Anavar for the first time

[BamBam0319]

You guys do realize that even pharma can be ****, right? I've seen on multiple occasions guys using pharma Adex, test, caber, etc and it come back as under dosed.

Even big pharma wants to make a pretty penny, who'da thunk.

 

[Industrial]

You guys do realize that even pharma can be ****, right? I've seen on multiple occasions guys using pharma Adex, test, caber, etc and it come back as under dosed.

can't trust no one no mo

 

[Distilled Water]

Even big pharma wants to make a pretty penny, who'da thunk.

Fukc India and Spain. Absolute garbage products. #merica

I've seen some good Mexican and China pharma surprisingly though. Lol

 

[Chados]

I'm just saying that you misunderstood him so your last post kinda falls apart since that's what you based it on. I'm not addressing anything else that's been said between y'all on this thread. Just pointing out something that you might have missed.

No i feel you, no shots intened from me.

 

[THOR 70]

Can someone pm me a tested/verified brand for quality Var?

 

[Distilled Water]

Can someone pm me a tested/verified source for quality Var?

Sourcing will get you banned. I'd edit that

 

[THOR 70]

Sourcing will get you banned. I'd edit that

My bad. I thought that posting sources was the no no

 

[THOR 70]

Sourcing will get you banned. I'd edit that

My bad. I thought that posting sources was the no no

 

[BamBam0319]

Fukc India and Spain. Absolute garbage products. #merica

I've seen some good Mexican and China pharma surprisingly though. Lol

I bought some proviron when I was down in Mexico one time. Good stuff.

 

[Spurfy]

True but also it's not then bunk like you kept saying. Balkan pharma isn't a UGL anyways....

This is utter nonsense. Who are the company principals? Where is the manufacturing plant? What third-party testing is done?

while UGL could be under dosed but like most things, these guys are trying to make a good buck, if you sell bad gear or noticeably under dosed stuff then word gets out and it hurts sales simple. Plus what if I buy my pharma stuff from a UGL? Is it still bunk because I didn't personally get a prescription for it?

Oh, okay. I get it now. How could I have been so stupid. The underground steroid lab community is self-policing. That explains why everyone's UGL Anavar is properly dosed and no one gets bunk product, ever.

 

[Spurfy]

Clearly there are very split opinion sir and you are clearly just scared of taking needles

Can you not read? I've posted numerous times including *in this thread* that I no longer use injectable T because the results from Torem + Var are way better than any cycle with any T-base I've ever run, including T + Var.

 

[Spurfy]

Can someone pm me a tested/verified brand for quality Var?

It's in this thread. Don't be lazy.

 

[THOR 70]

It's in this thread. Don't be lazy.

Not being lazy. Read the whole thread. Just hoping there was something better than "50% pure" like you recommended.

 

[Spurfy]

Not being lazy. Read the whole thread. Just hoping there was something better than "50% pure" like you recommended.

Try Walgreens.

 

[THOR 70]

Try Walgreens.

Was lame the first time you said it

 

[Spurfy]

Was lame the first time you said it

Okay. How about: Find a hobby that doesn't require you to purchase illegal drugs of dubious quality.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Spurfy , you were talking Torem + Anavar. Do you do a PCT afterwards -or just take Torem longer ?
If Torem works for Anavar, would it also work for other less suppressive anabolics like Ostarine -or maybe T-bol at 25mg ?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Try Walgreens.

Okay. How about: Find a hobby that doesn't require you to purchase illegal drugs of dubious quality.

There you have it, THOR 70 , that's for being a lazy junkie ! LMAO!

 

[Spurfy]

Spurfy , you were talking Torem + Anavar. Do you do a PCT afterwards -or just take Torem longer ?
If Torem works for Anavar, would it also work for other less suppressive anabolics like Ostarine -or maybe T-bol at 25mg ?

No PCT, stop both at the same time.

Torem prevents shutdown on any cycle.

 

[Juicedeez utz]

This is utter nonsense. Who are the company principals? Where is the manufacturing plant? What third-party testing is done?



Oh, okay. I get it now. How could I have been so stupid. The underground steroid lab community is self-policing. That explains why everyone's UGL Anavar is properly dosed and no one gets bunk product, ever.

I don't care haha it says Moldova on the pack but you're welcome to go on their site or research it yourself?
For someone who only buys pharma knows a lot about the underground scene. Some people are dumb and buy stuff not knowing what to expect, so yeah there is a lot of people trying to play their luck but also there are a lot just trying to get decent stuff to the community. People who know the difference know where to go and to warn others where not. Like distilled said, even some pharma is junk.

 

[macaque]

Somewhere i read that anavar is bad for hair loss and somewhere that it isn't, it is really hard to learn the real truth on the internet for someone who never taken anabolics like me. I am doing research for more than 10 years, and still there are lots of mixed data on web. Anyway i am almost 40 been training for about 18 years but i am starting to get tired and cant loose weight - fat, and my recovery time became really slow if i go all out for 60mins i cant recover for 3 days while working 2 shifts and than i usually overeat, training and weight regulation became really hard. Can you guys help i was thinking for cycling only anavar in small dosages 20-40 with I Fasting/omad, how to setup that cycle and what pct/liver protection i need to have just in case and what is good brands for anavar in your opinion. My goals are to have more endurance and better faster/recovery not mass/strength i want to reduce fat and even some mass in a process to help my back cope better. Thank You

 

[macaque]

Also, take 30 g of creatine in a single dose every day while on cycle. Take no more than 80 mg/day of this var which will be around the sweet spot of 40-50 mg actual drug. Use a SERM to maintain production, 12.5 mg/day clomid or 30 mg/day of torem --

if i take half of that, so 40 mg actual 20-25 of var per day should i still take 12.5 clomid or 30 mg/day torem or half of them too, thanks

 

[Chados]

if i take half of that, so 40 mg actual 20-25 of var per day should i still take 12.5 clomid or 30 mg/day torem or half of them to, thanks

12.5 Clomid? Aromasin you mean ?

 

[macaque]

why would i take aromasin if anavar does not convert to estrogen

 

[macaque]

why would i take aromasin if anavar does not convert to esterogen

 

[Chados]

I didn't say you should take It. But that's how you dose aromasin not Clomid.

 

[macaque]

I didn't say you should take It. But that's how you dose aromasin not Clomid.

ok thanks, i was quoting the other guy with his recommendation for anavar cycle with clomid, would aromasin make any big change when stacked with anavar only cycle

 

[Thebigc4]

Okay, kids. I'm going to do you a favor...

Alpha Pharma oxandrolone and Eminence Labs oxandrolone are both about 50% pure. Make sure you get from a reputable source and check the codes on their websites. These UGL brands are faked very frequently.

Take on an empty stomach with caffeine, once per day and always 90 minutes before lifting -- no caffeine if taking in the evening, you're an idiot if you use caffeine after 2:00 PM -- this sabotages gains.

This dosing regimen produces the mystical 0.25:600-1300 androgenic:anabolic ratio that blows away even Tren. Also, take 30 g of creatine in a single dose every day while on cycle. Take no more than 80 mg/day of this var which will be around the sweet spot of 40-50 mg actual drug. Use a SERM to maintain production, 12.5 mg/day clomid or 30 mg/day of torem -- do not use a test base and do not EVER use tamoxifen. For reasons that will be ***way*** over your heads and so I'm not going to explain unless Nac asks (even then I may not), maximizing gains on var require a functioning HPG-axis.

And no, these aren't my Var, but I can vouch for them.

Real var causes PROFOUND lethargy for the first few weeks 60-90 minutes after taking it. I mean PROFOUND LETHARGY -- like Benadryl + Xanax + weed lethargy. This has to do with how it blocks cortisol signaling and it is borderline debilitating. If you've taken "var" and have not experienced this, 99% chance it was not oxandrolone.

So in this hypothetical you would dose like this:
5:30am:
40-80mg var (aiming for 40-50mg actual var, so dose depends on source)
200mg caffeine? 300mg caffeine? Any suggestion on optimal amount?

7:00am:
Hit the gym

30mg torem once per day? Does it matter when?

6 week cycle, no PCT required?

 

[THOR 70]

So in this hypothetical you would dose like this:
5:30am:
40-80mg var (aiming for 40-50mg actual var, so dose depends on source)
200mg caffeine? 300mg caffeine? Any suggestion on optimal amount?

7:00am:
Hit the gym

30mg torem once per day? Does it matter when?

6 week cycle, no PCT required?

Plus 30g creatine a day according to the inventor of anavar, spurfy

 

[Thebigc4]

Plus 30g creatine according to the inventor of anavar spurfy

Good catch! Sarcasm aside, it is only 6 weeks. Very little time required to experiment/log and see whats what. Could be fun.

 

[justhere4comm]

Plus 30g creatine a day according to the inventor of anavar, spurfy

At first I thought, WTF! 30g... 30 Jigguhwatts!!! are you insane? And then, I finished the sentence... lol.

 

[macaque]

Chados i cant post pm replay to you before i have 50 posts, i am new at this and thank you for pm it is really helpful.

 

[THOR 70]

Good catch! Sarcasm aside, it is only 6 weeks. Very little time required to experiment/log and see whats what. Could be fun.

I always feel diminishing returns after 6-8 weeks on test. So I'm attracted to the idea of short cycles with possibly less shut down, quicker recovery, quality gains/no estrogen water, and the ability to run more of these bursts a year.3-4 a year could be run if my math is right. Next step is finding and catching the mythical/elusive unicorn that is anavar. Oh and being prepared to pay $1200 a year for it

 

[Thebigc4]

I always feel diminishing returns after 6-8 weeks on test. So I'm attracted to the idea of short cycles with possibly less shut down, quicker recovery, quality gains/no estrogen water, and the ability to run more of these bursts a year.3-4 a year could be run if my math is right. Next step is finding and catching the mythical/elusive unicorn that is anavar. Oh and being prepared to pay $1200 a year for it

Still cheaper than 12 months of natty "cycles" and a helluvalot more effective if works as advertised lol. Poor toilet after 30g creatine in one dose though...

 

[THOR 70]

Still cheaper than 12 months of natty "cycles" and a helluvalot more effective if works as advertised lol. Poor toilet after 30g creatine in one dose though...

Hah yup. I can't believe the amount of money people spend on running 3-4 "Natty" products at a time.

If I do this protocol I will prob just shoot for 5g with meals. Get up to 20-25g. Hopefully cells will soak it all up with help from the var

 

[THOR 70]

Don't get me wrong, I run a lot of supplements. However, 90% of them are vitamins/minerals that are common deficiencies. And they only cost $15 for a 2-3 month supply.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Plus 30g creatine a day according to the inventor of anavar, spurfy

I encapsulated it for more convenience.

 

[hairygrandpa]

To be honest, I'm trying Spurfy 's recommendations, like taking the anavar without food, with caffeine and a lot of creatine.
So far, too much creatine gave me diarrhea at first, later cramps -bad cramps. Making a wrong movement has me twisting on the floor.
I upped water and taurine, it helps a bit.

 

[THOR 70]

To be honest, I'm trying Spurfy 's recommendations, like taking the anavar without food, with caffeine and a lot of creatine.
So far, too much creatine gave me diarrhea at first, later cramps -bad cramps. Making a wrong movement has me twisting on the floor.
I upped water and taurine, it helps a bit.

Maybe up your sodium/potassium too? Or just quit being a sally and enjoy the mystical GAINZ

 

[hairygrandpa]

Maybe up your sodium/potassium too? Or just quit being a sally and enjoy the mystical GAINZ

Maybe cramps = gains ? Its definitely a stimulus.

 

[THOR 70]

Maybe cramps = gains ? Its definitely a stimulus.

Yup! Or dehydration from sh1ting your guts out hehe

 

[Spurfy]

if i take half of that, so 40 mg actual 20-25 of var per day should i still take 12.5 clomid or 30 mg/day torem or half of them too, thanks

Half dose SERM. Var isn't very suppressive until dosages get high, and recovery is very quick because there's no E2-mediated suppression with var, which takes a *lot* longer to recover from than androgen-induced suppression.

And don't take an AI.

 

[Spurfy]

So in this hypothetical you would dose like this:
5:30am:
40-80mg var (aiming for 40-50mg actual var, so dose depends on source)
200mg caffeine? 300mg caffeine? Any suggestion on optimal amount?

7:00am:
Hit the gym

30mg torem once per day? Does it matter when?

6 week cycle, no PCT required?

300 mg caffeine.

6 week cycle, no PCT needed.

Dose torem any time of day -- it has a 5 day half-life.

First day don't take caffeine. If the var doesn't make you extremely lethargic within an hour it's probably completely bunk.

 

[Juicedeez utz]

Maybe cramps = gains ? Its definitely a stimulus.

You are crazy! I would never entertain 30g creatine.... just lol! I'm still trying to workout the relationship between caffeine and the position of the sun. Anavar is one crazy dragggg

 

[btur2915]

To be honest, I'm trying Spurfy 's recommendations, like taking the anavar without food, with caffeine and a lot of creatine.
So far, too much creatine gave me diarrhea at first, later cramps -bad cramps. Making a wrong movement has me twisting on the floor.
I upped water and taurine, it helps a bit.

dont forget abotu the heartburn. i dont use creatine but sounds interesting. not sure i buy it but theory looks good.

 

[Industrial]

I encapsulated it for more convenience.

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LMAO

 

[BamBam0319]

I've used up to 20g creatine, not with anavar, but it's doable and worth it IMO.

 

[Juicedeez utz]

I've used up to 20g creatine, not with anavar, but it's doable and worth it IMO.

Most I'd go is 15g, even then i start to bloat like a mofo!

 

[BamBam0319]

Most I'd go is 15g, even then i start to bloat like a mofo!

Creatine bloats you? Can't relate

 

[Juicedeez utz]

Only at high doses but since they debunked the whole loading thing I've only done 5g a day with no issue!