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Hey guys, just wondering what all I need to take with Superdrol. I’ve ran 3 cycles of DMZ, but have never touched superdrol.

Can anyone tell me what I may or may not need for cycle support? I already have pct stuff! Thanks in advance.
 
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Hey guys, just wondering what all I need to take with Superdrol. I’ve ran 3 cycles of DMZ, but have never touched superdrol.

Can anyone tell me what I may or may not need for cycle support? I already have pct stuff! Thanks in advance.
You are going to need tudca/udca for sure. Sd is quite hepatotoxic, and udca/tudca will help prevent liver damage. Other things you might consider taking is hawthorn berry to help lower blood pressure and improve lipid profiles.

What does your pct look like? Please tell me that you have a serm like nolva, or clomid and not some otc sh!t
 
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Hey guys, just wondering what all I need to take with Superdrol. I’ve ran 3 cycles of DMZ, but have never touched superdrol.

Can anyone tell me what I may or may not need for cycle support? I already have pct stuff! Thanks in advance.
Yeah, like Natty said, TUDCA/UDCA. I'd also use an all around, like CEL Cycle Assist.
 
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Yeah, like Natty said, TUDCA/UDCA. I'd also use an all around, like CEL Cycle Assist.
Yes, cel seems pretty solid. Imo, cel cycle assist along with tudca/udca is suitable for any cycle (i dont use nac, as it has been shown in some studies to limit the absorption/effectiveness of prohormones when taken together).
 
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I have clomid and a booster for pct! Thanks for the info. So, here’s another quick question. Would you happen to know how SD compares to Geozine (DMZ)?
 
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I have clomid and a booster for pct! Thanks for the info. So, here’s another quick question. Would you happen to know how SD compares to Geozine (DMZ)?
Yeah it’s about three times stronger.
 
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Yeah it’s about three times stronger.
What he said ^
The fact that dmz is actually two fused sd molecules l, does not mean that is actually stronger or that sd has actually les side effects/ is safer than dmz. It's not how it works. So, make sure you know what you're doing and listen to your body
 
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What he said ^
The fact that dmz is actually two fused sd molecules l, does not mean that is actually stronger or that sd has actually les side effects/ is safer than dmz. It's not how it works. So, make sure you know what you're doing and listen to your body
Yep.
SD is stronger, harsher, and more toxic.
 
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Yes, cel seems pretty solid. Imo, cel cycle assist along with tudca/udca is suitable for any cycle (i dont use nac, as it has been shown in some studies to limit the absorption/effectiveness of prohormones when taken together).
There is NAC in cel assist
 
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As guys above said, (T)UDCA is absolute mandatory, my liver values didnt move a hint with 1.5gr UDCA while on 20mg SD for the last 2 weeks(out of 3)
 
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You don't need anything really... But it's not a bad idea to take nac and or udca. Everything else, like for instance medication for high blood pressure, is as needed. Also, you can't really do anything about lipids. Except maybe statins or ppar inhibitors. AAS have a direct impact on HDL synthesis and lowering of LDL. You can not do anything about that. Only thing you can do is to not take aas. Even statins and ppar inhibitors wont help that much on SD and statins also have there own sides to them.

But if you want to spend money on supps then go right ahead, if that makes you feel better.
 
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You don't need anything really... But it's not a bad idea to take nac and or udca. Everything else, like for instance medication for high blood pressure, is as needed. Also, you can't really do anything about lipids. Except maybe statins or ppar inhibitors. AAS have a direct impact on HDL synthesis and lowering of LDL. You can not do anything about that. Only thing you can do is to not take aas. Even statins and ppar inhibitors wont help that much on SD and statins also have there own sides to them.

But if you want to spend money on supps then go right ahead, if that makes you feel better.
Disagree 100%

Except the part where you said we don't have to take anything, really. We don't. That even includes food and liquids. They just help us to live longer.
 
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Personally I’d be taking some cardarine and cialis with it and at least 30g fiber with half being soluble. I don’t recommend statins or red yeast rice.

I would also probably take methyl b12 which will lower homocysteine, thusly lowering cardiac effects, and glutathione, which will help the liver metabolize cholesterol more readily, as well as relieve inflammation directly.

In fact anything which will reduce liver inflammation would be ideal. Nac and Tudca do work but must be dosed separately from the drug by a few hours or they will do nothing. They work to heal, not as much prevent.
 
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Just to weigh in here:

I love this site since there’s sooooo much emphasis on harm reduction and intelligent discussion that gives PED use a good name instead of a bunch of reckless knuckleheads that want to die young in a big casket.
That being said, you seriously need NOTHING for 4 weeks of a toxic steroid. If you are going to spend money regardless, try to keep your cholesterol in check with cardarine, krill oil, doc visit for statins etc etc.

Unless you have a serious condition, your liver will recover from an aggressive oral steroid run to 100%... not 95%, 100%.

Now, if we are talking about trying save your appetite and keep liver fatigue at bay: yes Tudca/NAC may actually help because no matter what I do, I lose my appetite COMPLETELY by week 4 on Superdrol.

We are very cautious here, but BELIEVE ME, you physically won’t be able to get a pill of SD down if your liver is in trouble and your eyes will be straight yellowish brown. Translation: you will quit an oral steroid about 5 months prior to it becoming a significant problem.

As many say around here: what will come sneak up and kill you 10 years from now from heavy steroid use is lipids. Your liver can take the worlds worst beating and a month later it will be back to Perfect function.

But ya, Tudca will help.
 
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That being said, you seriously need NOTHING for 4 weeks of a toxic steroid.
My point exactly.

Also, most s"cycle assist" supps have so much stuff that does to little to warrant the price.

As I said, statins, ppar inhibitors (cardarine) and udca/nac. And if blood pressure gets to high you also might wanna take care off that. But again, 4 weeks...
 
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They work to heal, not as much prevent.
They do work to heal but I would say they mostly prevent. Udca's primary role is to help remove the excess bile which is clogging up the pathways in the liver. It was created for choleostasis... But it does have other properties that "work to heal" besides that. Nac is a bit more complicated...
 
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Disagree 100%

Except the part where you said we don't have to take anything, really. We don't. That even includes food and liquids. They just help us to live longer.
While I value your opinion, it would serve the debate a bit more, if you elaborated a bit on your stance : )
 
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I've taken orals with nac and TUDCA and also taken the same orals with nothing for liver. The bloodwork was pretty much the same. I would still take one or the other but if your healthy to start it shouldn't be a problem
 
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While I value your opinion, it would serve the debate a bit more, if you elaborated a bit on your stance : )
It's been debated to death. If you are sure that cycle assisting compounds aren't going to help you, what I write here now won't change your mind, at this point. But I had to add in my opinion, for the benefit of newer guys.
 
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And I personally don’t think that superdrol was much stronger than dmz in my experience. It killed my appetite though lol.
 
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They do work to heal but I would say they mostly prevent. Udca's primary role is to help remove the excess bile which is clogging up the pathways in the liver. It was created for choleostasis... But it does have other properties that "work to heal" besides that. Nac is a bit more complicated...
Yeah I misstated, NAC is mainly the healing after damage, udca and Tudca are mainly to prevent damage. I’ve just been on so many topics today I’m getting overly simple. Nac converts into glutathione in the body. Methyl b12 assists in creating methionine and lowering homocysteine.

If you take oral Tudca or udca, and glutathione injections, your liver is pretty much covered.

Silymarin will cause the liver to dump out it’s bile ducts, by enlarging them. So if that’s on your agenda, go for it.
 
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And I personally don’t think that superdrol was much stronger than dmz in my experience. It killed my appetite though lol.
So you completely transformed on 20mg of dmz and then had to stop on week three because of sides? Because that’s what 20mg of real superdrol does.
 

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Yeah I misstated, NAC is mainly the healing after damage, udca and Tudca are mainly to prevent damage. I’ve just been on so many topics today I’m getting overly simple. Nac converts into glutathione in the body. Methyl b12 assists in creating methionine and lowering homocysteine.

If you take oral Tudca or udca, and glutathione injections, your liver is pretty much covered.

Silymarin will cause the liver to dump out it’s bile ducts, by enlarging them. So if that’s on your agenda, go for it.
I’ve read a bit on UDCA vs TUDCA. Is udca superior or no?
 
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mod edit: no
 

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You don't need anything really... But it's not a bad idea to take nac and or udca. Everything else, like for instance medication for high blood pressure, is as needed. Also, you can't really do anything about lipids. Except maybe statins or ppar inhibitors. AAS have a direct impact on HDL synthesis and lowering of LDL. You can not do anything about that. Only thing you can do is to not take aas. Even statins and ppar inhibitors wont help that much on SD and statins also have there own sides to them.

But if you want to spend money on supps then go right ahead, if that makes you feel better.
This..does anyone truly know how much tuduca youd have to eat to make a difference...its an insane amount every few hours. I have ran and am currently running SD with no support. Hate to say it, but support supps are pretty much bro science. Hawthorn berry and milk thistle are useless. I get blood work monthly..on cycle with harsh orals..like methyl tren, SD, and Anadrol and off cycle. I have had bloods done when I belived in the hype of support supps and when I havent used them..no difference. But buy what you want..but if it makes any difference at all..it is so small that it makes no difference. But a big yes for PCT..Novla or Clomid. Probably get flamed for this post, but I am speaking from 20 years of studying and personal experience.
 
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So you completely transformed on 20mg of dmz and then had to stop on week three because of sides? Because that’s what 20mg of real superdrol does.
Mg per mg comparisons don’t mean anything because each compound needs to be dosed at a specific dosage to be effective. 45mg dmz vs 20mg sdrol felt similar to me, with dmz bringing better strength but sdrol bringing better fullness and pumps.
 
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He ran OL Sup3rdrol. I'm beginning to wonder if it is the same strength as the stuff some of us used several years back.

https://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-logs/308983-ags-superdrol-adventure.html
I wish the last week went well. The appetite suppression on it was awful and I ended up injuring myself on the last week with 3 bad workouts in a row prior to the injury. I expected more strength honestly. I will say though, that my strength overall went up good, but the barbell bench just didn’t go up as anticipated.
 
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Mg per mg comparisons don’t mean anything because each compound needs to be dosed at a specific dosage to be effective. 45mg dmz vs 20mg sdrol felt similar to me, with dmz bringing better strength but sdrol bringing better fullness and pumps.
Right, and with things that are roughly equally strong, such as superdrol and M1T, that dose is going to be equal. DMZ is just plain not as strong as superdrol. You’ll have the same sides as superdrol, but at a much higher dose, and without the same crazy results. Because it isn’t as anabolic, it isn’t as strong. Not by quite a lot. I took 60mg dmz and while the sides felt similar to 20mg superdrol I got pretty much nothing from it but great pumps and solid sessions in the gym. And sides.
 
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Yeah I misstated, NAC is mainly the healing after damage, udca and Tudca are mainly to prevent damage. I’ve just been on so many topics today I’m getting overly simple. Nac converts into glutathione in the body. Methyl b12 assists in creating methionine and lowering homocysteine.

If you take oral Tudca or udca, and glutathione injections, your liver is pretty much covered.

Silymarin will cause the liver to dump out it’s bile ducts, by enlarging them. So if that’s on your agenda, go for it.
Yeah, nac is more like an strong antioxidant... it could be used year round just as general purpose health supp. But it also helps in reducing bille I think...

Had no idea about the methyl b12. Have to google that tnx
 
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It's been debated to death. If you are sure that cycle assisting compounds aren't going to help you, what I write here now won't change your mind, at this point. But I had to add in my opinion, for the benefit of newer guys.
Haha fair enough. But tbh, we would probably end up agreeing on a lot of stuff bc all that was said till now is really just a one big generalisation. If we would go down to details, then yeah... but just generally speaking, what helps are medical stuff like statins, beta blockers, udca, etc... not the junk that is sold in a lot of cycle assit supps. And as I said before, for a short 3 to 4 week SD cycle at 20mg... you don't really need anything as someone else has already said in this thread, liver damage caused by aas is grossly exaggerated for the most part.
 
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I wish the last week went well. The appetite suppression on it was awful and I ended up injuring myself on the last week with 3 bad workouts in a row prior to the injury. I expected more strength honestly. I will say though, that my strength overall went up good, but the barbell bench just didn’t go up as anticipated.
Sorry to hear that. SD is a biatch. I lasted 16 days on 20mg. Was one awkward move from a muscle tear all the time. I mean, I almost pulled a biceps throwing darts for crying out loud haha So next time I do SD it will be between 5 to 10 mg max.

How did you sustain and what kind of injuries did you get?
 
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Last time I did sd I last three weeks dosing on training days only. Just didnt seem to feel good on it.

sd is harsher, more suppressive less androgenic and more anabolic on paprer than dmx. Ive never done dmz. but I suspect the strength gains on it are due to the higher androgenic ratio. dmz on paper would be worse for hair, if predisposed to androgenic alopecia.

there was a product years back mixed with dmz and sd and at a low dose of 10 mgs and 15 dmz, that might make things more pleasant.
 
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Sorry to hear that. SD is a biatch. I lasted 16 days on 20mg. Was one awkward move from a muscle tear all the time. I mean, I almost pulled a biceps throwing darts for crying out loud haha So next time I do SD it will be between 5 to 10 mg max.

How did you sustain and what kind of injuries did you get?
Yup I remember reading over your log a bit haha. I strained my right pec 2 1/2 weeks ago on superdrol and am still dealing with it, although it seems to be getting better.
 
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Last time I did sd I last three weeks dosing on training days only. Just didnt seem to feel good on it.

sd is harsher, more suppressive less androgenic and more anabolic on paprer than dmx. Ive never done dmz. but I suspect the strength gains on it are due to the higher androgenic ratio. dmz on paper would be worse for hair, if predisposed to androgenic alopecia.

there was a product years back mixed with dmz and sd and at a low dose of 10 mgs and 15 dmz, that might make things more pleasant.
Sounds like you’re referencing the original Super DMZ.
 

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Just run the same thing you ran with DMZ... It’s damn near the same thing, or once upon a time it was.
 
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Just run the same thing you ran with DMZ... It’s damn near the same thing, or once upon a time it was.
They are VERY different, brother.
 
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And I personally don’t think that superdrol was much stronger than dmz in my experience. It killed my appetite though lol.
I know I asked you this in the middle of your Superdrol cycle, but now that you are finished how many pounds gained and kept on Superdrol and how many on DMZ? Both runs were for four weeks I believe.
 
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Maybe now, but one molecule off..
Idk why anyone would use it anyway tbh
For steroids, just the slightest change in chemistry, can mean a difference as drastic as night and day.

I can speak for why I used SD .... It is the most anabolic substance that I've ever taken. .. And I've been taking steroids for quite a while.
 
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I know I asked you this in the middle of your Superdrol cycle, but now that you are finished how many pounds gained and kept on Superdrol and how many on DMZ? Both runs were for four weeks I believe.
I gained similar amounts on both. After injuring my pec on superdrol, I ended up taking a fair amount of time off and not eating as much, so I lost a fair bit of the weight. Strength is still decent though. Honestly, dmz was probably better. Everyone is different of course, and there’s also the fact that none of us truly know wether or not the stuff is legit and dosed properly unless we actually send it to a lab to be tested.
 

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What Mathersby said..

Superdrol doesn't transform your body.

It gives you insane pumps and very quick dry gains.
They leave just as fast as they come, that's why it's primarily used a kickstart to a long ester test etc.

As a standalone, six weeks at ten with test base is your best shot at recomp IMO.
But for a recomp, why trash your cholesterol? Wrong tool, Use it to get going fast before your test kicks...
 

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Im a pretty big fan of SD. 20mgs PWO has been great...stronger every day
 
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Im a pretty big fan of SD. 20mgs PWO has been great...stronger every day
You’re tougher than me. I can run 20mg for 30 days but it’s just too unpleasant and I can’t eat at all
 
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How keepable are sd gains? I mean most must be water since it really increases glycogen storing capabilities in the muscles if im not wrong. Also it doesn't seem to be going through any conversions, so it's more of a designer steroid than ph, right?
I haven't really done any research on sd, contrary to other aas, and im iust saying what friends (who haven't run anything ever) have said to me and id like to know too.

Edit: Sorry for highjacking your post op, if there's any problem pm and ill delete this post
 
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How keepable are sd gains? I mean most must be water since it really increases glycogen storing capabilities in the muscles if im not wrong. Also it doesn't seem to be going through any conversions, so it's more of a designer steroid than ph, right?
I haven't really done any research on sd, contrary to other aas, and im iust saying what friends (who haven't run anything ever) have said to me and id like to know too.

Edit: Sorry for highjacking your post op, if there's any problem pm and ill delete this post
Super situational. I ran it with Trest and kept Most of it. Probably because I ran it lower dose and didn’t push it.
I ran it high dose with no other injectable way back in the day. Lost the majority of it.

IMO

Lower dose+good injectable+consistency and you can keep Most.

What’s fast never lasts.
 
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Super situational. I ran it with Trest and kept Most of it. Probably because I ran it lower dose and didn’t push it.
I ran it high dose with no other injectable way back in the day. Lost the majority of it.

IMO

Lower dose+good injectable+consistency and you can keep Most.

What’s fast never lasts.
So, "easy come, easy go". Like other compounds. Thanks man!
 
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So, "easy come, easy go". Like other compounds. Thanks man!
Ya but I’ve hated that so long that I’ve tried every method out there. You’d be surprised how much you can keep if you keep doses low and stretch the run out 5-6 weeks instead of 4
 
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Ya but I’ve hated that so long that I’ve tried every method out there. You’d be surprised how much you can keep if you keep doses low and stretch the run out 5-6 weeks instead of 4
I see... I might try it in a future cycle along with test
 

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