Androsterone

Late to the game here and really don't follow these pro hormones. But is Androsterone 1-AD or 3-AD?
 
DieselNY said:
Late to the game here and really don't follow these pro hormones. But is Androsterone 1-AD or 3-AD?
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Neither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...

I digress. Androsterone is Androsterone.
 
nostrum420 said:
Neither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...

I digress. Androsterone is Androsterone.
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Nos saves us with the simplicity haha
 
nostrum420 said:
Neither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...

I digress. Androsterone is Androsterone.
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Thanks and it's chemical name would be 3-hydroxy-5-androst-1-en-17-one ?
 
tubzy said:
Again - I will ask for the third time since you seem to keep giving me your baseless opinion. Please present evidence that masteron has higher affinity to DHT than actual DHT itself.
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Again. This evidence (literature) does not exist.

Are you not aware that AAS are schedule 3 controlled substance? We only studied them for a very short period of time, maybe 100 years. They were studied in clinical trials, at controlled dosages. Therefore we can only learn from anecdotal experience; as supra physiological dosages of AAS were never studied in medical literature!

I will correct you all day bro. Your dumb little references and highlighted graphs are irrelevant. You want to act like your so knowledgeable on AAS, however don't even use them! Keep spreading your bullshit misinformation around
 
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tubzy said:
Not only is masteron weaker than DHT on paper but it was even shown to be less virilizing than test propionate in clinical practice :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. You not only lost your initial argument of masteron being more powerful androgenically than pure DHT but even testosterone showed stronger androgenic properties than it.
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Let me school you real fast. ANY hormone circulating in the body needs to within a certain range; including.. you guessed it; DHT!

This is what you DON'T understand. The ONLY hormone we want @ supra physiological levels is T. For example! Just as too much estrogen will wreak havoc in the male body; you guessed it! Having too much DHT in the body, Progestrone, etc. Every other hormone with the exception of T; they need to be within range in order to reach homeostasis within the body 🏌
 
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Dmzjne said:
Let me school you real fast. ANY hormone circulating in the body needs to within a certain range; including.. you guessed it; DHT!

This is what you DON'T understand. The ONLY hormone we want @ supra physiological levels is T. For example! Just as too much estrogen will wreak havoc in the male body; you guessed it! Having too much DHT is the body, Progestrone, etc. Every other hormone with the exception of T; they need to be within range in order to reach homeostasis within the body 🏌
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I'm sorry, what?

Supplementing DHT would absolutely be performance enhancing.
 
nostrum420 said:
I'm sorry, what?

Supplementing DHT would absolutely be performance enhancing.
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Incorrect. Without exogenous T, taking androstanolone (exogenous DHT) would only enhance performance for a short time. The body would also start developing unnecessary side effects; for what little performing enhancing benefit you would achieve
 
Dmzjne said:
Hmm right..

I'm here to learn bro. Anything I have posted is just based on my experience with AAS and bodybuilding, which is nothing to scoff at
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Going back to this then:

Dmzjne said:
Androsterone has a backway door mechanism to DHT. Therefore, although it bypasses 5 alpha reductase; there is no direct conversion to DHT
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It depends on what you mean by "direct." Androsterone will metabolize into androstandiol and androstandione either of which can then metabolize into DHT.

I'm not sure about this back door you speak of but I'm aroused... I mean, intrigued.
 
Dmzjne said:
Incorrect. Without exogenous T, taking androstanolone (exogenous DHT) would only enhance performance for a short time. The body would also start developing unnecessary side effects; for what little performing enhancing benefit you would achieve
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I mean, yeah, the effect would subside upon cessation of the therapy. There are some side effects but they tend to be well understood... the same is true of supplementing testosterone, though.
 
nostrum420 said:
I mean, yeah, the effect would subside upon cessation of the therapy. There are some side effects but they tend to be well understood... the same is true of supplementing testosterone, though.
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I suppose this can be said about exogenous T

However as we age the benefits of TRT start to outweigh the negatives IMO
 
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Dmzjne said:
Again. This evidence (literature) does not exist.

Are you not aware that AAS are schedule 3 controlled substance? We only studied them for a very short period of time, maybe 100 years. They were studied in clinical trials, at controlled dosages. Therefore we can only learn from anecdotal experience; as supra physiological dosages of AAS were never studied in medical literature!

I will correct you all day bro. Your dumb little references and highlighted graphs are irrelevant. You want to act like your so knowledgeable on AAS, however don't even use them! Keep spreading your bullshit misinformation around 💪
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Perfect - it doesn't exist. Thanks for clearing that up. Now I can stop wasting my time arguing with someone who is literally just making theories up with no evidence.

You don't need to use masteron at high doses to understand its affinity - I hope you understand that.
 
Edit: Didn't mean to post a competing product
 
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Dmzjne said:
Doubtful IML is still selling this. But they have R andro (androsterone)



Taking piperine generally should be avoided, completely. If you want benefits of black pepper, season your food



I wouldn't trust this company, or most of the newer companies around selling andro's and sarms
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EDIT- Sorry didn't mean to post a competing product
 
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tubzy said:
Perfect - it doesn't exist. Thanks for clearing that up. Now I can stop wasting my time arguing with someone who is literally just making theories up with no evidence.

You don't need to use masteron at high doses to understand its affinity - I hope you understand that.
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Hmm I wonder how is it; we realized that superdrol, M1T, trest, dienolone, methyl tren ( just to name a few)

How did we realize what these compounds did, and how they worked?? Because there is zero literature on several AAS/ DS. I'll say it again! We cannot make definitive statements based on the literature alone!

We know they work from anecdotal research. Not baseless theory!
 
WesleyInman said:
Sir we own Musclegelz aka Invalid Link Removed and we do sell AndroHard, I personally assisted in this. It's 50mgs of Epiandro.and 50mgs of androsterone per 3 pumps of lotion. It's the exact product that Primordial sold in topical form.

Nice right?
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I have used AndroHard numerous times from MuscleGelz and it’s one of my favorites.
 
thebigt said:
good seeing you posting again wes!!!
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Nice to see you as always

I got summoned back here and Im pissed off and not nice, as you might tell in some of my posts.

Im here to chew bubble gum and whip some ass and Im all out of bubble gum.

Just kidding. Much love to you man and that iconic formula is excellent

I have a product from them as we speak , its the seven keto product. I forget the name but im using it as we speak in my stack of like twenty things LMAO
 
thebigt said:
yeah i went to order some alpha seven but it's sold out--thanks a lot, lol....i recently broke my personal record and ran either 6 or 7 topicals at once--my wife said i spend more time in bathroom than either of our daughters did :love:

btw-last time i chewed bubblegum it had baseball cards included....:geek:
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You mean taking 3 showers a day and reusing nitrile gloves 3 to 4 times a day is not normal?
 
I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
 
ZOO said:
I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
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Oops my bad man. I thought this was general discussion.

You know me, I wouldn't intentionally disrespect you ever. You and I are old friends. Let me go back and delete what I posted. Damn I need to pay better attention.
 
ZOO said:
I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
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i've made 3 posts in this thread---all of which have now been deleted.

i honestly thought this was in the supplement forum-this will be my last post in this thread---good luck to you @ZOO
 
ZOO said:
I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
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Would be in for sure for capped if there is no other ingredients besides androsterone. Really hard to make the doses flexible if there is bioperine or grapefruit extract due to potential ingestion/bloating.
 
WesleyInman said:
Oops my bad man. I thought this was general discussion.

You know me, I wouldn't intentionally disrespect you ever. You and I are old friends. Let me go back and delete what I posted. Damn I need to pay better attention.
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You’re my boy, Wesley. I’m never mad at you! You helped me tons ;)
 
thebigt said:
i've made 3 posts in this thread---all of which have now been deleted.

i honestly thought this was in the supplement forum-this will be my last post in this thread---good luck to you @ZOO
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It’s cool man. Thank you. Don’t feel like you aren’t welcome here though.
 
tubzy said:
Would be in for sure for capped if there is no other ingredients besides androsterone. Really hard to make the doses flexible if there is bioperine or grapefruit extract due to potential ingestion/bloating.
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Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.
 
I'm not even sure if Bioperine is necessary. I'd probably skip that to save some money. Would rather have as high of a dose of Androsterone as possible and skip bioperine.
 
ZOO said:
Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.
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I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.
 
BigGame84 said:
I'm not even sure if Bioperine is necessary. I'd probably skip that to save some money. Would rather have as high of a dose of Androsterone as possible and skip bioperine.
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Tbh it won’t effect the cost enough one way or the other. It’ll be the same mg of androsterone regardless. The bioperine is almost negligible in the cost production by comparison XD


StrongGuy said:
I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.
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noted! Thanks for the input Strong!
 
StrongGuy said:
I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.
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If you want bioperine though why not just use some ground pepper separately? It doesn't take much to get the absorption enhancement out of it (5mg is so miniscule). I'm just saying if its blended into the capsules it restricts the people that like to dose it higher as we have no choice.

Epiplex has 20mg of bioperine in it. I can't go over two capsules at one time or my stomach bloats from the bioperine. Could just be my personal experience but I have read other users on here who had issues with too much bioperine too.
 
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ZOO said:
Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.
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I would say both myself and a few others. From my side, I rebooted this thread topic in hopes to get a pure androsterone source as oral IML R-Andro is no longer available even though they had bioperine/grapefruit extract it was the closest supp at the time for androsterone only.

I think it depends what you dose your androsterone per capsule though which will really determine how much bioperine will impact.

I run into trouble around the 40mg of bioperine. I personally can't go over that but not sure about others.
 
tubzy said:
I would say both myself and a few others. From my side, I rebooted this thread topic in hopes to get a pure androsterone source as oral IML R-Andro is no longer available even though they had bioperine/grapefruit extract it was the closest supp at the time for androsterone only.

I think it depends what you dose your androsterone per capsule though which will really determine how much bioperine will impact.

I run into trouble around the 40mg of bioperine. I personally can't go over that but not sure about others.
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Appreciate your candid feedback and experiences. I didn’t consider the possible distress it could cause. Perhaps the more conservative 5mg dose would be a good compromise. More than likely will include it in some fashion. But will confirm later.
 
You guys might consider moving an argument out of ZOO's area.
Be considerate.
 
Yeah, I agree with Renew. The thread is taking a nasty turn which I'm a bit sad about because it was nice intellectual back and forth about some neat compounds for a little bit. Again, no hate or anything here, guys. I'm glad to have everyone who has come to the thread but let's keep things more civil. Thanks!
 
nostrum420 said:
Remember when boards had moderators? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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I remember when people reported posts.

Out of all the people complaining, one person reported it 5 minutes ago. Funny, huh?
 
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Admin said:
I remember when people reported posts.

Out of all the people complaining, one person reported it 5 minutes ago. Funny, huh?
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People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.

That being said, I'm not necessarily advocating for going back to that system, exactly as it was. The mod system can definitely be a double edged sword.

Mostly, I was just crackin' wise.
 
nostrum420 said:
People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.

That being said, I'm not necessarily advocating for going back to that system, exactly as it was. The mod system can definitely be a double edged sword.

Mostly, I was just crackin' wise.
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nostrum420 said:
People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.

That being said, I'm not necessarily advocating for going back to that system, exactly as it was. The mod system can definitely be a double edged sword.

Mostly, I was just crackin' wise.
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We've been more proactive that almost every forum out there of keeping the drama out.....that being said if people are posting in the middle of the night and nobody reports it, I simply do not know what's going on and things like this thread get out of hand. Once reported, I can clean it up and get rid of people who can't behave...and lately that seems to be a lot of people.
 
Admin said:
We've been more proactive that almost every forum out there of keeping the drama out.....that being said if people are posting in the middle of the night and nobody reports it, I simply do not know what's going on and things like this thread get out of hand. Once reported, I can clean it up and get rid of people who can't behave...and lately that seems to be a lot of people.
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Fair.
 
Back on topic
Androsterone, is that typically used a stacker to another compound? What exactly is the difference compared to the other andros ?

Forgive me if it was discussed in that really sweet pissing match that I skipped over
 
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