1-Androsterone cannot convert to estrogen or DHT, so gyno and hair loss are not a concern either. If you run the AROM-X for the sufficient amount of time & dosage you should have no problems with recovery. If you still have concerns you can always throw something else in there to help get your natural test pumping again.
So are you saying if you use 1-ad as a stand alone as serm isn't (necesserally) need? But advisable? How about when stacked with 4-ad?
I'm sure you've had this quesiton a 100 times before but I haven't seen a definative answer on this, maybe it's just a difference of opinion and some people are willing to take more risks than others.
I think what is trying to be said is that if you are prone to gyno, you should be proactive and have a SERM on hand, however, for PCT purposes, AromX is sufficient for 1andro/4ad
Good thread with a lot of interesting info!!!
BTW, i know both hormonals are milder on hair, but which do you think is milder on hair 1-AD or 4-AD?
4-AD or 1-ANDRO does not directly convert to estrogen or DHT, you should be good with either at reasonable dosages.
OK, thanks!
I think 1-AD converts to 1-testosterone and 4-AD converts to testosterone. I'm using propecia (finasteride), and finasteride inhibits testosterone conversion to dht, so maybe 4-ad + finasteride would be the safest option for me (i don't know the effects of a 5ar inhibitor like finasteride on 1-test).
I'll try 4AD + Finasteride.
Be careful with the finasteride dosage. Since it helps stop test from converting to DHT, you will have more estrogen because DHT acts as an antagonist of Test. Keep an eye out for estrogen related effects like gyno.
Good thread with a lot of interesting info!!!
BTW, i know both hormonals are milder on hair, but which do you think is milder on hair 1-AD or 4-AD?
So can I compare 4AD to inj. Testosteron? I read that 600mg 4AD equals ~100mg Test. So would I get equal results when I take 600mg 4AD everyday like 100mg Test Propoinat injected everyday?
Hi,
I have a question.Can I stack 4-AD with NRGX-Labs Tren 13-Ethyl?I found a lot off different statements and I am little confused.Please,give me some unswers...Thank you
which is more effective, the single dose of 4-ad rd tabs, or double dose of 4-ad utt 120ml?
4-AD UTT. But spread them out at least an hour.
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but....if I'm 33, never tried anything like this before and there is absolutely no MPB on either side of my families, a straight up exactly as directions say pro anabolic kit once only will almost certainly be totally safe for the amazingly sweet flowing locks on my dome, yeah?
your flowing locks should be cool.
jjmath said:It's on the way. I am planning to start in 4 weeks. Can I assume you'll monitor this board in case I have questions?
Here's my plan:
next four weeks- five day split w/ heavy low rep sets. Continue to eat (95% clean) like a madman. ZMA, HMB, and test booster. Question: should I drop creatine at any point? I've read that starting it back up again during PCT is good for keeping gains?
Then do pro anabolic kit- as directed
PCT add a natty test boost...
Is that too much test boosting?
jjmath said:It's on the way. I am planning to start in 4 weeks. Can I assume you'll monitor this board in case I have questions?
Here's my plan:
next four weeks- five day split w/ heavy low rep sets. Continue to eat (95% clean) like a madman. ZMA, HMB, and test booster. Question: should I drop creatine at any point? I've read that starting it back up again during PCT is good for keeping gains?
Then do pro anabolic kit- as directed
PCT add a natty test boost...
Is that too much test boosting?
jjmath said:It's on the way. I am planning to start in 4 weeks. Can I assume you'll monitor this board in case I have questions?
Here's my plan:
next four weeks- five day split w/ heavy low rep sets. Continue to eat (95% clean) like a madman. ZMA, HMB, and test booster. Question: should I drop creatine at any point? I've read that starting it back up again during PCT is good for keeping gains?
Then do pro anabolic kit- as directed
PCT add a natty test boost...
Is that too much test boosting?
jjmath said:I'm gonna start pro anabolic kit. Should I start it pre workout Monday morning or off day Sunday to assess tolerance?
jjmath said:Awesome. Thanks for the answers. I'm pumped
CopyCat said:Good to hear man and sorry for not replying sooner. Somehow missed it. I've been using my phone mostly lately and it seems easier to miss things on here.
jjmath said:No worries. Thanks for the answers. One more question: do I take the deca and the 4-ad at the same time or space them out?
CopyCat said:Space them out. About an hour will be fine.
jjmath said:Okay,sorry, which one first? I train at 6:00 AM ( get up at 5:30 for meal and supps)
Either one. I always took the deca first. In fact the over all order I always took 1 andro first, then deca and then the 4ad. So that's the preference of order for me. The hierarchy if you will.
tattoopierced1 said:I took them in that order as well.
what he saidJust skip it and resume as normal.
tattoopierced1 said:Just skip it and resume as normal.
jjmath said:Hey guys. I've heard about "drying out" on this product. Does that refer to water weight or is it this intense dry sinus feeling I have. I swear there's a fire in my nose!
CopyCat said:Usually when people in here say drying out or the sorts they usually mean water weight.
You may need to increase your fluid intake if you feel your sinuses are too dry. It may also be just the weather and dry air in your area. Hard to gauge.
So, I'm three days into the PCT. I gained a solid 6lbs. I don't think I got any leaner, but I definitely did not add any fat. I am quite happy with the results.
I am thinking I would like to do it again, but with something much stronger.
What would you recommend, and how long should I wait?
jjmath said:No royd, pro anabolic kit