2 DAYS ON RECREATE/PWFULL/AP-feeling like an alpha FE-MALE !!!

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Steveoph said:
Oooh the temptations :D Looks delicious! Keep up the great work, the pics definitely show the progress ! You've got the right goals in mind :head:
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:thumbsup: and that is only what I keep at work, what I keep at home wouldn't fit in 10 pics! :lol:

Australian made said:
Ding dong! nice legs there DF, very impressive. you have bigger calves then Jakell!
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HAHA, if you say so mate !

snagency said:
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Wow, no calf raises for the Dragon? Very impressive indeed.
Proportion is excellent.
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Jumping ATG DB squats :hammer:
 
^^ That is an understatement Snag ! :lol:



DAY 142

* Fedex Australia couldn’t find my new address :wtf1: so I had to pick up the goodies from NP myself.
* Ride to the airport 45min.
* Ride back. 45min + 4.5lb of “drugs” in my backpack :lol:



DAY 143


* The only thing that is constant is change Invalid Link Removed

* I’ve made some great progress in the last couple of weeks doing all MAX OT stuff. However, these kind of workouts are extremely draining and exhausting, Invalid Link Removed not only on muscles and joints but also on the CNS and hence, should NOT be run for an extended period of time. Invalid Link Removed

* I’ve been also running these routines + long cardio sessions (3x/week) in a caloric deficit and semi-keto manner (having carbs only post weight training but not at all on cardio days , other than Invalid Link Removed

* Note: all training has been done in a fasted/semi fasted format + megadosing BCAAs intra&post workout)

* So, I think it is time for some decent recovery & re-feeding strategies in order to:

a) prevent strength losses
b) prevent the thyroid from shutting down
c) keep the fat loss going ​



TRAINING CHANGES

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* I’ll bring back some hypertrophy routines, circuit training & pliometrics.
*The sessions will be somewhat in my comfort zone :dance:– that is in fact the whole purpose of active recovery. :thumbsup:

* I will run this format until the 4th of February and after that I will have the final two weeks of this log reserved for something VERY SPECIAL ;)



SUPPLEMENT CHANGES


* I’m dropping all stimulants and Prime&PwFULL. :eek:

* I’m noticing some side effects from high dosing of Prime. I think my daily doses of Resveratrol haven’t been keeping the aromatase at bay. The sides are: bloating, water retention but by far the most annoying one has to do with the increased frequency of my periods. NOT GOOD ! Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed

* So basically, at the moment (as of two days ago), I’ve bumped up my Invalid Link Removed-Estrogen arsenal to :

1) Resveratrol (using IBE REVERSE, 3x/day)
2) indol-3-carbinol & flaxseed (as in flaxseed meal and flaxseed tablets, 1x/day, 50mg secoisolariciresinol diglucoside SDG – what a HORRIBLE word :lol:)​

* For those of you who are unfamiliar with SDGs, they are metabolized to enterolactones by intestinal bacteria. These compounds have strong anti-cancer, anti-oxidant, anti-aromatase and anti-estrogenic properties.

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* I am also supplementing with a Detox stack to assist the liver in breaking down excess estrogen and whatever other crap it needs to break down:

1) Now Liver Detoxifier & Regenerator (3x/day)
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2) Spirulina/Chlorella powder 10g/day​

* Finally, to prevent post-stimulant crash crisis Invalid Link Removed I’m stacking various adaptogens:

1) RESET AD (Palo Alto) 2-3x/day
2) Rhodiola Rosea (Biotest) 2x/day
3) Ashwagandha (Now) 2x/day​

* Once I’m back on Prime&PwFULL I will run them at lower doses with mandatory off days and I will add another AI to the existing ANTI Invalid Link Removed -estrogen stack


* After a :rant: PM of mine, Irish came to rescue and suggested using Trione as an AI and the only thing available here from what I’ve found out so far is 6-OXO by ErgoPharm. Is that OK ?

* You all know how much I :love: the Prime&PwFULL combo but I yet need to find my sweet spot.

* What else…. Ah, YES! :



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* I’m converting to moderately high carbs again. Invalid Link Removed

* With AP/P-slin that should only work to my advantage. In short, YES, JKP, Snag & Irish, I SURRENDER!!!!!!!!! :p
* However, I’m ONLY UPPING CARBS on :clean: days, NOT on :run: / Invalid Link Removed days!

* In essence,

WEIGHT TRAINING DAYS:

* 1st meal of the day will include complex (oats) + simple carbs (grapefruit, berries, apples) instead of blasphemous :fool2: amounts of nuts :lol: Planning ~80g carbs + 200mg P-slin

* Pre/Intra workout - my staples:
20g BCAA
15g glutamine
10g Poseidon
10g BA
5g ALCAR
1AP


+ new additions:
3 scoops (8.3g) Controlled Labs GlycerGrow
20g Dextrose / 5g Creatine / 1,5g Taurine/ 0.5g HMB


* Immediately Post WO
20g BCAA
15g glutamine

* 30min after
Same as 1st meal​


* So in total, there should be roughly 180g of carbs (1.5g/lb BW) , on lifting days (as opposed to ~100g which is what I’ve been doing until now). If no damage :donut: is observed, I’ll be upping intraworkout carbs (ideally to get a total of 2g/lb BW).


REST/CARDIO DAYS

* Same as before-high protein, high fat, only fibrous carbs to keep the fat MELTING Invalid Link Removed

* Any further suggestions/comments are welcomed :)
 
Everything looks great! I hope the it's "the change you need" :lol: - 6-OXO is fine. Try taking the minimum recommended dosage (I believe it's three caps) before you go to bed.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Everything looks great! I hope the it's "the change you need" :lol: - 6-OXO is fine. Try taking the minimum recommended dosage (I believe it's three caps) before you go to bed.
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Thanks, I will TRY! :p

Australian made said:
In regards to the Trione, can you not get it in bulk from nutra? im too lasy to check. 6oxo aint cheap, just like all ergopharm products.
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I don't want to check Aussie because if I do, I'll end up spending another $500 picking other stuff along :fool2: just to justify the cost of shipping ! :o
 
dragonfly said:
I’m noticing some side effects from high dosing of Prime...The sides are: bloating, water retention but by far the most annoying one has to do with the increased frequency of my periods. NOT GOOD !
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Hmm.. I've not noticed this side myself..
Err, wait, uh.. :p Interesting. Since I don't know too many females using Prime, that's a new bit of info for me..
1st meal of the day will include complex (oats) + simple carbs (grapefruit, berries, apples) instead of blasphemous :fool2: amounts of nuts :lol: Planning ~80g carbs + 200mg P-slin

* Pre/Intra workout - my staples:
20g BCAA
15g glutamine
10g Poseidon
10g BA
5g ALCAR
1AP


+ new additions:
3 scoops (8.3g) Controlled Labs GlycerGrow
20g Dextrose / 5g Creatine / 1,5g Taurine/ 0.5g HMB


* Immediately Post WO
20g BCAA
15g glutamine

* 30min after
Same as 1st meal


* So in total, there should be roughly 180g of carbs (1.5g/lb BW) [/B], on lifting days (as opposed to ~100g which is what I’ve been doing until now). If no damage :donut: is observed, I’ll be upping intraworkout carbs (ideally to get a total of 2g/lb BW).
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You know I like this!! :fing02:
Extremely well-planned layout. I really think the intra w/o carbs will do you justice as well. Combined with the changes you're making in your training.. I'm excited for you! Bring it on!
 
snagency said:
Hmm.. I've not noticed this side myself..
Err, wait, uh.. :p Interesting. Since I don't know too many females using Prime, that's a new bit of info for me..
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I'm unsure of whether it's Prime-related, or something else, but it is interesting. Does Prime greatly boost test-levels? I'd imagine it has to be related to something that causes test to rise, which would lead to aromatization, and then estrogen related side-effects.

In regards to bulk trione, NP hasn't offered the bulk for quite some time, but they do have the caps. As you said Dfly, the cost of shipping would basically make NP's Trione the same price, if not more than 6-OXO...I'd say continue using 6-OXO until you need to make an NP order, then get some NP Trione caps if they're in stock.
 
Prime has no impact on test levels. Now, being a form of Trib however, might logically increase LH levels.. I haven't seen the data in this regard. Possibly the PowerFULL?
 
snagency said:
I added on before you replied IC.. :p
What do you think about the PowerFULL being the cause?
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Well, the PF most definitely increases LH, increasing T, increasing the process of aromatization. It COULD be a combination of a few things, and I don't know quite everything Dr.Fly is taking, so I'm not sure...and, we can't rule out training. Max-OT leads to increased T and GH levels probably more than any type of training!
 
Irish Cannon said:
Everything looks great! I hope the it's "the change you need" :lol: - 6-OXO is fine. Try taking the minimum recommended dosage (I believe it's three caps) before you go to bed.
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I'm not too sure about that dosage - you want to suppress estrogen - not kill it.

I am running DTHC - the advice I got for trione/6-oxo was one cap 3x a week - but that is for a male....

...and by the way Prime is not a test booster apparently...

like the layout too DF - very methodical and well-thought out :thumbsup:
 
jakellpet said:
I'm not too sure about that dosage - you want to suppress estrogen - not kill it.

I am running DTHC - the advice I got for trione/6-oxo was one cap 3x a week - but that is for a male....

...and by the way Prime is not a test booster apparently...

like the layout too DF - very methodical and well-thought out :thumbsup:
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One cap of Trione?!!! Nooooooo way. Trione is very mild. ATD on the other hand, 1 cap 3x weekly sounds just right for mild estrogen suppression. I think someone is a little confused...perhaps those at Get Diesel.

Maybe Dfly could drop it down to 2caps every night, 5 on 1 off...That sounds good.
 
Actually, I'm glad you brought this up JKP. I should write a more clear format for Dfly...

Week 1
3/3/3/2/2/0/0

Week 2
2/2/2/1/1/0/0

Week 3
2/1/1/1/1/0/0

Week 4
1/0/1/0/1/0/0

There ya go! That sounds solid and safe!
 
Irish Cannon said:
One cap of Trione?!!! Nooooooo way. Trione is very mild. ATD on the other hand, 1 cap 3x weekly sounds just right for mild estrogen suppression. I think someone is a little confused...perhaps those at Get Diesel.

Maybe Dfly could drop it down to 2caps every night, 5 on 1 off...That sounds good.
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I checked my notes - you are indeed correct. 1 serve = 3 caps. Thanks for that Cannons
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I need to participate way more, haha. What is the dilly-o on the PFULL questions?
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Not necessarily anything related to PF, just trying to figure out exactly why Dfly is having such strong estrogen-related effects. I feel she's right to assume it's due to high T-levels leading to aromatization, but we don't know exactly what's causing the high T. I'm assuming it's a combination of multiple things. Supplement and Training related.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Not necessarily anything related to PF, just trying to figure out exactly why Dfly is having such strong estrogen-related effects. I feel she's right to assume it's due to high T-levels leading to aromatization, but we don't know exactly what's causing the high T. I'm assuming it's a combination of multiple things. Supplement and Training related.
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Could be those beastly squats and deadlifts... or perhaps that she hasn't left the gym in three to four months.
 
snagency said:
Yeah.. she's just a testosterone-raging woman ain't she? :lol:
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:lol:

TimberLakers said:
Wait a minute... Did you "ride" to the airport in a car I hope? Or your freaking bike..?!?!
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FREAKIN' bike of course, I never make excuses not to do cardio ! :D :fool2:

jakellpet said:
I'm not too sure about that dosage - you want to suppress estrogen - not kill it.

I am running DTHC - the advice I got for trione/6-oxo was one cap 3x a week - but that is for a male....

...and by the way Prime is not a test booster apparently...

like the layout too DF - very methodical and well-thought out :thumbsup:
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I think my position in regards to Est was quite clear JKP

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:lol:

snagency said:
I added on before you replied IC.. :p
What do you think about the PowerFULL being the cause?
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Irish Cannon said:
Well, the PF most definitely increases LH, increasing T, increasing the process of aromatization. It COULD be a combination of a few things, and I don't know quite everything Dr.Fly is taking, so I'm not sure...and, we can't rule out training. Max-OT leads to increased T and GH levels probably more than any type of training!
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TimberLakers said:
Could be those beastly squats and deadlifts... or perhaps that she hasn't left the gym in three to four months.
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Irish Cannon said:
Haha. Yep. I'm pretty certain the max-ot training style has led to some of this.
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OK, to address all of the ^^

1st, I do not think it is PwFULL because I've been taking it for more than 3 months with no sides

2nd, period frequency increased only after I started with Prime (DAY 96 of this log). I'm not excluding the possibility that there is a synergy between Prime&PwFULL and that is why I decided to come off both for the time being.

3rd, in regards to training - a definite NO.
* Again, period frequency was already up before the MAX OT started
* I've been training this way for more than a year before I started this stack.
Always compound moves, always hardcore, never less than 4x/week unless I was sick. As far as I can remember, I only had two extended periods of rest, both less than a week and both related to a vomiting Invalid Link Removed that I caught. Also, in the past, all the training had done period -wise: I had NONE !!! That is not all that uncommon for female athletes.


Mulletsoldier said:
I need to participate way more, haha. What is the dilly-o on the PFULL questions?
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Yes you do ! :p :)
 
snagency said:
Hmm.. I've not noticed this side myself..
Err, wait, uh.. :p Interesting. Since I don't know too many females using Prime, that's a new bit of info for me..

You know I like this!! :fing02:
Extremely well-planned layout. I really think the intra w/o carbs will do you justice as well. Combined with the changes you're making in your training.. I'm excited for you! Bring it on!
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THANKS Snag, your stamp of approval on this means a lot to me ! :box:

Irish Cannon said:
Actually, I'm glad you brought this up JKP. I should write a more clear format for Dfly...

Week 1
3/3/3/2/2/0/0

Week 2
2/2/2/1/1/0/0

Week 3
2/1/1/1/1/0/0

Week 4
1/0/1/0/1/0/0

There ya go! That sounds solid and safe!
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Will follow as layed out Dr Cannon :thumbsup:
 
DFly - just messing with you about the squats and deadlifts...

Every once in awhile I like to weight in - so people don't think I'm just here for the hump smileys. :hump: (Even though I am...)

Honestly though, I've had some pretty active girls that I've trained with in the past - and an overactive lifestyle would make their periods less frequent and unpredictable... So yeah, I doubt that training hard has anything to do with it.

Dear self. I promise to never say period again, unless used in a punctuation context. :study: Amen.
 
TimberLakers said:
DFly - just messing with you about the squats and deadlifts...
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I know TL, but as Snag said, I'm just T-raging Invalid Link Removed...even without my pills :lol:

Every once in awhile I like to weight in - so people don't think I'm just here for the hump smileys. :hump: (Even though I am...)

Honestly though, I've had some pretty active girls that I've trained with in the past - and an overactive lifestyle would make their periods less frequent and unpredictable... So yeah, I doubt that training hard has anything to do with it.
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That is what makes the whole thing so irritating :aargh: And the truth is, I am training harder than ever before. There must be some hormone imbalance causing it for sure and because I'm guilty of overdosing stuff I think that is the most likely cause.

There is no point in shoving T-boosters if a lot of it gets converted to E. Besides, lets not forget that to every action there is a re-action. What I'm, getting at is that the body will inevitably want to get back into its "natural" balance. For a female, if you suddenly start taking T, the body will start producing more Aromatase.... because, females are not designed to be T-dominant creatures...:damnit: :sad:

Dear self. I promise to never say period again, unless used in a punctuation context. :study: Amen.
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I have only one comment to that:

snagency said:
Ahhahaaaaa, Timber..
You crack me up.
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:thumbsup:
 
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