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A GOOD NATTY STRENGTH/ HARDENING STACK WHILE CUTTING?

HollingW said:
Ya I think I'm gunna get rid of the CLA and look at ArA some more, but the reviews look good, just confused on what effects it is really gunna have, or what people's real results from it have been during a caloric deficit??? Also for taking both ARA and ABE during a cut. What are some dosing recommendations?
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Reviews I have seen from people cutting with ArA are keeping and even adding strength while noticing body composition changes. I ran ArA and ABE on a recomp and my body composition drastically changed while adding LMB and strength shot through the roof.

ArA: dose 1-2 grams pre-workout. No need for dosing on off days.
ABE: 2 pre / 2 post. Off days - 1/1/1/1
 
Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks:

Creatine
ArA (x gels i guess?)
Fish oil
Multi
Protein
Pre-workout
Agmatine

And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts??

Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
 
HollingW said:
Okay looks like this is gunna be what I run for three weeks: Creatine ArA (x gels i guess?) Fish oil Multi Protein Pre-workout Agmatine And then add Anabeta Elite to this after three weeks or so...thoughts?? Anyone see any problems with anything in this stack, or have any last minute recommendations?
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X-Gels or X-Factor.

If you do the fish oil, dose 4-6 hours away from ArA.

Looks good otherwise.
 
Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
 
HollingW said:
Ya I forgot to take fish oil out of my list, I know ARA is supposed to rise vascularity, among other things would taking Agmatine still be beneficial?
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For sure. Can be used pre-workout, pre-meals, or pre-bed.
 
HollingW said:
Do you mean during like the first 3 weeks, and then stop when I add the ABE?
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No. Start the Forskolin with the ArA and continue running it even when you add in ABE (1-2 Forskolin caps a day).
 
HollingW said:
Does the Anabeta not have enough Forskolin in it I guess?
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It has enough, it is just that a higher dose (75-100mg) seem to give better effects.

And running Forskolin for a longer period of time (12 weeks) is recommended also.
 
HollingW said:
And the ABE for 8weeks? And how long for the ARA?
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Yes for ABE. ArA, run for 50 workout days. So depending on how many days a week you workout, ArA could last for a while.
 
kbayne said:
Yes for ABE. ArA, run for 50 workout days. So depending on how many days a week you workout, ArA could last for a while.
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So that's about 50-100 grams of ARA needed for that, right? And what is recommended forskolin dosing times?
 
HollingW said:
So that's about 50-100 grams of ARA needed for that, right? And what is recommended forskolin dosing times?
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Yes. Need 2 100ct bottles for 1 gram a day , about 3.25 bottles for 1.5 grams, and 4 bottles for 2 grams.

You can either dose in the AM, pre-workout, post-workout, or pre-bed.
 
kbayne said:
Yes. Need 2 100ct bottles for 1 gram a day , about 3.25 bottles for 1.5 grams, and 4 bottles for 2 grams. You can either dose in the AM, pre-workout, post-workout, or pre-bed.
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Alright got it. Hey thanks for all the help on this *kbayne n others. Helps out a lot. I'll try to keep you posted on what it end up going with and the progress
 
HollingW said:
Alright got it. Hey thanks for all the help on this *kbayne n others. Helps out a lot. I'll try to keep you posted on what it end up going with and the progress
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Yeah, keep us posted.
 
Also last? any side effects from stopping taking these supplements (ARA, ABE, forskolin) when done, or possible gains going back down or anything like that? But be dumb question, but just wanna double check from anyone with experience with these.
 
HollingW said:
Also last? any side effects from stopping taking these supplements (ARA, ABE, forskolin) when done, or possible gains going back down or anything like that? But be dumb question, but just wanna double check from anyone with experience with these.
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No side effects should take place. Diet will play a huge role in keeping the gains. You will actually keep seeing gains for about 2 weeks after stopping the ArA.
 
i bet the new Erase pro would stack amazing with some Alphamine & ArA . if you have some $$$ pop in some Compound 20/ Forskolin.
or both lol. and you got some of the best cutting stack ever. IMHO
 
So after doing more research it does look like ABE will make you feel a lot hungrier, which i dont think i would want since I am trying to lose Body Fat, and the diet is hard enough as it is to maintain, is there a better alternative than ABE for a cut while stacking with ARA?
 
I just finished up a stack of Alphamax and Alphamine for a cut and had awesome results. Alphamax get's you all these goodies to help with hardening and strength increases.
1.4g Divanil
300mg 98% L-DOPA
75mg Arimistane
50mg 95% Forskolin
4000iu Vitamin D3
120mg ZMA

Just Alphamax alone would be good for what you propose, but add in Alphamine and you're really going to see some nice results.
 
nicksox15 said:
I just finished up a stack of Alphamax and Alphamine for a cut and had awesome results. Alphamax get's you all these goodies to help with hardening and strength increases.
1.4g Divanil
300mg 98% L-DOPA
75mg Arimistane
50mg 95% Forskolin
4000iu Vitamin D3
120mg ZMA

Just Alphamax alone would be good for what you propose, but add in Alphamine and you're really going to see some nice results.
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I know people have said that Erase has given them bad side effects, from like bad joints n stuff like that, would that be from the Arimistane? and if so would i expect to see any of those bad side effects with Alphamax? what kind of results did you get?
 
Armistane can definitely dry out your joints, but it also dries out your muscles to harden them up. Most run erase/alphamax/armistane products with some fish oil to help with that, while some people have no joint issues at all. I had great results but I'll link you to a few reviews from other users here. Invalid Link Removed We've also got someone running a log right now, and quite a few people picked up the sale at NutraPlanet and we're getting great feedback.
 
Only thing I can think of since everything else has been covered is sleep. Probably something that is missed the most. So if you start having issues sleeping at all, look into Lights Out or Intimidate.
 
veaderko said:
Only thing I can think of since everything else has been covered is sleep. Probably something that is missed the most. So if you start having issues sleeping at all, look into Lights Out or Intimidate.
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I def agree with the sleeping aspect, but would something like Alphamax help with that, because of ingridients like the ZMA?
 
HollingW said:
I def agree with the sleeping aspect, but would something like Alphamax help with that, because of ingridients like the ZMA?
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Alphamax definitely helps with sleep, all users have reported great, deep sleep while running alphamax. I personally had great sleep, albeit with some pretty vivid dreams!
 
So.... before I purchase, Any more comments/ thoughts/ experience with ArA while cutting body fat %???? Will also add some forskolin in there most likely, because of the solid reviews.
 
If you do choose alphamax the forskolin may not be necessary as it already contains 50mg 95% Forskolin, if you want to bump it up to 75-100 you can but watch out for stomach issues.


As for sleep, the LDopa + ZMA make a huge difference in sleep quality.
 
Adizzle1 said:
If you do choose alphamax the forskolin may not be necessary as it already contains 50mg 95% Forskolin, if you want to bump it up to 75-100 you can but watch out for stomach issues.


As for sleep, the LDopa + ZMA make a huge difference in sleep quality.
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But in your experience, would someone that is 23 and probably doesn't have low test, really benefit from a product like Alphamax from the test standpoint?
 
HollingW said:
So after doing more research it does look like ABE will make you feel a lot hungrier, which i dont think i would want since I am trying to lose Body Fat, and the diet is hard enough as it is to maintain, is there a better alternative than ABE for a cut while stacking with ARA?
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You know ArA is going to increase your hunger as well right?

Also, just because others have reported hunger increases doesn't mean you will. Plenty of people have reported no hunger increases with ABE.

But if you don't want to go with ABE, go with Forskolin and Alphamine. Another solid choice is Bioforge.
 
kbayne said:
You know ArA is going to increase your hunger as well right?

Also, just because others have reported hunger increases doesn't mean you will. Plenty of people have reported no hunger increases with ABE.

But if you don't want to go with ABE, go with Forskolin and Alphamine. Another solid choice is Bioforge.
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Ya Im not sure I really understand ArA, even tho iv been trying to research it.....
 
kbayne said:
You know ArA is going to increase your hunger as well right?

Also, just because others have reported hunger increases doesn't mean you will. Plenty of people have reported no hunger increases with ABE.

But if you don't want to go with ABE, go with Forskolin and Alphamine. Another solid choice is Bioforge.
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Also so are you saying if I went with ABE, I wouldnt need the forskolin or alphamine, unless i wanted bigger dose of forskolin obviously
 
HollingW said:
Ya Im not sure I really understand ArA, even tho iv been trying to research it.....
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You may be over complicating things. I mean I know you want to get something that is going to be effective on your cut, and many people have ran ArA and/or ABE on cuts and found them very effective.

And then again, people have ran them on bulks and found them very effective as well.
 
HollingW said:
Also so are you saying if I went with ABE, I wouldnt need the forskolin or alphamine, unless i wanted bigger dose of forskolin obviously
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Yes, you do not need either Forskolin or Alphamine, but combining the three will yield greater results.
 
kbayne said:
You may be over complicating things..
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this is what happens when you ask for answers, and get a gazillion different replies in feedback .. being force-fed the info does absolutely nothing, if the poster does not understand the compounds or even the basic premise behind the compounds
kudos to you however for your patient attempts here..

OP -- spend some time reading and observing on your own, before you listen to someone online and their suggestions
make certain a product fits all of your own personal needs, and that you know how to use it
 
HollingW said:
But in your experience, would someone that is 23 and probably doesn't have low test, really benefit from a product like Alphamax from the test standpoint?
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At that age you may not see much of a boost in test, but would notice the other benefits from Alphamax. I have to agree with other posters in here as well, you don't NEED anything. Supplements are meant to do as they're named, supplement hard work and a dedication to nutrition.
 
nicksox15 said:
At that age you may not see much of a boost in test, but would notice the other benefits from Alphamax. I have to agree with other posters in here as well, you don't NEED anything. Supplements are meant to do as they're named, supplement hard work and a dedication to nutrition.
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AMEN! too many ppl/reps around here acting like supplements are the answers to everything....diet and training will really give you the results, supplements are just there to supplement those and rn't the end all be all
 
Young Gotti said:
AMEN! too many ppl/reps around here acting like supplements are the answers to everything....diet and training will really give you the results, supplements are just there to supplement those and rn't the end all be all
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Preach
 
I have similar questions as the OP. I just started taking Alphamine which will last me about a month on 3 scoops a day. I am on a leangains style cut and am incredibly detailed with macro counting (it's fun to me). I've used alphamine one time before but my diet was ****, which is not the case now, so I'm very excited to see if the hype is justified.

I ordered two bottles of ABE which will last 8 weeks, which I'll start taking as soon as they get here. I assume I should consume my ABE in my 8 hour feeding window, even on off days? Have heard it causes a hypoglycemia effect if taken on an empty stomach.

So will 8 weeks of ABE and 4-5 of alphamine be benefitted by adding additional forskolin? I could just add one forskolin 95 a day and the $20 bottle would last the entire ABE cycle.

I'm kind of hesitant to add ArA as well since I do want to see how the ABE works. Ironically I got the last of last years formula so won't be able to rebuy it even if it does work! I'm definitely curious about ArA but I worry it ya be supplement overload.

Edit: forskolin 95 is out of stock everywhere, weird...
 
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