancillaries may be better spent on a lipid panel and a CMP.

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ozarkaBRAND said:
Please explain further on this. Many many things can increase blood pressure, so why make this recommendation? I'll guarantee that weight training increases my bp.. That's for dang sure.
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Because Superdrol, along with most other methylated PHs and some nonmethylated (trenadrol if you count that) are known to significantly increase blood pressure. Add intense cardio to the situation and you could run into trouble. Yes weight training will cause an increase but not likely as much as cardio.
 
0.o,,,,ehhhhhhh darn,,,so should i preload the hawthorn hahahah,,and darn i didnt know about the red rice yeast,,,should i just run it for the duration of the pct then?
 
One Shot said:
0.o,,,,ehhhhhhh darn,,,so should i preload the hawthorn hahahah,,and darn i didnt know about the red rice yeast,,,should i just run it for the duration of the pct then?
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Preload the hawthorne by at least 2 weeks. I would avoid RYR for many reasons.
 
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