Anyone had new gyno on SD?

Anyone had new gyno start from using SD ?

  • I've only ever used SD and didn't get gyno

    Votes: 201 58.8%

  • I've only ever used SD and did get gyno

    Votes: 84 24.6%

  • I used SD and got gyno but I did have it before

    Votes: 57 16.7%
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DmitryWI said:
Just so you, people, know, my last superdrol cycle was last april, got gyno in july (I think) still fighting with it. As soon as I stop SERM or ATD it keeps coming back. I mean lump never went away, but it gets sensitive week after I stop using AI's or SERM.
I still have few bottles of SD left. **** goes to garbage for sure.
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Same boat here. What's the latest with your situation Dmitri?
 
My best stack ever (Not saying much as I have probably done about 5) was superdrol 10, 20, 20, 30 with dermal 4AD. It was also the toughest post cycle therapy as I could not consume enough calories to maintain gains. Probably came out of it with 4 solid lbs though of lbm.

Did not have any signs of gyno then. Only time I ever had sore nips was with 1 Test.
 
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just finished a sd cycle, 4 week run (3 was enough, gains stopped in 3rd week) ran 10/20/20/30. took AI's cycle support,fish oil,liv51,and ADAM multi-vit. in the 3rd week started DRIVE and RPM. so far nothing to report either during or now, although PCT started today with Torm. running 120 for the 1st 4 days then 80/60/30 still pushing Drive and Rpm also
 
lennoxchi said:
just finished a sd cycle, 4 week run (3 was enough, gains stopped in 3rd week) ran 10/20/20/30. took AI's cycle support,fish oil,liv51,and ADAM multi-vit. in the 3rd week started DRIVE and RPM. so far nothing to report either during or now, although PCT started today with Torm. running 120 for the 1st 4 days then 80/60/30 still pushing Drive and Rpm also
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How were your gains?
 
I find it amazing how users suddenly become MD's and know "I have gyno" I would like to see some kind of checklist done before people just spouting this stuff off. There is a difference between itchy nipples and gyno etc. :(
 
i used to have pubertal gyno (just got it removed), that means a hard painful lump behind puffed up nips. needless to say, I am very gyno prone. before I had it removed, i ran 3 superdrol cycles, and the gyno actually got SMALLER while on the cycle. however, it did flare up after pct was finished (pct consisted of nolva, 6oxo, and diff cort control). So i dont think that gyno while on superdrol should be much of a concern. A friend of mine actually got some rebound gyno after his second cycle of superdrol (he ran the same pct as me). he noticed that his gyno shruk as well while on his next cycle of superdrol, and then rebounded after pct,so this reaction was not only limited to myself.

This got me thinking, superdrol is essentially methyl masteron, and masteron has been shown to have some antiestrogenic properties. now, yes, the 17aa does change the reaction the body has to the chemical, but i believe that this characteristic has remained. Anyone ever notice how they lose a lot of water after starting a superdrol cycle? (absence of this effect and consequently bloating may be due to an improperly synthesized clone, made from anadrol, and may still may contain some anadrol) This leads me to belive that superdrol has some anti-estrogenic properties as well. As far a increased prolactin, i believe this is a combination of its anti-estrogenic properties (supression of natty test plus an anti-estrogen leads to low estrogen. supressing E2 too much causes prolactin to rise) and superdrol's similarities to anadrol. Some people forget that superdrol is not simply methyl masteron, but also a "super saturated anadrol" as the original write up suggests. This means that instead of the 2a-hydroxymethylene that anadrol posess, superdrol (like masteron) has a 2a-methyl group. This gives superdrol some characteristics similar to anadrol, in my belief, namely the abillity to directly stimulate progesterone receptors. This combination leads to the prolactin induced sides.

Another thing to consider is the use of an AI in conjunction with a serm. think about it, when there is little estrogen present in the body, there is little need to further supress it in pct, like thesinner states, the object of pct(which causes hpta rebound) is not to iradicate estrogen, but control it. For superdrol, a serm alone is enough to achieve this. the prolonged suppression of estrogen only leads to increased prolactin and a greater chance for rebound gyno due to estrogen rebound after pct.

This is just a thought, but if anyone else has any input, feel free
 
I would be interested to know and would like everyone to fill out :) the following:

Length Of Cycle:

Cycle Dosages:

Length of PCT:

PCT Supps Used:

Previous Cycles:

M1T Usage?:

Post PCT Notes:

Length of Time From End PCT To Flare Up:

Previous Gyno?:

Gyno Sensitive?:

SERM Used?:

Type of SERM?:

Symptoms On Cycle?:

How Far Into Cycle Symptoms Appear?:

Description:
thesinner said:
Superdrol:
Innovator: Designer Supplements
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound. From personal experience, it gives me a wicked rebound, that causes some flare-up.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)
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Length Of Cycle: 4 weeks

Cycle Dosages: 10/20/20/20

Length of PCT: 4 weeks

PCT Supps Used: Nolva

Previous Cycles: none

M1T Usage?: no

Post PCT Notes: n/a

Length of Time From End PCT To Flare Up: n/a

Previous Gyno?: no

Gyno Sensitive?: no

SERM Used?: n/a

Type of SERM?: n/a

Symptoms On Cycle?: back pumps

How Far Into Cycle Symptoms Appear?: 2nd week, with pulse I am doing now 1st week
 
stu_r said:
As per title.

Wondering if anybody has taken Superdrol and ended up with gyno. More interested in those that have never had gyno before rather than a reoccurence of previous gyno.

Yes I know it's meant to be unlikely I found on the boards a few SD and gyno cases but most seemed to be a reoccurence of previous gyno
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people if you take the proper anti estrogens such as arimidex during cycle and then have nolvadex the real stuff on hand afterwards you should not see any gyno whatsoever...I think that people need to research and educate themselves a lil more before they use synthetics....even the person most susceptible to gyno can keep from having those effects if they take proper procedures during and after cycle.
 
clayu86 said:
people if you take the proper anti estrogens such as arimidex during cycle and then have nolvadex the real stuff on hand afterwards you should not see any gyno whatsoever...I think that people need to research and educate themselves a lil more before they use synthetics....even the person most susceptible to gyno can keep from having those effects if they take proper procedures during and after cycle.
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it seems the rebound is getting alot of people.........possibly delayed gyno, months later? thats not under normal PCT protocol.
 
True that but no harm in running a low dosage AI post pct is there. I would go with either form or the new ether form from Dsade / RPN.
 
i remember a member on here.....macrophege????????? or something to that nature.

He stated novla was a no-no for a progesterone(SD).......

to use clomid, liquidex and or letro(gyno).

what the hell is his member name?

then maybe i can find that thread.......


that a rebound was almost a certainty if nolva was used...

i directed a buddy on a 4 week SD cycle.....gyno symptoms crept in late of week 2........ we implemented liquidex........ .5mg EOD for 2 weeks(end of cycle), then introduced a normal protocol of clomid-4 weeks, while concurrently tapering the liquidex down another 4 weeks and he came out fine........with no gyno rebound....

he was lean, diet was in check.......alot of chicken and brown rice.......... no other test boosters........


my 2 cents..........
 
Kristofer68SS said:
i remember a member on here.....macrophege????????? or something to that nature.

He stated novla was a no-no for a progesterone(SD).......

to use clomid, liquidex and or letro(gyno).

what the hell is his member name?

then maybe i can find that thread.......


that a rebound was almost a certainty if nolva was used...

i directed a buddy on a 4 week SD cycle.....gyno symptoms crept in late of week 2........ we implemented liquidex........ .5mg EOD for 2 weeks(end of cycle), then introduced a normal protocol of clomid-4 weeks, while concurrently tapering the liquidex down another 4 weeks and he came out fine........with no gyno rebound....

he was lean, diet was in check.......alot of chicken and brown rice.......... no other test boosters........


my 2 cents..........
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nolva does not cause a rebound since it is an estrogen itself that binds to the other estrogens....arimidex also does not have rebounds...now if you use a steroidal anti estrogen you will have a rebound most certainly. Ive never heard of anyone having rebounds from nolva though since it doesnt block estrogen that much anyways...to get a rebound youd have to completely delete the estrogen with an anti estrogen that inhibits something like 85 - 100%. In that case you might have a rebound. Nolva doesnt kill the estrogen it only blocks it.
 
Ive used it with no ill effects in the gyno dept.I actually experimented with it to reduce gyno since it doesnt aromatise and it worked but it was VERY hard on my system so I DONT recommend this.
 
I believe that rebound is very likely from suicide inhibitors not[ steroidal anti E's.

Steroidals fool the body into thinking that there is estro present but SI's only attach to the aromatase enzyme so more enzyme is produced to compensate.
 
i am just stating what a fellow member on here stated.

I took the advice and will continue to adhere to it, hence posting the results of 1 cycle. Take it for what its worth.

We are talking progesterone here, folks. And its titty causing sides- prolactin......this is not typical test.

I am not saying Nolva dont work, and will not work successfully... I am just stating my stance on it with a PCT in regards of using a "progesterone".

damnt i wish i could find that thread.

i do not recommend nolva for a SD pct.....

thats my story and i am sticking to it.
 
You have people that will not change there stance on certain protocols of pct for certain steroids.....

I just know what i will advise and what i will/do personally......

and nolva for superdrol is NOT one of my choices.....

period....

good link, alot of information........
 
i repeat............

Do NOT use nolva for a pct in regards to Superdrol, Phera Plex and all its bastard clones......

Clomid and Adex or
Clomid and Aromasin

Unless of course you want man boobs.......
 
Kristofer68SS said:
i repeat............

Do NOT use nolva for a pct in regards to Superdrol, Phera Plex and all its bastard clones......

Clomid and Adex or
Clomid and Aromasin

Unless of course you want man boobs.......
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so an example of a pct with clomid and adex or aromasin woiuld be....

sorry, noob to those
 
eb86 said:
so an example of a pct with clomid and adex or aromasin woiuld be....

sorry, noob to those
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as of late, i am done with any recommendations on PCT. Everyone seems to think there PCT is the one to choose.

I will state this. I am leaning towards too much of a pct with SD can cause gyno. I believe dosage and tapering of the pct is important as well. I lean to "less is more", within reason. This is not typical test, so typical test pct protocols may or may not work. I.E. Nolva and clomid.

Search and Research bro.

I will state this. I would use a well planned OTC or clomid/ldex as pct. Tapering the AI down. I would also run B6 at 250mg/ed for during cycle and well past pct.

I have done many searches on SD , PCT and gyno. The verdict is still out. I have spent hours upon hours reading.
 
Update on my sd, did a 8 week pulse cycle with no pct. Now on week 3 of another Sd cycle 1 more week to go. PCT plans to be spot on. Speaking of pct, I better order some stuff, I only have nolva on hand!
 
ITHURTZ said:
Update on my sd, did a 8 week pulse cycle with no pct. Now on week 3 of another Sd cycle 1 more week to go. PCT plans to be spot on. Speaking of pct, I better order some stuff, I only have nolva on hand!
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thanks for the update.
I still cant decide on whether I want to pull the trigger and try a 10/10/10 of it.
 
IMO go for it, 10mg aint to much. Just make sure you know 100% what your doing, pct plan and diet etc.
 
eb86 said:
thanks for the update.
I still cant decide on whether I want to pull the trigger and try a 10/10/10 of it.
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thats how i would do it. 21 days, light dosage, see how you respond....... then jump off.

run B6, possibley just an OTC PCT. I wouldnt go too heavy on the AI side either way.........

friggin SD is tricky. I believe it is VERY person independant.

some say the **** is so harsh, only research chems are worthy. while others are doing OTC or no PCT............
 
used SD at 10mg for 1st week then bumped it to 20mg at beginning of 2nd week.... bad mistake for me personally... now have gyno that i can't get rid of... i had some bad sides from SD that no one else has mentioned that i've seen anyways.
 
i have a lump of existing gyno from a previous cycle. have already used letro and tormifene. reduced its symtoms..

i have been looking forward to using SuperDrol, but have been doing a fair amount of reseach and do not want my gyno to flair up and get worse.

I think that I understand that if i take the recomended dosages on box, cycle with an estrogen blocker and pct wit nolva i should be alright.

Help me with this cycle, how should i do it??
 
KingClassic19 said:
i have a lump of existing gyno from a previous cycle. have already used letro and tormifene. reduced its symtoms..

i have been looking forward to using SuperDrol, but have been doing a fair amount of reseach and do not want my gyno to flair up and get worse.

I think that I understand that if i take the recomended dosages on box, cycle with an estrogen blocker and pct wit nolva i should be alright.

Help me with this cycle, how should i do it??
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I have not run SD myself but if I ever decide to crack open the bottle sitting in my freezer, this is how I would do it.

- run SD at 10/20/20 for three weeks; this seems to be an adequate dose for most and will help minimize health-related sides

- take moderate dose of Nolvadex for three weeks following the cycle (i.e. 30/20/10) along with a natural test booster (e.g. Diesel Test Hardcore) and an anti-cort such as AX Retain or DS Lean Xtreme

- start a low dose AI (such as ATD or 6-bromo) in the third week of PCT alongside the 10mg of nolva; take the AI for 3-4 weeks then taper and discontinue

I've noticed most of the threads I've read by guys who got gyno or delayed gyno from SD went heavy on the AIs immediately into PCT. This leads me to believe that SD (which may exhibit anti-e properties of it's own) together with use of an AI immediately following the cycle drastically suppresses estrogen causing a pronounced rebound effect some weeks after.

Anyway, take it for what it's worth...just my two cents. Actually, lately I've been thinking I may try to pulse SD for four or five weeks rather than use it in a conventional cycle...haven't decided either way though.

Good luck!
 
I took Sd again about 6 weeks ago for a cut, worked nailed me hardcore so I never got around to the cut so basically a waste of a cycle. For my PCT this time I used nolva, 6oxo extreme and PCS. My first time when I did it years ago I only did nolva. When I pulsed it I used nothing. The only thing I figured out was 3-4 bananas a day ment no use for taurine as back pumps didnt exist:thumbsup:!
 
bb4life said:
used SD at 10mg for 1st week then bumped it to 20mg at beginning of 2nd week.... bad mistake for me personally... now have gyno that i can't get rid of... i had some bad sides from SD that no one else has mentioned that i've seen anyways.
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yes please elaborate.......

any other supplements at all involved before and after?

what was your pct?

honestly, are you gyno prone?

what other sides, those seem like low dosages.

more info the better.

please and thank you.
 
Ya I wanna hear these sides to. I hope you didnt drink while on it, that opens a WOORRRRLLLLD of problems.
 
ITHURTZ said:
I took Sd again about 6 weeks ago for a cut, worked nailed me hardcore so I never got around to the cut so basically a waste of a cycle. For my PCT this time I used nolva, 6oxo extreme and PCS. My first time when I did it years ago I only did nolva. When I pulsed it I used nothing. The only thing I figured out was 3-4 bananas a day ment no use for taurine as back pumps didnt exist:thumbsup:!
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Interested in hearing about your SD pulse bro:

- how many weeks was your cycle?
- what dosing protocol did you use?
- how many times a week did you dose/workout?
- what were your gains like?
- did you use a test booster and/or anti-cort on the days you didn't dose?

So many questions, so little time....thanks in advance.
 
Ninjo said:
Interested in hearing about your SD pulse bro:

- how many weeks was your cycle?
- what dosing protocol did you use?
- how many times a week did you dose/workout?
- what were your gains like?
- did you use a test booster and/or anti-cort on the days you didn't dose?

So many questions, so little time....thanks in advance.
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8 weeks
10mg split, 20mg a day 10mg 1.5hrs before workout 10mg right after
I dosed M W F

Gains werent what I was really aiming for, but my squat went up 40lbs for 5 reps. Bench was limited since I already max out the dumbells, but with tape I was doing 140's like nothing, then got yelled at and I could no longer tape.

No boosters or antis were used. It was more of a lets see how this pulse works for me. I have one bottle left so sometime in sept maybe I will do another pulse and really put it to the test
 
ITHURTZ said:
8 weeks
10mg split, 20mg a day 10mg 1.5hrs before workout 10mg right after
I dosed M W F

Gains werent what I was really aiming for, but my squat went up 40lbs for 5 reps. Bench was limited since I already max out the dumbells, but with tape I was doing 140's like nothing, then got yelled at and I could no longer tape.

No boosters or antis were used. It was more of a lets see how this pulse works for me. I have one bottle left so sometime in sept maybe I will do another pulse and really put it to the test
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Thanks for the info. So you didn't have any problems recovering even without a PCT??
 
Nope none what so ever. Its kind of a gamble. In the how to pulse thread some did pct, and others did not. I had nolva on hand though just in case, but never used it. It was interesting though how the pros back in the 70's they never had PCT and from reading, they pulsed all there cycles which I guess never really gives your body a chance to really shut down.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
yes please elaborate.......

any other supplements at all involved before and after?

what was your pct?

honestly, are you gyno prone?

what other sides, those seem like low dosages.

more info the better.

please and thank you.
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they are low dosages... but immediately upon starting i had insomnia bad. i literally laid in bed starring at my ceiling for 8 hours for the first four nights. on the 5th night i maybe got a few hours of sleep finally... as were the rest of the nights i used it. before this i had never experienced insomnia. SD also killed my appetite bad... the only things i could choke down were protein shakes and fruits. looking at any other foods made me feel sick. I really should have quit using it then but i was still working out everyday and even with barely any sleep and not eating much i could see a huge difference in the gym. so i upped the dosage to 20mg and my nips started hurting. i honestly didn't know about gyno and didn't even know much about what i was taking or what was really needed for pct. i talked to a guy at my gym who had used SD before and he told me to get on an AI... so that's what i tried. after a couple more days at 20mg the gyno had gotten pretty bad and i quit taking it and finished off the AI as well as another bottle of it. I didn't know what a serm was or that it was needed. my body was shut down so badly after that. I got depressed and always felt like ****. my body had been screwed up until i did a cycle of epistane with real pct just recently. my gyno actually got worse however on the epi even though i was using low doses.
 
The lethargy your speaking of from Sd was a lack of carbs. SD NEEDS carbs and a good amount. So from that I can say your diet wasnt up to par from a lack of proper research.

As for the gyno flair up, you could just be some of the few that is extremely gyno prone. Nolva and the like can only do so much, then surgery is the only option to get rid of it. If I was you, and got gyno like that (assuming you WERE on top of PCT, and researched them all to the max) I would stay far away from oral/injectable steroids. But from the reading, you just lacked research and basically got what was comming to you for jumping the gun.

And if your body, as you said, was f-ed up, I would probably want to go to the doc's and get a blood test
 
well you basically said it right about the lack of research... that was a few years ago and i wasn't smart about everything. as for my diet, it was a perfect as i could get it before starting sd...
 
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