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ALRI's new phermone...

Yea, I have been puttin everything together and breakin it down and putting back together. This is my conclusion. The product is only 10mg, so it has to be strong right. The ALR product is an elephant pheromone delta2-androstenol...As Sledge alluded to it would have to be methylated to be worth anything, thus methylating this compound would make 17alpha-methyl-delta2-androstenol a.k.a DMT(desoxy methyl test) the new designer drug that has been in the news recently. Anyone agree with this?

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I don't mean to put it out there, Im just speculating ya feel me.
 
ALR noted in my email with him that it is NOT a designer steroid. ALRIndustries is being "low key" about the product for specific reasons.
 
size said:
ALR noted in my email with him that it is NOT a designer steroid. ALRIndustries is being "low key" about the product for specific reasons.
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A reason more to labtest a cap :)
 
Various governing bodies in sports especially those that deal with "fair play" issues are going to categorize it as a "designer steroid". The IOC will/has and several other bodies will follow. I would not want to be the supp company trying to defend it's product classification especially since the FDA will likely side with the IOC. We all know the position of the Bush administration and the new laws in effect and how an example could be made with ALRI.

Size seems to indicate that it is not DMT, but I'd be wary releasing any "anabolic pheromone" product given the functional and structural similarities between phermones and steroids.

I'm relatively sure that certain people inside this supp industry already know what the product is but are hesitant to release the info. As consumers we want to know what a product contains to gauge its effectiveness, toxicity, sides, etc. But in doing this it also supposedly makes it easier for the FDA or other body to ban this substance. I don't know if this logic is sound, as any body could easily have a product tested to see what it contains.
 
It's going to come down in you trusting the vendor. To keep it low key this is really the only way to keep a substance out as long as it can. The ONLY person I trust this to is Matt, at DS.
 
I don't think ANYTHING Sledge makes will be low-key anymore after Superdrol. ****, I've talked to some guys on a UM forum that also lift who knew about SD.
 
Twin Peak said:
Matt's will be low key.

Body spray anyone?
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It really doesn't matter how low key he tries to make it or how clever his marketing is. The hype we as consumers generate about the product will draw the unwanted attention. Using proprietary blends to keep ingredients won't work either as it shouldn't be too difficult for a lab to figure out what chemicals are present in a product.
 
ersatz said:
It really doesn't matter how low key he tries to make it or how clever his marketing is. The hype we as consumers generate about the product will draw the unwanted attention. Using proprietary blends to keep ingredients won't work either as it shouldn't be too difficult for a lab to figure out what chemicals are present in a product.
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To the smart compounder, there are ways to mask actives, but that's not always possible or practical. The bottom line is that as consumers, we must be prudent in our dealings and always remember to take care and protect those companies that provide for us. That means that sometimes, if things get hot, it's best for us to just be silent or at least not boastful, and go underground with our infomation exchange. Also, it is sometimes nesseccary to read between the lines, and make use of the PM system to answer questions that may be misunderstood or misinterpreted if presented publically. Just like you pointed out to me earlier that I should not get involved with the ALR product testing, so we should always remind one another when we are getting to close to the edge of danger or contraversy that might endanger the future of new, designer chems.
 
Good point Dr. D, but the PM system is not accessible to everyone. I do understand what your getting at though.
 
gizzle said:
...the PM system is not accessible to everyone...
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I know, that's too bad because I wanted to tell you something too. Donate 10 bucks and you get it back. They take CC now, so you don't have to open a PP account.
 
DR.D said:
To the smart compounder, there are ways to mask actives, but that's not always possible or practical. The bottom line is that as consumers, we must be prudent in our dealings and always remember to take care and protect those companies that provide for us. That means that sometimes, if things get hot, it's best for us to just be silent or at least not boastful, and go underground with our infomation exchange. Also, it is sometimes nesseccary to read between the lines, and make use of the PM system to answer questions that may be misunderstood or misinterpreted if presented publically. Just like you pointed out to me earlier that I should not get involved with the ALR product testing, so we should always remind one another when we are getting to close to the edge of danger or contraversy that might endanger the future of new, designer chems.
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Excellent points. I think if we should lay low. We don't need to draw attention to ALRI, Matt or whoever.

knuckles
 
knuckles said:
Excellent points. I think if we should lay low. We don't need to draw attention to ALRI, Matt or whoever.

knuckles
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While this is easy enough (and should be common sense) for the majority of us here on AM, with the release of superdrol Sledge has alot more followers now who probably don't even know about this board. When word really gets around how good SD is, his company is really going to be known well.
 
DR.D said:
...... Donate 10 bucks and you get it back. They take CC now, so you don't have to open a PP account.
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I didn't know that if you donated to the site that it would open up the PM stuff. I donated a little while ago and it still isn't available when I register. I just thought that the webmaster and mods didn't want to open it up.

How would I go about checking to see what might be causing this?

Sorry to go off topic, but I am following and am interested in the info on the thread.

Thanks
RMT
 
RMT said:
I didn't know that if you donated to the site that it would open up the PM stuff. I donated a little while ago and it still isn't available when I register. I just thought that the webmaster and mods didn't want to open it up.

How would I go about checking to see what might be causing this?
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I'll get on it and see what I can do.
 
Also LO I would like to make a donation but when I click on the link in the upper right it just brings me to a paypal page and I would like to use credit card. Can you point me in the right direction.


Mr.50


Lean One said:
I'll get on it and see what I can do.
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Mr.50 said:
Also LO I would like to make a donation but when I click on the link in the upper right it just brings me to a paypal page and I would like to use credit card. Can you point me in the right direction.


Mr.50
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Lean One, where you at man! He's probably fixing it right now. All I know, is that when I contributed, it was kind of vauge. I got the PPal page too and wasn't quite sure if I was going to be about to use my CCard or not, but it was OK. At the very end of the transaction, it asks if you would like to establish a PPal account for next time, just say no if you don't want to. But it isn't clear until then.
 
LO I just contributed also but my PM's are not working yet. Let me know how to get this fixed when you get the chance. Thanks.


Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
LO I just contributed also but my PM's are not working yet. Let me know how to get this fixed when you get the chance. Thanks.


Mr.50
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Looks like it's fixed to me.. Just for future refrence, After a donation, e-mail an admin to let them know. They can't switch you if they don't know you donated.
 
I have talked to Brian from allsportsnutrition and he just started selling it he states that it is in fact DMT.
 
Really hate the way they are promoting it....a lot of unwanted attention will be made!
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Now, how does this site's promotion help the situation? It sucks that
this product will be banned just the same. In the same instance,
the site is trying to steer its sales.
 
yeah, that's just irresponsible. ALRI should have something to say to that. Hell, we're trying to protect our freedom to supplement, and the providers of these should be at least willng (and hopefully wanting) to keep red flags from going up. That kind of thing is really asking for trouble.
 
This obviously conveys a loss of buddy-support for the industry.
Would it make them that worse off to just list the item like other
supplement companies have? No, instead, they're using tactics that will
draw all sorts of unwanted attention.
 
Hey Bryan...how did you find out Gaspari licensed it. I bet he and KiloSport will sell it for about 80-90 a bottle. That dude is really over pricing people.
 
Yeah, I read in an interview with Author L. Rea that they've licensed out to three other companies. Perhaps, Gaspari then is one of those? Still, their product will cost around 80.00 or so, for sure.
 
Sledge

Nevermind I read the entire thread again.

Sledge, you mentioned that you would talk with your chem house. Do you plan on releasing this? It is obviously what you thought it was.
 
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Hey Bryan...how did you find out Gaspari licensed it. I bet he and KiloSport will sell it for about 80-90 a bottle. That dude is really over pricing people.
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Admin over at steriod.com forums
 
Stuntdawg said:
This obviously conveys a loss of buddy-support for the industry..........they're using tactics that will draw all sorts of unwanted attention.
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I am often amazed by this. It should make you wonder if someone is purposely working against the industry.
 
MaNiaK1027 said:
Really hate the way they are promoting it....a lot of unwanted attention will be made!
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This is rediculous! They are now s`ying it is a steroid at allsport but a page earlier on this post Size said he received an email from them stating it is not a designer steroid. I don't understand the logic of saying both. LOL I love how discreet allsport is about selling it.
 
yeah, my comment in the other related thread was basically this: I'm astonished that we don't (collectively; and I'm simply a consumer, not in the business) make a more conscientious effort to band together to KEEP our freedoms intact. This would include NOT hyping things foolishly, and therefore risking unwanted attention. How some appear to throw the whole industry under the bus in order to cash in quickly is a really revealing fact about motives and core beliefs. I mean, allsportsnutrition.com is all but calling out the Feds to ban this stuff tomorrow. Am I wrong about this?
 
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