911 We shall make them pay

Jayhawkk said:
I think some people say that the plane when hitting tore up the material designed to insulate the steel among some other theories.

Actually yeah I've heard a discussion about that before. Something like it was installed properly, or the spray foam itself wasn't the greatest.
 
New materials for what? Your answer will always be the same you have been putting forward. You have NEVER bothered to study any research put forward by structural engineers. Because you don't want to know the truth.

Just like I said many times before, your camp is like those teens at BB.com, who are hell bend on using Superdrol, no matter how many people have told them not to. They are constantly asking, looking for 'new materials', till they get an answer that says they can take Superdrol.

Everything that does not support your conspiracy theory, is by default part of the bigger conspiracy to cover up your conspiracy. Now, with such position, you can never be wrong. :lol:
 
On this site, you will find tons of engineering studies related to 911.

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Knowing Jarhead, he will not read any of those, but will simply dismiss all of them as 'they don't know what happened', as if the armchair conspiracy nuts do. :lol:
 
BioHazzard said:
New materials for what? Your answer will always be the same you have been putting forward. You have NEVER bothered to study any research put forward by structural engineers. Because you don't want to know the truth.

Just like I said many times before, your camp is like those teens at BB.com, who are hell bend on using Superdrol, no matter how many people have told them not to. They are constantly asking, looking for 'new materials', till they get an answer that says they can take Superdrol.

Everything that does not support your conspiracy theory, is by default part of the bigger conspiracy to cover up your conspiracy. Now, with such position, you can never be wrong. :lol:

You are not even making sense. I don't think you have even read any of the posts on this subject. People have questions, and they are legitimate. All you do is chuck out the same insults and different versions of the governments official story. To say I don't want to believe anything else is ridiculous. I'm a veteran, of course I don't want to think I'm being lied to by the government. I WANT to be proven wrong. You just can't take at face value what people are asking. Most of the talk in this thread has been DEBATE on how the towers fell. You have yet to offer anything new in any of these threads other than more insults. What's crazy is to blindly believe what a government says that has also said "there are wmd's in Iraq, Pat tillman died from enemy fire while saving fellow soldiers, and other wonderful stories.
 
jarhead said:
You are not even making sense. I don't think you have even read any of the posts on this subject. People have questions, and they are legitimate. All you do is chuck out the same insults and different versions of the governments official story. To say I don't want to believe anything else is ridiculous. I'm a veteran, of course I don't want to think I'm being lied to by the government. I WANT to be proven wrong. You just can't take at face value what people are asking. Most of the talk in this thread has been DEBATE on how the towers fell. You have yet to offer anything new in any of these threads other than more insults. What's crazy is to blindly believe what a government says that has also said "there are wmd's in Iraq, Pat tillman died from enemy fire while saving fellow soldiers, and other wonderful stories.
On the contrary. I make perfect sense. lol I got you guys figured out, long ago. lol

You want to be proven wrong? Great. Go dig through the engineering studies listed on the site I linked to in my post above. Happy research. :lol: :lol: (Rest assured that those are not 'government says'.)

But I already know what you are gonna say, ie, those researchers don't know anything, except what the government told them. :lol: :lol: Prove me wrong! Prove me wrong. Study those research. lol


P.S. As for my refusal to read you guys' posts about what you think happened, there is a simple reason for that. None of you have any credential in structure engineering and failure analysis. You are just armchair quarterbacking. The research I mentioned, are by people with the proper credential and expertise. Surely, they KNOW more than YOU do.. :)
 
Well for one thing Bio, I know that even if i agreed with you 100% I would still dismiss you on the way you spoke and belittled your opponents.
 
To borrow Bruce Kneller's words, "I can live with that." :lol: :lol:

Look, people post a lot of absurd things on the forum, which IF they ever present this crap at work, in public, they would be laughed at. Their bosses and colleague would dismiss their intellect and call into question their confidence in these people.

You are not doing them a favour, by pretending that they are actually making sense. What you are doing, is what is called 'enabling'. You are 'enabling' them to continue on in their delusion.

I, on the other hand, whack them on the head, and perhads, by some miracle, they start to think, may be they would get laughed at too, if they carry themselves this way in public, away from the forum.

They may hate me for it. But I am doing them a favour. :lol:
 
Well, I had to talk to a guy the other day on our srt team. He has a lot of knowledge but talks down to people and calls them out in front of others instead of explaining things to them and pulling them to the side and out of public ridicule.

You can all the info in the world but if you can't get anyone to listen then it's useless to everyone but you. If you can live with that then so be it. YTou might as well leave this thread then cause i'm not going to tolerate constant insults of other people trying to have a debate and who actually listen.
 
BioHazzard said:
To borrow Bruce Kneller's words, "I can live with that." :lol: :lol:

Look, people post a lot of absurd things on the forum, which IF they ever present this crap at work, in public, they would be laughed at. Their bosses and colleague would dismiss their intellect and call into question their confidence in these people.

You are not doing them a favour, by pretending that they are actually making sense. What you are doing, is what is called 'enabling'. You are 'enabling' them to continue on in their delusion.

I, on the other hand, whack them on the head, and perhads, by some miracle, they start to think, may be they would get laughed at too, if they carry themselves this way in public, away from the forum.

They may hate me for it. But I am doing them a favour. :lol:

Actually most of the people I talk to (and all of the people I work with) feel the same way- that there are questions that need answered. In fact a recent poll on msnbc showed that 58% of the people felt like they were being misled about 9/11. There are more crazy, delusional people like myself out there than you think.:thumbsup:
 
No Need to take my word for it.

Go the following forum and post the same stuffs, and see what response they will get.

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The people who post there, are matured professionals. Go post those conspiracy theories there and see what they think of you. :lol:
 
BioHazzard said:
No Need to take my word for it.

Go the following forum and post the same stuffs, and see what response they will get.

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The people who post there, are matured professionals. Go post those conspiracy theories there and see what they think of you. :lol:


Im sure they are the ONLY mature professionals in the world.:think: Ninjas and stockbrokers?:bruce1: Finally a use for this emoticon that is relevant!
 
Come on this is the internet. Each extreme or moderate can pull forums out their ass with sites filled with professionals that would laugh at anyone who thought outside their views and posted there.

This is why politics sucks. This is why bills get killed just because the opposite party came up with it. people getting their jollies out of getting their segregation and not being called racist in the process.
 
jarhead said:
Actually most of the people I talk to (and all of the people I work with) feel the same way- that there are questions that need answered. In fact a recent poll on msnbc showed that 58% of the people felt like they were being misled about 9/11. There are more crazy, delusional people like myself out there than you think.:thumbsup:
I am happy for you then. :lol:

So, are you gonna study those engineering reports regarding 911 then? ;)
 
BioHazzard said:
I am happy for you then. :lol:

So, are you gonna study those engineering reports regarding 911 then? ;)
Actually, yeah I will take an honest look at them as I have other things. By the way , how far have you gotten thru that Operation Northwoods link I posted?:p
 
Jayhawkk said:
Come on this is the internet. Each extreme or moderate can pull forums out their ass with sites filled with professionals that would laugh at anyone who thought outside their views and posted there.

This is why politics sucks. This is why bills get killed just because the opposite party came up with it. people getting their jollies out of getting their segregation and not being called racist in the process.
Sigh... I am certainly getting rather disappointed in you lately.

Have you joined those sites? Do you know who the people there are? Do you know what kind of quality those forum are? Do you know how many of the people at Budoseek is your fellow LEOs?

You don't even know what you are talking about, in your dismissal of these forum. You just use some general remarks that don't even apply in this case. What did they say about ASSuming?

:frustrate
 
Jayhawkk said:
Well, I had to talk to a guy the other day on our srt team. He has a lot of knowledge but talks down to people and calls them out in front of others instead of explaining things to them and pulling them to the side and out of public ridicule.

You can all the info in the world but if you can't get anyone to listen then it's useless to everyone but you. If you can live with that then so be it. YTou might as well leave this thread then cause i'm not going to tolerate constant insults of other people trying to have a debate and who actually listen.
Dude. I am not the job. I have no professional relationship with anyone on this anonymous forum. It isn't my responsibility to ensure that everyone here works as a team, on a mission. We are not on the job. We are not on a mission here. No body dies or gets injured here. No money is lose. No contract jeorpadized.

The only thing at risk of being wounded here, is people's ego.
 
yeah, Here's a great thread on Budoseek

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Also a guy making any opposite viewpoints being suspended is a nice thing too. if that is a prime example of professionals then all the more power to ya. You can take those bunch of bathrobe wearing masterbating to-belt-color whackos and live long and prosper in their presence.

I'm a current police officer and prior soldier and support our troops love my country. I have served her without regret or failure for over a decade and will continue to do so by protecting our citizens and keeping their freedoms, just that...Freedoms.

You do it your way and i'll do it mine.
 
Big Matt said:
1. No one lied to anybody.
2. Listening in on our enemies doesn't make sense to you? I'd be in a panic if we WEREN'T tapping wires!
3. The president doesn't have executive powers? What a lame job!

(p.s. - I'm not a Bush fan, angry at him for many things, I just hate the unfounded bashing.)

Bush circumvented a congressional act of war on Iraq by siting an extreme situation in Iraq specific to hard evidence of weapon of mass destructio(not one was found) and implicated Iraq with 9/11( the congressional subcommite released last week their finding that Iraq had no ties to 9/11),. Bush administration also denied any knowledge previous to 9-11-2001 that there were terroristic threats made using commercial airlines crashing into buildings.( apparently "the Bin Laden plans attacks in America" report from March 2001 was not on his reading list) Those are just the known lies to congress. Executive privilge does not allow one part of the government to mislead another.
I am not a fan of the Bush Administration but how about some founded bashing " their are no hereditary kings in America Mr. Bush"
 
Jayhawkk, I'm kind of shocked that you even debated BioHazzard. You are basically supposed to treat him like a child: pat him on the head, tell him his opinions matter, and then be on your way as if nothing happened.
 
The Experiment said:
Jayhawkk, I'm kind of shocked that you even debated BioHazzard. You are basically supposed to treat him like a child: pat him on the head, tell him his opinions matter, and then be on your way as if nothing happened.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!! Can you feel it?!:icon_lol:
 
The Experiment said:
Jayhawkk, I'm kind of shocked that you even debated BioHazzard. You are basically supposed to treat him like a child: pat him on the head, tell him his opinions matter, and then be on your way as if nothing happened.

NICE
 
anabolicrhino said:
Bush circumvented a congressional act of war on Iraq by siting an extreme situation in Iraq specific to hard evidence of weapon of mass destructio(not one was found) and implicated Iraq with 9/11( the congressional subcommite released last week their finding that Iraq had no ties to 9/11),. Bush administration also denied any knowledge previous to 9-11-2001 that there were terroristic threats made using commercial airlines crashing into buildings.( apparently "the Bin Laden plans attacks in America" report from March 2001 was not on his reading list) Those are just the known lies to congress. Executive privilge does not allow one part of the government to mislead another.
I am not a fan of the Bush Administration but how about some founded bashing " their are no hereditary kings in America Mr. Bush"

I am a big fan of perfect hind sight and armchair quarterbacking! It is so terrific! :lol:
 
BioHazzard said:
I am a big fan of perfect hind sight and armchair quarterbacking! It is so terrific! :lol:

It would be kinda of scary if we made these statements before they happened, right? I can only spaek for myself but, I had no foreknowledge of any actions by OBL...err I mean GWB!
 
anabolicrhino said:
Bush circumvented a congressional act of war on Iraq by siting an extreme situation in Iraq specific to hard evidence of weapon of mass destructio(not one was found) and implicated Iraq with 9/11( the congressional subcommite released last week their finding that Iraq had no ties to 9/11),. Bush administration also denied any knowledge previous to 9-11-2001 that there were terroristic threats made using commercial airlines crashing into buildings.( apparently "the Bin Laden plans attacks in America" report from March 2001 was not on his reading list) Those are just the known lies to congress. Executive privilge does not allow one part of the government to mislead another.
I am not a fan of the Bush Administration but how about some founded bashing " their are no hereditary kings in America Mr. Bush"


Hmm...what?....I'm sorry...wasn't listening......I was too busy remembering how Clinton carried out a similar war on the former Yugoslavia .....without going to the U.N. or getting a vote from congress.....

On March 24, 1999, U.S. Armed Forces, along with military forces from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) began massive `air strikes against the sovereign nation of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. President Clinton asserted that he ordered United States forces into action “pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander-in-chief and Chief Executive.” Neither President Clinton nor NATO articulated authority for the bombing under the United Nations Charter. Rather, they claimed NATO had authority itself and, at least, implied, that the war was undertaken for humanitarian purposes to stop ongoing human rights violations.


None of the legal justifications claimed by Clinton, NATO or others for the war against Yugoslavia were valid. The war was flatly illegal, contrary to U.S. domestic law, the U.N. Charter and international law. Under U.S. domestic law, war without authorization from Congress, constitutes an impeachable offense; under international law, aggressive war and war in violation of the U.N. Charter is a crime against the peace–a crime defined at Nuremberg as the most serious international law violation.



Again - I'd like to punch Bush square in the nose for many things......but come on now! Clinton gets a pass and Bush gets crucified! Not even close to being fair.
 
Big Matt said:
Hmm...what?....I'm sorry...wasn't listening......I was too busy remembering how Clinton carried out a similar war on the former Yugoslavia .....without going to the U.N. or getting a vote from congress.....

On March 24, 1999, U.S. Armed Forces, along with military forces from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) began massive `air strikes against the sovereign nation of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. President Clinton asserted that he ordered United States forces into action “pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander-in-chief and Chief Executive.” Neither President Clinton nor NATO articulated authority for the bombing under the United Nations Charter. Rather, they claimed NATO had authority itself and, at least, implied, that the war was undertaken for humanitarian purposes to stop ongoing human rights violations.


None of the legal justifications claimed by Clinton, NATO or others for the war against Yugoslavia were valid. The war was flatly illegal, contrary to U.S. domestic law, the U.N. Charter and international law. Under U.S. domestic law, war without authorization from Congress, constitutes an impeachable offense; under international law, aggressive war and war in violation of the U.N. Charter is a crime against the peace–a crime defined at Nuremberg as the most serious international law violation.



Again - I'd like to punch Bush square in the nose for many things......but come on now! Clinton gets a pass and Bush gets crucified! Not even close to being fair.


Thanks for keeping this alive! Apathy always depresses me!
I espescially think that you are brave to even "kiddingly" suggest that you may wish to strike Bush, in light of his newly aquired(9/28) powers of life and death over ordinary citizens(enemy combatants as deemed by king george)"..guards seize him!...to the torture chamber!!!!"

Clinton is a guilty as they come! He has atleat 100 mysterious deaths associated to his reign(92-2000)He pardoned about 200 criminals on his last day in office(presidential privildge?)

Way back in 1993 when the Muslims were not the threat they
are today, a special UN task force established that the "muslims" living in the formerly Serbian region of Yugoslavia were "ethnic Albanians" and as such were to be protected(under a NATO nation agreement) from the "ethnic cleansing" Serbians. This UN decree was unusual because the Serbians were basically returning to their "homeland" after being displaced by "eastern block" communism(which had recently been toppled) The Serbians encountered angry Ethnic Albanians who did not want to leave, this led to conflict. Its unusual because when this same exact situation occurred in Israel the United States fully supported the return of people of Israel to their "homeland' There has to be a reason for this kind of duplicity. Palestinians are no more "muslim" then Albanians. Maybe, if there was a NATO
nations agreement in 1948, we would have sent troops to fight the invading hordes(hahahaha)

Nobody gets a free pass(except for that blonde with the big ti..)
It is our constitutional "obligation" to challege all authority that may seem excessive of the law. Two wrongs don't make a right, Right?(there is a joke in there somewhere)
The USA hasn't "declared war" since the day of infamy in 1941!
 
anabolicrhino said:
Thanks for keeping this alive! Apathy always depresses me!
I espescially think that you are brave to even "kiddingly" suggest that you may wish to strike Bush, in light of his newly aquired(9/28) powers of life and death over ordinary citizens(enemy combatants as deemed by king george)"..guards seize him!...to the torture chamber!!!!"

Clinton is a guilty as they come! He has atleat 100 mysterious deaths associated to his reign(92-2000)He pardoned about 200 criminals on his last day in office(presidential privildge?)

Way back in 1993 when the Muslims were not the threat they
are today, a special UN task force established that the "muslims" living in the formerly Serbian region of Yugoslavia were "ethnic Albanians" and as such were to be protected(under a NATO nation agreement) from the "ethnic cleansing" Serbians. This UN decree was unusual because the Serbians were basically returning to their "homeland" after being displaced by "eastern block" communism(which had recently been toppled) The Serbians encountered angry Ethnic Albanians who did not want to leave, this led to conflict. Its unusual because when this same exact situation occurred in Israel the United States fully supported the return of people of Israel to their "homeland' There has to be a reason for this kind of duplicity. Palestinians are no more "muslim" then Albanians. Maybe, if there was a NATO
nations agreement in 1948, we would have sent troops to fight the invading hordes(hahahaha)

Nobody gets a free pass(except for that blonde with the big ti..)
It is our constitutional "obligation" to challege all authority that may seem excessive of the law. Two wrongs don't make a right, Right?(there is a joke in there somewhere)
The USA hasn't "declared war" since the day of infamy in 1941!

Damn! We are on the same page on some things! Awesome! :icon_lol:
 
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