A little help with SD.

Matthersby said:
It’s all dosage. 40/40 would horrible. but 20/20 on super dmz2.0 is seriously nice. I was monkey strong on that stuff alongside test/Trest and put on good solid weight. Just some aggression and BP and that’s about it. 40/40 would kill me I’m pretty sure.
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Oh dude it was awful, but the gains were insane. Literally insane. Wouldn’t ever do it again though.... unless I decide to go crazy which is possible but doubtful. Back pumps were awful though, couldn’t deadlift because of them.
 
How’s the sides and gains with EOD or prewo dosing with SD? I’m interested in doing a cycle but also a little scared... :|
 
Well, it’s tolerable at 10mg for a pretty long time. If you took 20mg pre training, which for a lot of guys ends up being Three times a week really... it would be tolerable. It wouldn’t build up as much
 
Old Witch said:
Well, it’s tolerable at 10mg for a pretty long time. If you took 20mg pre training, which for a lot of guys ends up being Three times a week really... it would be tolerable. It wouldn’t build up as much
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Would it be worth it to do 10mgx3 week or just do 10mg ED for 3 weeks? I’m after the strength increase.
 
BBiceps said:
Would it be worth it to do 10mgx3 week or just do 10mg ED for 3 weeks? I’m after the strength increase.
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3x10mg? Most people don't even tolerate 20mg/d for 3 weeks.

Currently I'm on 250mg/w test/2x16mg DMZ/ 1x 10mg S-drol (cutting cycle with IF and TKD). So far, no problems and it seems to combine very well.
My last S-drol cycle was 4 weeks at 20mg/d recomp. It leaned me out a bit on maintenance cals, no muscles gained.
I suspect, the reported gains are highly carb dependent and mainly due to glycogen storage. I noted a sharply upped metabolism from S-drol, that's why I decided to cut on it this time.

If you never done it, try something like 200-500mg test/w 10mg S-drol pre workout. After 5-7 days, try 20mg. If feeling like sh1t, cut dose again.
 
For pre workout aggression and strength it was underwhelming for me. Oral trest at 30-50mg was WAY better. We are all different.
 
hairygrandpa said:
3x10mg? Most people don't even tolerate 20mg/d for 3 weeks.

Currently I'm on 250mg/w test/2x16mg DMZ/ 1x 10mg S-drol (cutting cycle with IF and TKD). So far, no problems and it seems to combine very well.
My last S-drol cycle was 4 weeks at 20mg/d recomp. It leaned me out a bit on maintenance cals, no muscles gained.
I suspect, the reported gains are highly carb dependent and mainly due to glycogen storage. I noted a sharply upped metabolism from S-drol, that's why I decided to cut on it this time.

If you never done it, try something like 200-500mg test/w 10mg S-drol pre workout. After 5-7 days, try 20mg. If feeling like sh1t, cut dose again.
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I meant 10mg 3 times a week.

Thanks for your reply, it might not be what I want after all.
 
BBiceps said:
Would it be worth it to do 10mgx3 week or just do 10mg ED for 3 weeks? I’m after the strength increase.
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It’s personal opinion, and I know a lot don’t agree, but I get next to nothing pulsing orals. At least, nothing close to what I get when they have built up in my system and I’m seeing insane improvements every workout. Usually from day 10-14 until the end of the run.
 
Matthersby said:
It’s personal opinion, and I know a lot don’t agree, but I get next to nothing pulsing orals. At least, nothing close to what I get when they have built up in my system and I’m seeing insane improvements every workout. Usually from day 10-14 until the end of the run.
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^^^ Same here.
 
BBiceps said:
I meant 10mg 3 times a week.

Thanks for your reply, it might not be what I want after all.
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Nah... 30mg/w is IMHO useless.

I don't know if my experience can help you -but I think I had the best gains vs less sides, on longer, moderate cycles, like 350mg test/w + 40-60mg/d t-bol for 8 weeks. Nowadays I would balance more anabolic compounds with androgenic compounds. In case of t-bol it would look like:
350mg-500mg test/w/40-60mg t-bol/d/ 50mg proviron/d.

For cutting, I opt for shorter cycles with harsher compounds. Partly using the appetite suppression and nutrition partition from harder orals.
 
Like I said, if you want to use it as some kind of preworkout you’ll need to take the 20mg all at once.
 
hairygrandpa said:
For cutting, I opt for shorter cycles with harsher compounds. Partly using the appetite suppression and nutrition partition from harder orals.
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Yeah I get that, totally, but the harsher orals at moderate doses make it reaaaaly hard to do cardio. At least in my case. So for me, it's like test 350mg + 5mg SD + some inject or other lower dose oral lime var at 30mg... Maaybe SD at 10mg... anything beyond that makes my legs and body to stiff to do cardio...
 
Old Witch said:
Well, it’s tolerable at 10mg for a pretty long time. If you took 20mg pre training, which for a lot of guys ends up being Three times a week really... it would be tolerable. It wouldn’t build up as much
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I loved 20mgs PWO..that was my sweet spot
 
Sheriff Morri said:
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That’s clearer
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I have searched a lot and have seen some feedback on this, I have a bottle of it but am a little leary as that dose is on the high side for M1T and at 2 pills a day seems like a receipe for disastor or the product itself doesnt really contain that much M1T. I know we have certain American companies that like to call there products fancy things but they are from far what the bottle states. So any feedback on this is appreciated, if not I will test PRE's DMZ on my lab specimen to see how he does.
 
I'm a little confused...isn't m1t methylated testosterone?

And making an injectable form of it would be test without a ester?
 
Old Witch said:
It’s methylated 1-test and there are no injectables of M1T on the market.
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Swim taps out on 15mgs a day. Cant do it anymore. Dropping to 7.5mgs. On 15, pumps are so bad, I cant train. Strongest stuff ive ever taken for sure. Put 25lbs on my bench in 8 days...but way too strong for me to run with any consistency
 
Guess its like riding a bull...the longer you hang on the better results are going to be..however, no matter what, its gonna be a short ride
 
Since we are talking about M1T, SD, and other harsher orals....
pulsing aside, how often would you be willing to run orals like these, assuming you only blast and cruise? Considering lipids and liver enzymes mainly. I’m thinking 60 days is the absolute minimum in between runs if you ran SD for 30-35 days, and say you wanted to start M1T at 5-7.5mg’s straight through 28 days.
 
Matthersby said:
Since we are talking about M1T, SD, and other harsher orals....
pulsing aside, how often would you be willing to run orals like these, assuming you only blast and cruise? Considering lipids and liver enzymes mainly. I’m thinking 60 days is the absolute minimum in between runs if you ran SD for 30-35 days, and say you wanted to start M1T at 5-7.5mg’s straight through 28 days.
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Yeah, I’ve seen blood work from guys who ran three M1T cycles a year for a month each... even months later, liver enzymes still somewhat elevated.

I mean, I think M1T is going to be about as useful yearly as dianabol. Not something you need a bunch of times a year.

Superdrol, though... **** depending on who you ask, that’s your all in one photo prep.
 
Old Witch said:
Yeah, I’ve seen blood work from guys who ran three M1T cycles a year for a month each... even months later, liver enzymes still somewhat elevated.

I mean, I think M1T is going to be about as useful yearly as dianabol. Not something you need a bunch of times a year.

Superdrol, though... **** depending on who you ask, that’s your all in one photo prep.
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Ya, I’m just getting greedy. Got some SD for May. I’ll chill with that and maybe run some Winnie or Msten/DMZ combo later this year. No need for all that pain w M1T. B U T, I may just get a few for pre workout doses just to see what I’m missing.
 
Matthersby said:
Ya, I’m just getting greedy. Got some SD for May. I’ll chill with that and maybe run some Winnie or Msten/DMZ combo later this year. No need for all that pain w M1T. B U T, I may just get a few for pre workout doses just to see what I’m missing.
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I on the other hand need to gain about a hundred pounds of muscle. Fast. So after I log my research of M1A, I’ll be taking two months off orals and then hit a burst of M1T, wait two months and hit it again with superdrol 1:1. See where I am at that point.
 
Old Witch said:
I on the other hand need to gain about a hundred pounds of muscle. Fast. So after I log my research of M1A, I’ll be taking two months off orals and then hit a burst of M1T, wait two months and hit it again with superdrol 1:1. See where I am at that point.
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100 pounds, eh? :) The amount of extra food will fill a small truck.
 
Witch..100lbs of muscle? In how long? Come on man..you know better than that. 100lbs is a lifetime goal..and your about my age from what I remember. Hell..ill be cheering you on though.
 
swimfan65 said:
Witch..100lbs of muscle? In how long? Come on man..you know better than that. 100lbs is a lifetime goal..and your about my age from what I remember. Hell..ill be cheering you on though.
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Let’s go with one year. Yeah. One year. I’ll try to put on a buck in one year. Hit 311. Let’s see if I can. I bet I top out at about 280.
 
Old Witch said:
Let’s go with one year. Yeah. One year. I’ll try to put on a buck in one year. Hit 311. Let’s see if I can. I bet I top out at about 280.
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Over-reaching always produces better results. My bulk I got 35lbs shooting for 50. Bet if I had shot for 25, it would have just been 25. Aim high...
 
I’m about 90% sure if I make the most out of the year I can either do it or develop some serious health issues trying.
 
Old Witch said:
Let’s go with one year. Yeah. One year. I’ll try to put on a buck in one year. Hit 311. Let’s see if I can. I bet I top out at about 280.
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I love the optimism. But you’re gonna need some of that superdupermethyltrenavardboladrol
 
Old Witch said:
Let’s go with one year. Yeah. One year. I’ll try to put on a buck in one year. Hit 311. Let’s see if I can. I bet I top out at about 280.
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I bet I STILL would have 19 year olds that weigh a buck twenty mean-mugging me at the gym, even at 280. Drives me nuts curling what they bench and they walk past me flexed like they are going to slow me down. H A T E cocky kids. - sorry for the vent
 
Matthersby said:
I bet I STILL would have 19 year olds that weigh a buck twenty mean-mugging me at the gym, even at 280. Drives me nuts curling what they bench and they walk past me flexed like they are going to slow me down. H A T E cocky kids. - sorry for the vent
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Right there with you. My gym has weekly challenges and some cocky kid hit 315 on bench..shirted and wrapped..and was acting like a total dbag. While he was hi fiving his 'bros', I went to his bench with no wraps..and ripped off 20 reps with 315. I might be old..but Im a bad mf...lol
 
swimfan65 said:
Right there with you. My gym has weekly challenges and some cocky kid hit 315 on bench..shirted and wrapped..and was acting like a total dbag. While he was hi fiving his 'bros', I went to his bench with no wraps..and ripped off 20 reps with 315. I might be old..but Im a bad mf...lol
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And they cut their shirt up like it’s a ****ing man-thong! Walking all puffed up with their baby Justin Bieber muscles. I’m probably gonna end up catching a charge here one day at my gym. ???
 
Matthersby said:
And they cut their shirt up like it’s a ****ing man-thong! Walking all puffed up with their baby Justin Bieber muscles. I’m probably gonna end up catching a charge here one day at my gym. ������
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Yeah..the tren aint helping either..lol
 
There’s not one shred of evidence that shows acute steroid use over a period of several months is 100% guaranteed to shorten the lifespan.
 
Old Witch said:
There’s not one shred of evidence that shows acute steroid use over a period of several months is 100% guaranteed to shorten the lifespan.
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You misunderstood me. We are in a forum called anabolic minds, it would be ridiculous to say dont take AAS.

Im just saying 100lbs of muscle in just a year is too much for the body. That kind of muscle-that fast-will hurt you twice the AAS you will take in order to succed. If you dont plan to compete, maybe you should better make it -lets say- a 3 years goal.

Just my opinion man, no need to go mad. Im not criticizing anyone here.
 
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