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AndroMass - Gain 8-12lbs of lean mass – SAFELY – in 4-6 weeks.

jjbogner said:
PP Reps, as most of you know I have started a log of the Androlean portion of my cycle and as of now I'm at a crossroad... I weighed in at 221, up 1 from last week. Granted this could just be water weight or that I need to take a sh!t, but still I'm hesitant to pull the calorie drop trigger... my goals are to lean up a bit and solidify all my gains to put me in the best position going into PCT...so to the pp reps, how important is a calorie deficit for Androlean to work? I was throwing down 3800 cals and have cut down to 3200ish and have added back in cardiovascular to every workout, which before lean I was doing none. granted I'm sure the test is messing with me a bit, but, Should i just press foward under the same circumstances for the next week, or pull the diet trigger and drop more cals?
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Same diet, yet added cardio and up 1 pound. This to me spells out recomp and I would personally be pretty ecstatic. If this is in fact the case then there is simply no way you are gaining fat. Can you check and have you recently checked BF%? Also how are you looking in the mirror?? Another question is how much fat do you need/want to lose???
 
ryansm said:
Same diet, yet added cardio and up 1 pound. This to me spells out recomp and I would personally be pretty ecstatic. If this is in fact the case then there is simply no way you are gaining fat. Can you check and have you recently checked BF%? Also how are you looking in the mirror?? Another question is how much fat do you need/want to lose???
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I was thinking this is more of a recomp, which as stated, I am totally fine with. I will get my BF checked again monday, when I started I was around 11% +or-... I am going to keep pressing on with the same attack and see what happens! Thanks for your response and I hope my experience will help ease the firing squad aimed at PP right now!!!
 
jjbogner said:
I was thinking this is more of a recomp, which as stated, I am totally fine with. I will get my BF checked again monday, when I started I was around 11% +or-... I am going to keep pressing on with the same attack and see what happens! Thanks for your response and I hope my experience will help ease the firing squad aimed at PP right now!!!
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Stick with it, get your bf% checked and establish a baseline from here on out. Also check measurements and mirror.
 
Eric-

Since these need to be converted, is there an upper limit on how much of these enzymes your body makes which may exhibit diminishing returns on additionally added hormones? If so, where would you estimate this to be? I understand that this is difficult to estimate due to different people and different physiology, but maybe a rough estimate?


Regards
 
Jorsn said:
Exactly, If you're not satisfied then get your money back. I can't tell you how many crap supplements that i've tried and wish I could have got my money back. lol. I'll definitely follow your log, if you log. I'll be running AM in Sept.

Bottom line... PP wouldn't invest 300K in something that they think will work. No business would EVER do that.
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Ha, your right. Many businesses spend millions of dollars a year on projects they think will work. Only to realize they don't and go back to the drawing board. Talking about drug companies, the numbers for development and research into product that don't work would likely boggle your mind.
 
i focking love the idea of androhard at low bf- i meant masteron p gets expensive.....real expensive- quick


how does the hard relate to masteron as mast is dht
 
Would andromass be a good Ph for a first time user I'm looking for strength gains mainly size is good to I wanna run for four weeks and use your trs. Recovery stack for pct ......
or should I use androhard for a first time Ph newbie ...??
 
schwellington said:
i focking love the idea of androhard at low bf- i meant masteron p gets expensive.....real expensive- quick


how does the hard relate to masteron as mast is dht
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AndroHard will more more androgenic than Masteron, with a similar anabolic potency.

The normal dose of AndroHard is equivalent to the overall effect of 470mg/week masteron but it will behave as a more androgenic substance.

-Eric
 
Gym4Life said:
Would andromass be a good Ph for a first time user I'm looking for strength gains mainly size is good to I wanna run for four weeks and use your trs. Recovery stack for pct ......
or should I use androhard for a first time Ph newbie ...??
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I wouldnt say that being a newbie precludes you from using AndroMass. Its a much better choice than the methylated compounds being used these days.

You really shouldnt use anything unless you feel that you already have your diet and training dialed in and have already reached your natural potential.

_Eric
 
SINCE ERIC IS ONLINE:

Has there been a definite date for the first shipment mas. There has been talk of the first week of April. Does that mean April 1st or the end of the first full week.
If it is the first full week after shipping it might not be received until the second week of April.
 
TheKanezzi said:
Eric-

Since these need to be converted, is there an upper limit on how much of these enzymes your body makes which may exhibit diminishing returns on additionally added hormones? If so, where would you estimate this to be? I understand that this is difficult to estimate due to different people and different physiology, but maybe a rough estimate?


Regards
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Bump for Eric
 
soontobbeast said:
AND it comes in pill form!?!
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actually it does, (well, same as this, capsule form) it's called andriol.

but there are homeopathic pills that contain testosterone and are absorbed via under the tounge available otc. they contain a bunch of other bs also though, and would require a high dose too.
 
schwellington said:
i focking love the idea of androhard at low bf- i meant masteron p gets expensive.....real expensive- quick


how does the hard relate to masteron as mast is dht
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masteron is 2a methylated dht. oh, and the 2a methylation aids the steroid from 3hsd enzyme which quickly deactivates the steroid (dht) into an inactive metabolite. this works to increase it's anabolic properties. :wink1:
 
Primordial Perf said:
AndroHard will more more androgenic than Masteron, with a similar anabolic potency.

The normal dose of AndroHard is equivalent to the overall effect of 470mg/week masteron but it will behave as a more androgenic substance.

-Eric
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! thats insane INSANE if i where to run mast prop it would be at 100mg eod amount to 400 mgs.

okay eric im guna see if this lives up the the hype and buy it- either it will be an epic win

or an epic fail


and i will log it non sponsored no bs just pure reporting sir.
 
schwellington said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! thats insane INSANE if i where to run mast prop it would be at 100mg eod amount to 400 mgs.

okay eric im guna see if this lives up the the hype and buy it- either it will be an epic win

or an epic fail


and i will log it non sponsored no bs just pure reporting sir.
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hey schwell dont run it with 5 other compounds so we know how it actually works:240:
 
schwellington said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! thats insane INSANE if i where to run mast prop it would be at 100mg eod amount to 400 mgs.

okay eric im guna see if this lives up the the hype and buy it- either it will be an epic win

or an epic fail


and i will log it non sponsored no bs just pure reporting sir.
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do it do it.

i'm gonna log androlean in april.
 
schwellington said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! thats insane INSANE if i where to run mast prop it would be at 100mg eod amount to 400 mgs.

okay eric im guna see if this lives up the the hype and buy it- either it will be an epic win

or an epic fail


and i will log it non sponsored no bs just pure reporting sir.
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Looking forward to your feedback schwellinton.
 
I'm logging both AM/AH when I get the AM... I've already got the AH (I made 2 separate orders). I also got 20 lbs of weight gainer from American Pure Whey and 10lbs of their protein (I like buying in bulk :) , I also have money to blow). 6 weeks of both AM/AH at 2x2 a day , with nothing else but regular Jack3d , multivitamin, and all that protein/weight gainer. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and by the end of May I can go into summer looking right. If not count on me posting BS on all the forums (I will post before and after pics too)
 
owesome.

i want to try:

1-7 oxandrolone
1-4 andromass
4-7 androhard

and maybe add some test E or test prop........and some boldenone to hehehehe

=)
 
FelipeBR said:
owesome.

i want to try:

1-7 oxandrolone
1-4 andromass
4-7 androhard

and maybe add some test E or test prop........and some boldenone to hehehehe

=)
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please dont tell me your going to run boldenone for 7 weeks thats stupid it doesnt reach peak levels for like 4-6 weeks lol

and i would think test p would be a great addition to that cycle up there
 
schwellington said:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! thats insane INSANE if i where to run mast prop it would be at 100mg eod amount to 400 mgs.

okay eric im guna see if this lives up the the hype and buy it- either it will be an epic win

or an epic fail


and i will log it non sponsored no bs just pure reporting sir.
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Did you order yet? Are you still running AL??
 
twistid said:
I'm logging both AM/AH when I get the AM... I've already got the AH (I made 2 separate orders). I also got 20 lbs of weight gainer from American Pure Whey and 10lbs of their protein (I like buying in bulk :) , I also have money to blow). 6 weeks of both AM/AH at 2x2 a day , with nothing else but regular Jack3d , multivitamin, and all that protein/weight gainer. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and by the end of May I can go into summer looking right. If not count on me posting BS on all the forums (I will post before and after pics too)
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Why 2x2? The AM I suggest at least 4 caps daily...
 
jbryand101b said:
masteron is 2a methylated dht. oh, and the 2a methylation aids the steroid from 3hsd enzyme which quickly deactivates the steroid (dht) into an inactive metabolite. this works to increase it's anabolic properties. :wink1:
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eh maybe... but 2a methyl inhibits its binding to the AR... sort of a wash.

-Eric
 
curls said:
SINCE ERIC IS ONLINE:

Has there been a definite date for the first shipment mas. There has been talk of the first week of April. Does that mean April 1st or the end of the first full week.
If it is the first full week after shipping it might not be received until the second week of April.
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End of 1st week. We are having to ramp up our manufacturing processes and pay for expedited service on everything to even get it done by then. Our steroid manufacturer took way longer than expected.

Dont worry though we wont pass these extra costs to you.
 
TheKanezzi said:
Eric-

Since these need to be converted, is there an upper limit on how much of these enzymes your body makes which may exhibit diminishing returns on additionally added hormones? If so, where would you estimate this to be? I understand that this is difficult to estimate due to different people and different physiology, but maybe a rough estimate?


Regards
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2.5x over the standard dose will make DHEA concentrations high enough to start antagonizing the AR itself, so I wouldn't go over this dose... And it would be good to ramp up over several weeks assuming steroidogenic enzymes ramp up with increasing substrate concentrations. (which is what generally seems to happen)

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
2.5x over the standard dose will make DHEA concentrations high enough to start antagonizing the AR itself, so I wouldn't go over this dose... And it would be good to ramp up over several weeks assuming steroidogenic enzymes ramp up with increasing substrate concentrations. (which is what generally seems to happen)

-Eric
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Thanks Eric, you da man
 
twistid said:
I'm logging both AM/AH when I get the AM... I've already got the AH (I made 2 separate orders). I also got 20 lbs of weight gainer from American Pure Whey and 10lbs of their protein (I like buying in bulk :) , I also have money to blow). 6 weeks of both AM/AH at 2x2 a day , with nothing else but regular Jack3d , multivitamin, and all that protein/weight gainer. Hopefully it lives up to the hype and by the end of May I can go into summer looking right. If not count on me posting BS on all the forums (I will post before and after pics too)
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Good luck twist and post back with link to your log if you could.
 
you know, it sucks for people like me who dont have much money.

I really would like to get a couple of bottles of the andro mass, because I have a feeling it isn't going to be around for very long.

hopefully the prices will drop before that happens.
 
jbryand101b said:
you know, it sucks for people like me who dont have much money.

I really would like to get a couple of bottles of the andro mass, because I have a feeling it isn't going to be around for very long.

hopefully the prices will drop before that happens.
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Yeah, the price is ridiculous..
 
These products sound really interesting, and i do wanna try em but are so expensive :(
 
jbryand101b said:
you know, it sucks for people like me who dont have much money.

I really would like to get a couple of bottles of the andro mass, because I have a feeling it isn't going to be around for very long.

hopefully the prices will drop before that happens.
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PM sent :arms:
 
jbryand101b said:
you know, it sucks for people like me who dont have much money.

I really would like to get a couple of bottles of the andro mass, because I have a feeling it isn't going to be around for very long.

hopefully the prices will drop before that happens.
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princeshock said:
Yeah, the price is ridiculous..
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OafMister said:
These products sound really interesting, and i do wanna try em but are so expensive :(
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i agree :(

well more curious to see results from credible users before buying some. i just like the fact they're legal and if they do what they say itd be sweet. i been creeping on every log slowly and surely


PP...

you should gather the logs and make a thread with all the logs on ANDRO series? i think thatd be a good idea:grouphug:
 
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