sammpedd88
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Yeah but some Krispy Kreme original glazed doughnuts when the Hot Now sign is on is so worth the miserableness!
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Do any of you guys have good fish recipes I know you gave me a couple seasonings suggestions I would imagine some cajun spice would help me hide the fish taste. Lemon definitely helps.
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I used to take a dozen of those Krispy Kreme donuts bring them home zap them in the microwave for 30 seconds and they just like....... dissolve as you put them in your mouth lol. You barely need to chew
sammpedd88
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Do you eat salmon? If so, use Chef Prudhomme‘s Salmon Seasoning. You should be able to find it at any grocery store. It’s really good on grilled salmon fillets.
sammpedd88
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Man that’s the **** right there! And you can eat a dozen by yourself before you know it.I used to take a dozen of those Krispy Kreme donuts bring them home zap them in the microwave for 30 seconds and they just like....... dissolve as you put them in your mouth lol. You barely need to chew
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I can blink a dozen of those away lol
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So now my pharmacology gears are turning and my ADHD is struggling to stay on topic lol.
Gear talk.
Injectable carnitine, carderine and SLU PP 332 while on the sugar diet for maximum fat loss. This will be a part 2 once I gather the supplies.
Without getting into it right now too much because I'm just going off top my head right now, Theoretically, Slu, carn and carderine should all work synergistically through fatty acid oxidation and fat oxidation as well as other ways but I'm thinking that this triple whammy of fat oxidation anytime where you're not eating any fat and in a caloric deficit is going to make your body torch your body fat kinda like how dnp does. And for some reason eating low protein, low fat and lots of fruit on dnp was Boston loyds recipe for torching fat.
SLU and carnitine also both help with ATP production so adding creatine to the mix would probably help a bit more then usual.
@Hyde what's the odds you remember the beast fitness radio episode where he talks about eating while on dnp.
I was playing around with a AI search engine and came up with this
Gear talk.
Injectable carnitine, carderine and SLU PP 332 while on the sugar diet for maximum fat loss. This will be a part 2 once I gather the supplies.
Without getting into it right now too much because I'm just going off top my head right now, Theoretically, Slu, carn and carderine should all work synergistically through fatty acid oxidation and fat oxidation as well as other ways but I'm thinking that this triple whammy of fat oxidation anytime where you're not eating any fat and in a caloric deficit is going to make your body torch your body fat kinda like how dnp does. And for some reason eating low protein, low fat and lots of fruit on dnp was Boston loyds recipe for torching fat.
SLU and carnitine also both help with ATP production so adding creatine to the mix would probably help a bit more then usual.
@Hyde what's the odds you remember the beast fitness radio episode where he talks about eating while on dnp.
I was playing around with a AI search engine and came up with this
1HP
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You may only need to block the smell. How to do that comfortably while eating though..
LeanEngineer
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Easy work! I did a cheap day last year where my brother and I each ate a dozen donuts. It's actually not hard at all when they're fresh.
Smont
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Rained out of work today so let's get this sugar party started!
Started the day with a coffee, almond milk
and sugar.
Taking this to the gym with me right now, and before anyone asks, yes, they are unicorn-i-licious!
It's 400 calories and 92gm carbs. 56 of those carbs are listed as sugar and the remainder are from glucose syrup and dextrose.
Which doesn't really make sense to me since glucose syrup is the number one ingredient but I'm going to run with it. Going to freestyle it at the gym. Might do some boxing, might lift weights, not really sure yet.
Today is not a planned training day.
These little haribo packs are all 300-400 cal and 75-100 carbs and they are $1 each so I stocked up last night
Started the day with a coffee, almond milk
and sugar.Taking this to the gym with me right now, and before anyone asks, yes, they are unicorn-i-licious!
It's 400 calories and 92gm carbs. 56 of those carbs are listed as sugar and the remainder are from glucose syrup and dextrose.
Which doesn't really make sense to me since glucose syrup is the number one ingredient but I'm going to run with it. Going to freestyle it at the gym. Might do some boxing, might lift weights, not really sure yet.
Today is not a planned training day.
These little haribo packs are all 300-400 cal and 75-100 carbs and they are $1 each so I stocked up last night
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Yeah those 3 will aid fatloss in a deficit regardless of fuel selection; if you create a deficit you’re going to get better fat mobilization from l-carn, the PPAR activity of GW, and similar increased metabolic consumption from SLUPP. That stack will always yield better energy/fueling, brain/nootropic function, and increased cellular energy demand & metabolic health.
Their benefit isn’t really specific to diet, only that you do diet to achieve a deficit for them to shine.
DNP just causes slipping/ATP wasting, so you cannot possibly fill out. Being flat, dehydrated, and hot all the time, fruit is going to feel better than anything, even if it doesn’t actually fix the problems DNP introduces (because that’s the point of taking DNP in a cutting scenario, to waste energy).
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Well yes, but the fuel source being all carbs does change some things, and it could change them significantly. Your total weight loss will always be the same because of total calories. But having no fat in your diet while using those 3 things should work better through more fat oxidation and fgf21 which can only be in the equation with the sugar diet type thing.
apparently fgf21 also will put you into ketosis. Yes, eating sugar all day you will still go into ketosis according to the research I'm reading. But it's not as simple as fgf putting you into ketosis. It's more like a metabolic stress response.
I don't think I'm going to be able to fully figure out the details though until I understand this stuff better. Because when your producing this sugar induced fgf21 it changed how many things seem to work. It's kinda confusing to be honest. But it's completely carb/sugar driven.
Here's some quick tidbits I clipped from Google. I'm obviously not a rocket scientist and I'm still in my infancy of understanding this stuff and I don't know if I'll ever understand it but since I just learned about it a couple of days ago I guess I got a lot of work to do lol.
I'm not pulling all my info from AI Google searching. I'm reading a lot of different stuff from pub med and a few medical journals. But this AI overview on fgf21 and how it works seems accurate to the other stuff I'm reading.
I also want to make note that I'm not saying anything as facts. Im not saying I learned some magic recipes yesterday. I just found a new topic that I'm interested in and it's one that seems like it's going to be very misunderstood by all of us because a lot of these things we've never even heard of or knew that they could do. I think theres going to be a few very handy supplements that can be utilized specific to this diet to get more efficient fat loss in a short period of time.
I got SLU on the way, carnitine and carderine already here. I can definitely do a very calorie controlled experiment here we're the only change is carbs or sugar as a fuel source for the majority of the day and sometimes all day.
Although a sample pool of 1 person doesn't give us much to work with.
If anybody else wants to run a little experiment eating this way and then adding SLU, carnitine or gw, or all 3! It would help. I have a extra bottle of injectable carnitine il donate to anyone who wants to give it a crack.
So far on day 1. I don't really have anything to make note of other than the fact that I'm hungry but I don't want to eat another piece of candy or fruit right now I'd rather have a chicken breast or a steak lol
apparently fgf21 also will put you into ketosis. Yes, eating sugar all day you will still go into ketosis according to the research I'm reading. But it's not as simple as fgf putting you into ketosis. It's more like a metabolic stress response.
I don't think I'm going to be able to fully figure out the details though until I understand this stuff better. Because when your producing this sugar induced fgf21 it changed how many things seem to work. It's kinda confusing to be honest. But it's completely carb/sugar driven.
Here's some quick tidbits I clipped from Google. I'm obviously not a rocket scientist and I'm still in my infancy of understanding this stuff and I don't know if I'll ever understand it but since I just learned about it a couple of days ago I guess I got a lot of work to do lol.
I'm not pulling all my info from AI Google searching. I'm reading a lot of different stuff from pub med and a few medical journals. But this AI overview on fgf21 and how it works seems accurate to the other stuff I'm reading.
I also want to make note that I'm not saying anything as facts. Im not saying I learned some magic recipes yesterday. I just found a new topic that I'm interested in and it's one that seems like it's going to be very misunderstood by all of us because a lot of these things we've never even heard of or knew that they could do. I think theres going to be a few very handy supplements that can be utilized specific to this diet to get more efficient fat loss in a short period of time.
I got SLU on the way, carnitine and carderine already here. I can definitely do a very calorie controlled experiment here we're the only change is carbs or sugar as a fuel source for the majority of the day and sometimes all day.
Although a sample pool of 1 person doesn't give us much to work with.
If anybody else wants to run a little experiment eating this way and then adding SLU, carnitine or gw, or all 3! It would help. I have a extra bottle of injectable carnitine il donate to anyone who wants to give it a crack.
So far on day 1. I don't really have anything to make note of other than the fact that I'm hungry but I don't want to eat another piece of candy or fruit right now I'd rather have a chicken breast or a steak lol
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Smont
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FGF21 hormone associated with sugar intake in humans https://share.google/vsaspp230t8FTfSOk
And here's some stuff I pulled up with a AI search engine
And here's some stuff I pulled up with a AI search engine
Smont
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Just trying to understand fgf21. If I'm driving anyone crazy tell me to shut up lol.
Otherwise if any of this is interesting I'll keep searching
Prolonged fasting can also increase fgf21 levels so if you'd rather not eat a bunch of fruit, candy, and sugar while avoiding protein. You can fast for 48hours or more
Otherwise if any of this is interesting I'll keep searching
Prolonged fasting can also increase fgf21 levels so if you'd rather not eat a bunch of fruit, candy, and sugar while avoiding protein. You can fast for 48hours or more
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Well, it's 630pm and I'm absolutely starving, I have some chicken breast on the grill. I'm going to do some grilled chicken and veggie wraps because I absolutely mentally I'm not ready to have another candy or fruit meal for dinner because I know it's not going to satisfy any cravings at all lol.
Day one is not a total failure but I'm going to have to work my way into this
Day one is not a total failure but I'm going to have to work my way into this
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Something I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around is this stuff, it goes against everything I know about how insulin works. Can anyone make sense of how this can be possible while eating a bunch of fructose and sugar?
This is a little bit, a lot of bit outside my pay grade lol. At the same time, I feel like a Dr. Also wouldn't understand how to make sense of this either
This is a little bit, a lot of bit outside my pay grade lol. At the same time, I feel like a Dr. Also wouldn't understand how to make sense of this either
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Meal sugar-protein balance determines postprandial FGF21 response in humans - PubMed https://share.google/R8KXXBO5pvdknyOe3
Some more reading materials for later
Some more reading materials for later
Segansational
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Lol, so since you mentioned Haribo - did you see this recall recently? No wonder they call it "Happy" Cola! 
www.cannabissciencetech.com
Cannabis Found in Candy Products, Haribo Initiates Recall
Haribo is recalling Happy Cola F!ZZ gummy candies after some batches tested positive for cannabis.
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Hey, I do love Haribo gummies.
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1HP
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Following and interested, for the record
I’m considering trying the — fruits/sugars during the day, 1 protein/complex carbs meal at night —variation for a few days.
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The more I look into it, and I still don't completely understand what components to the diet are most important or necessary outside of high sugar/low protein, (there's not a ton of information about fats role in this, only that we don't see much fat in any version of the diet), but the more I read, the more I realize that the diet doesn't need to be too extreme.Following and interested, for the record
I’m considering trying the — fruits/sugars during the day, 1 protein/complex carbs meal at night —variation for a few days.
I didn't post everything I ate yesterday, but, My total calories yesterday were just about 3000 which for me is a caloric deficit of -500 give or take a few. I do feel like I didn't drink enough fluids and I'm a bit dehydrated, but I lost 5.2 lbs from yesterday morning to this morning. Seeing how it's only a 500 calories deficit I'm leaning towards dehydration/fluids being the majority of the 5lbs.
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Edit: On another forum where some, let’s say heavily geared up people, appear to have some success with this approach, its claimed only the absence of amino acids/protein is “critical”.
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Is the FGF21 supplemented, or are you just looking at how it is created and acts in the body because this is the hormone that the diet ends up signaling for? I wouldn't be opposed to giving this a quick shot if I understood it more. As you all know, I love doing little things like this. It is how I came across Fasting, and PSMF. I remember getting lambasted by some here for even thinking about doing IF as a person who lifts. Now it is widely accepted by many people as a viable option. I am definitely happy I did the experiment, I learned so much, and have been able to apply it to many things, even when not fasting. Trying things teaches you, that is just the way we move forward.
Well to be honest, it can't be super low fat in the body, all of these things release fat from the cell into the blood. The body doesn't know how the fat got there, it just knows that it has plenty of fat in the bloodstream. So it would be present in the blood whether eating much fat or not.On another forum where some, let’s say heavily geared up people, appear to have some success with this approach, its claimed low fat is “important”. But like you say, it’s not really hard science is it
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You’re right, reread it just now, low fat was only mentioned to get in more “sugar” per calorie intake, I edited my post. No protein/amino acid intake is what’s said to being critical to elevate/trigger FGF21 release.
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And that’s the part that sounds like a really bad time, just simple carbs all the time.
Rich Piana did this right before he died (totally unrelated to his death, just referencing the timeline). He ate only rice all day with some hot sauce or salsa, then one protein meal at night. But he passed away before he ever got to update on it, nor did he share why he was doing it.
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He said he crushed a tub of ice cream almost daily too though IIRC in the Rich Piana Chronicles, I thought that was a nightly ritual for him but I could be remembering wrong
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I just watched this video on the Sugar Diet, and it looks to have some good information in it. However, this guy seems to think it is the low protein specifically that does the trick, and not the sugar. Basically any combination that limits protein quite a bit. The studies are based off of 9% of calories for protein intake, and basically 90% for the sugar, and or 9% protein, 41% sugar, and 50% fat had the same response regarding metabolic increases. He also goes over who should, and shouldn't run it. Basically anyone with a metabolic issue should get it under control first, and obese people are already in a non-responsive state, so this should most likely not be used to lose weight until 15% and below maybe as high as 20% Anything over that I would not bother based on the information provided. At least by this Dr.
I have not found anything that states the affects of this like possibly getting fatty liver or something from all of the fructose. @Smont have you found any information regarding metabolic health of people who have run this for a little bit? This Dr's concern was fatty liver if you did this for a prolonged period, which I think is a valid concern.
I wonder about that rice diet, according to this, and Smelly's video starch can slow the process down a bit. Either way, I do love that scientists are finding it lucrative enough to really start looking at this type of thing, and doing studies on them.
Yeah, it doesn't sound fun at all. After reading what I have so far, and watching this, I would probably rather go keto with 9% protein if trying to stimulate the FGF-21. At least that way blood sugar would be stable and cravings drop. Plus inflammation goes down which normally goes up from sugar. Not sure I want to do anything that might increase my inflammation right now with all of the trouble i am having with injuries.
I have not found anything that states the affects of this like possibly getting fatty liver or something from all of the fructose. @Smont have you found any information regarding metabolic health of people who have run this for a little bit? This Dr's concern was fatty liver if you did this for a prolonged period, which I think is a valid concern.
I wonder about that rice diet, according to this, and Smelly's video starch can slow the process down a bit. Either way, I do love that scientists are finding it lucrative enough to really start looking at this type of thing, and doing studies on them.
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sammpedd88
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Man strawberry and maple brown sugar are the shittI crush a box of strawberry Pop-Tarts daily most of the year
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I would have to go back and rip through a hundred articles to figure out which ones had the information because I've been tearing through them ADHD style a different article every 20 minutes lol.
But I've came across several things that said the higher the sugar to protein ratio. More sugar/less protein the more fgf is produced. I just recently came across another one that said high fat can also trigger fgf21 release in the absence of protein and what Im gathering from all this is that significantly more calories from fat are needed then sugar.
I'm not positive, but if I'm understanding these things correctly or what I should say is if I'm putting all this together correctly, the high sugar is the fastest, lowest calorie way to do it.
There's also a ton of stuff showing that fgf21 will actually fix your blood sugar and reverse diabetes even in the presence of high sugar which doesn't make any sense to me. But there's tons of medical information on that one, it's not hard to find.
Smont
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Yes I have some showing that it fixes health markers
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Frontiers | FGF21 as Modulator of Metabolism in Health and Disease https://share.google/5DqdSKUB8DCamI4CQ
Smont
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Are we talking specifically about improving health markers with high sugar intake or specific to fgf21 improving health markers.
Because there are ones about both, I posted one yesterday that talks about improving all the health markers despite the high sugar. Even in the article it talks about people correcting their diabetes by eating all fruit.
There was also something I read about a fruit and rice diet to increase fgf21 and this one was about fixing diabetes. On a diet of fruit and rice people are lowering their blood sugar according to that one. It also noted how the improvements made the Rhodents AND people stop craving.
Because there are ones about both, I posted one yesterday that talks about improving all the health markers despite the high sugar. Even in the article it talks about people correcting their diabetes by eating all fruit.
There was also something I read about a fruit and rice diet to increase fgf21 and this one was about fixing diabetes. On a diet of fruit and rice people are lowering their blood sugar according to that one. It also noted how the improvements made the Rhodents AND people stop craving.
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Now all of this does point to the fact fgf21 is what is improving the health markers. But it looks like no matter which way you up regulate fgf-21 it fixes all these health markers in the majority of people. From what I'm gathering, Simple carbs just seem to be the fastest way to get there while keeping calories low.
You could do actual fasting and still get there but it takes a prolonged fast, you can go keto but it takes more total calories, I'd also have a really hard time eating 2000 calories from fat, id imagine Id feel really sick eating 225gm of fat per day. 2000 calories from carbs is easy tho. I drank over 1000 calories from Gatorade and orange juice and a ginger ale today lol.
Add in 2 bananas and 2 bags of gummy bears and I'm at 2000. So all day today all I had was two bananas and two bags of gummy bears and a bunch of liquid. 2000 calories from race and pasta would have been really hard though also, so that's why I think the simple sugars are sensationalized.
You could do actual fasting and still get there but it takes a prolonged fast, you can go keto but it takes more total calories, I'd also have a really hard time eating 2000 calories from fat, id imagine Id feel really sick eating 225gm of fat per day. 2000 calories from carbs is easy tho. I drank over 1000 calories from Gatorade and orange juice and a ginger ale today lol.
Add in 2 bananas and 2 bags of gummy bears and I'm at 2000. So all day today all I had was two bananas and two bags of gummy bears and a bunch of liquid. 2000 calories from race and pasta would have been really hard though also, so that's why I think the simple sugars are sensationalized.
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On that note, my energy was sky high till about 330pm, but I wouldn't call it a sugar crash, I power washed a house up and down ladders for 4 hours and then painted three sheds and a bulkhead door. I was soaking wet all morning between the sweat and the water and then I changed into dry clothes to go paint the sheds and sweat through two shirts also, so I'm pretty sure work is what made me crash lol.
Hustled home and drank This
Not sure why it looks like I took the picture with a 2005 flip phone. This put my protein to 40gm for the day. Hit the gym and I didn't have the energy to do any lifting and my feet were really sore so I also used that as an excuse not to deadlift today but I got 30min on the heavy bag and that's about it. I've yet to eat my last meal because now I'm starving and I'm supposed to eat lean meat and vegetables or some rice but there's 2 dominos pizzas in the fridge that my kids didn't finish 
. I've got 1000 calories left and I was planning on staying under 100gm of protein for the day so is 3 slices of pizza acceptable .
@MrKleen73 DM coming your way
Hustled home and drank This
Not sure why it looks like I took the picture with a 2005 flip phone. This put my protein to 40gm for the day. Hit the gym and I didn't have the energy to do any lifting and my feet were really sore so I also used that as an excuse not to deadlift today
but I got 30min on the heavy bag and that's about it. I've yet to eat my last meal because now I'm starving and I'm supposed to eat lean meat and vegetables or some rice but there's 2 dominos pizzas in the fridge that my kids didn't finish . I've got 1000 calories left and I was planning on staying under 100gm of protein for the day so is 3 slices of pizza acceptable . @MrKleen73 DM coming your way
sammpedd88
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Think about people in Southeast Asia. They eat very little protein and a ton rice, veggies and fruit and they’re very slim. Most of these countries also don’t have the chronic health issues the US has either. I know this isn’t a “sugar” diet but their staple is more rice than anything.
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Yup a pint of Ben and Jerrys every night is what he said. Man I miss the Rich Piana youtube days! Bigger by the day series was awesome! Good Fu*$ing Morning everybody!
1HP
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So how could we actually benefit, for fun hypothesis, how off do you reckon this is:
1) the ingestion of 100 g protein results in a greater and more prolonged (>12 h) anabolic response when compared to the ingestion of 25 g protein.
2) during this ~12 hour period, would it be a correct assumption the FGF21 increase from the absence of protein is not there.
3) Meaning an evening consumption of said 100gr protein leaves ~12 hours a day of sugar fast induced FGF21 potential.
-Aka 84 hours a week.
-Aka 50/50 in positive versus negative nitrogen balance, and 50/50 time spend on burning fat
4) Sugar fast = no protein at all
5) Sugar diet = only 1 protein serving a day
6) A maximum of 9% protein, of which I cannot conclusively find if it is as effective as a sugar diet, therefor excluded in this hypothesis
What if we change our lifting workout schedule to either 3 or 4 days a week on consecutive days, say mo-we or -th. Push-pull-legs for example, or legs-push-pull-legs (my preferred split). The idea being we have more hours of positive nitrogen balance post workout.
So:
1) High protein diet for 4 days, aiming for max mps
2) sugar fast for 3 days, no protein at all (or 9%??)
We can adjust last meal of day 4 for fine grained adjustments, 100gr protein before bed, casein shake, or just some iso whey at 4-6PM.
With a 3 day workout schedule we can have up to 48 hours of positive nitrogen balance for each workout including the last, a 4 day workout gives you max 24h for the last workout.
Then 72 hours of maximum FGF21 release.
The question is how effective this is versus a full cut, how both tax your system / health markers, and how does it make you feel.
1) the ingestion of 100 g protein results in a greater and more prolonged (>12 h) anabolic response when compared to the ingestion of 25 g protein.
2) during this ~12 hour period, would it be a correct assumption the FGF21 increase from the absence of protein is not there.
3) Meaning an evening consumption of said 100gr protein leaves ~12 hours a day of sugar fast induced FGF21 potential.
-Aka 84 hours a week.
-Aka 50/50 in positive versus negative nitrogen balance, and 50/50 time spend on burning fat
4) Sugar fast = no protein at all
5) Sugar diet = only 1 protein serving a day
6) A maximum of 9% protein, of which I cannot conclusively find if it is as effective as a sugar diet, therefor excluded in this hypothesis
What if we change our lifting workout schedule to either 3 or 4 days a week on consecutive days, say mo-we or -th. Push-pull-legs for example, or legs-push-pull-legs (my preferred split). The idea being we have more hours of positive nitrogen balance post workout.
So:
1) High protein diet for 4 days, aiming for max mps
2) sugar fast for 3 days, no protein at all (or 9%??)
We can adjust last meal of day 4 for fine grained adjustments, 100gr protein before bed, casein shake, or just some iso whey at 4-6PM.
With a 3 day workout schedule we can have up to 48 hours of positive nitrogen balance for each workout including the last, a 4 day workout gives you max 24h for the last workout.
Then 72 hours of maximum FGF21 release.
The question is how effective this is versus a full cut, how both tax your system / health markers, and how does it make you feel.