So many wrong things being said... SMH
Neither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...Late to the game here and really don't follow these pro hormones. But is Androsterone 1-AD or 3-AD?
Nos saves us with the simplicity hahaNeither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...
I digress. Androsterone is Androsterone.
Thanks and it's chemical name would be 3-hydroxy-5-androst-1-en-17-one ?Neither. Androsterone is usually just listed as androsterone or sometimes R-andro but some R-andro supps are possibly just Epiandro with wierd nomenclature on the label...
I digress. Androsterone is Androsterone.
That's 1-Andro.Thanks and it's chemical name would be 3-hydroxy-5-androst-1-en-17-one ?
Again. This evidence (literature) does not exist.Again - I will ask for the third time since you seem to keep giving me your baseless opinion. Please present evidence that masteron has higher affinity to DHT than actual DHT itself.
Let me school you real fast. ANY hormone circulating in the body needs to within a certain range; including.. you guessed it; DHT!Not only is masteron weaker than DHT on paper but it was even shown to be less virilizing than test propionate in clinical practice . You not only lost your initial argument of masteron being more powerful androgenically than pure DHT but even testosterone showed stronger androgenic properties than it.
You were almost there, though. The "1-en" part is what makes it "1"-Androsterone. Androsterone is 3a-hydroxy-5a-androst-17-oneThanks and it's chemical name would be 3-hydroxy-5-androst-1-en-17-one ?
I'm sorry, what?Let me school you real fast. ANY hormone circulating in the body needs to within a certain range; including.. you guessed it; DHT!
This is what you DON'T understand. The ONLY hormone we want @ supra physiological levels is T. For example! Just as too much estrogen will wreak havoc in the male body; you guessed it! Having too much DHT is the body, Progestrone, etc. Every other hormone with the exception of T; they need to be within range in order to reach homeostasis within the body
Hmm right..So many wrong things being said... SMH
Incorrect. Without exogenous T, taking androstanolone (exogenous DHT) would only enhance performance for a short time. The body would also start developing unnecessary side effects; for what little performing enhancing benefit you would achieveI'm sorry, what?
Supplementing DHT would absolutely be performance enhancing.
Going back to this then:Hmm right..
I'm here to learn bro. Anything I have posted is just based on my experience with AAS and bodybuilding, which is nothing to scoff at
It depends on what you mean by "direct." Androsterone will metabolize into androstandiol and androstandione either of which can then metabolize into DHT.Androsterone has a backway door mechanism to DHT. Therefore, although it bypasses 5 alpha reductase; there is no direct conversion to DHT
I mean, yeah, the effect would subside upon cessation of the therapy. There are some side effects but they tend to be well understood... the same is true of supplementing testosterone, though.Incorrect. Without exogenous T, taking androstanolone (exogenous DHT) would only enhance performance for a short time. The body would also start developing unnecessary side effects; for what little performing enhancing benefit you would achieve
I suppose this can be said about exogenous TI mean, yeah, the effect would subside upon cessation of the therapy. There are some side effects but they tend to be well understood... the same is true of supplementing testosterone, though.
Here you go bro , it's just getting good!I’m out of popcorn
Perfect - it doesn't exist. Thanks for clearing that up. Now I can stop wasting my time arguing with someone who is literally just making theories up with no evidence.Again. This evidence (literature) does not exist.
Are you not aware that AAS are schedule 3 controlled substance? We only studied them for a very short period of time, maybe 100 years. They were studied in clinical trials, at controlled dosages. Therefore we can only learn from anecdotal experience; as supra physiological dosages of AAS were never studied in medical literature!
I will correct you all day bro. Your dumb little references and highlighted graphs are irrelevant. You want to act like your so knowledgeable on AAS, however don't even use them! Keep spreading your bullshit misinformation around
EDIT- Sorry didn't mean to post a competing productDoubtful IML is still selling this. But they have R andro (androsterone)
Taking piperine generally should be avoided, completely. If you want benefits of black pepper, season your food
I wouldn't trust this company, or most of the newer companies around selling andro's and sarms
Hmm I wonder how is it; we realized that superdrol, M1T, trest, dienolone, methyl tren ( just to name a few)Perfect - it doesn't exist. Thanks for clearing that up. Now I can stop wasting my time arguing with someone who is literally just making theories up with no evidence.
You don't need to use masteron at high doses to understand its affinity - I hope you understand that.
Sir we own Musclegelz aka www.musclegelz.com and we do sell AndroHard, I personally assisted in this. It's 50mgs of Epiandro.and 50mgs of androsterone per 3 pumps of lotion. It's the exact product that Primordial sold in topical form.
Nice right?
Nice to see you as alwaysgood seeing you posting again wes!!!
You mean taking 3 showers a day and reusing nitrile gloves 3 to 4 times a day is not normal?yeah i went to order some alpha seven but it's sold out--thanks a lot, lol....i recently broke my personal record and ran either 6 or 7 topicals at once--my wife said i spend more time in bathroom than either of our daughters did
btw-last time i chewed bubblegum it had baseball cards included....
Oops my bad man. I thought this was general discussion.I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
Never said I didn't enjoy a trip to the circus!
i've made 3 posts in this thread---all of which have now been deleted.I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
Would be in for sure for capped if there is no other ingredients besides androsterone. Really hard to make the doses flexible if there is bioperine or grapefruit extract due to potential ingestion/bloating.I like how the VL subforum has become a place for people to advertise other companies lol. Especially when I’m possibly releasing capped Androsterone.
You’re my boy, Wesley. I’m never mad at you! You helped me tonsOops my bad man. I thought this was general discussion.
You know me, I wouldn't intentionally disrespect you ever. You and I are old friends. Let me go back and delete what I posted. Damn I need to pay better attention.
It’s cool man. Thank you. Don’t feel like you aren’t welcome here though.i've made 3 posts in this thread---all of which have now been deleted.
i honestly thought this was in the supplement forum-this will be my last post in this thread---good luck to you @ZOO
Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.Would be in for sure for capped if there is no other ingredients besides androsterone. Really hard to make the doses flexible if there is bioperine or grapefruit extract due to potential ingestion/bloating.
I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.
Tbh it won’t effect the cost enough one way or the other. It’ll be the same mg of androsterone regardless. The bioperine is almost negligible in the cost production by comparison XDI'm not even sure if Bioperine is necessary. I'd probably skip that to save some money. Would rather have as high of a dose of Androsterone as possible and skip bioperine.
noted! Thanks for the input Strong!I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.
If you want bioperine though why not just use some ground pepper separately? It doesn't take much to get the absorption enhancement out of it (5mg is so miniscule). I'm just saying if its blended into the capsules it restricts the people that like to dose it higher as we have no choice.I like having the bioperine added. Definitely not trying to start an argument, I don't have the time or the energy for that. My vote is just simply for some kind of absorption enhancement addition for what its worth.
I would say both myself and a few others. From my side, I rebooted this thread topic in hopes to get a pure androsterone source as oral IML R-Andro is no longer available even though they had bioperine/grapefruit extract it was the closest supp at the time for androsterone only.Does the bioperine generally cause issue? Or is it more exclusive to yourself? I’ve not heard any complaints but want to get feedback all around. It’s a very popular ingredients which is why I tend to use it. The upcoming releases have 5mg in addition to the individual androsterone or Epiandrosterone. And if I’m being completely honest, it certainly carries its cost value in its added sale value.
Appreciate your candid feedback and experiences. I didn’t consider the possible distress it could cause. Perhaps the more conservative 5mg dose would be a good compromise. More than likely will include it in some fashion. But will confirm later.I would say both myself and a few others. From my side, I rebooted this thread topic in hopes to get a pure androsterone source as oral IML R-Andro is no longer available even though they had bioperine/grapefruit extract it was the closest supp at the time for androsterone only.
I think it depends what you dose your androsterone per capsule though which will really determine how much bioperine will impact.
I run into trouble around the 40mg of bioperine. I personally can't go over that but not sure about others.
I remember when people reported posts.Remember when boards had moderators? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.I remember when people reported posts.
Out of all the people complaining, one person reported it 5 minutes ago. Funny, huh?
ReportedI remember when people reported posts.
Out of all the people complaining, one person reported it 5 minutes ago. Funny, huh?
People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.
That being said, I'm not necessarily advocating for going back to that system, exactly as it was. The mod system can definitely be a double edged sword.
Mostly, I was just crackin' wise.
We've been more proactive that almost every forum out there of keeping the drama out.....that being said if people are posting in the middle of the night and nobody reports it, I simply do not know what's going on and things like this thread get out of hand. Once reported, I can clean it up and get rid of people who can't behave...and lately that seems to be a lot of people.People never reported posts on any of the boards I've been a mod for. We always had to be proactive.
That being said, I'm not necessarily advocating for going back to that system, exactly as it was. The mod system can definitely be a double edged sword.
Mostly, I was just crackin' wise.
Banned.Reported
Fair.We've been more proactive that almost every forum out there of keeping the drama out.....that being said if people are posting in the middle of the night and nobody reports it, I simply do not know what's going on and things like this thread get out of hand. Once reported, I can clean it up and get rid of people who can't behave...and lately that seems to be a lot of people.
Also fair.Banned.
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