a serm without a suicide aromatase inhibitor after a beastdrol cycle is more likely to cause rebound. During beastdrol/superdrol more often then not you are correct estrogen will be low and when coming off a rebound accrues.....
Anyone and everyone who knows how to read a study and research knows good and damn well the anabolic converstion of formastane its self is dose dependent yet they love to say that "any amount" of formastan will convert to a anabolic... they ether know they are wrong and say it anyway ( thus making them a lair, or they dont know it thus making them ignorant...
as for " must have a serm" I get sick of hearing that crap but so be it. Forma-stanzol is a serm too.
although "formastan" its self has nothing in common at all with nolva or clomid, forma-stanzol does. Nolva and clomid are serms and they block estrogen at the ER thus stopping it from having any effects on the ER.
However when on nolvadex or clomid the level of estrogen in your body does not go down but rather it goes up!!!!. You see, Nolvadex only blocks estrogen that's already in your body but it does not in anyway effect test from converting to estrogen. In fact by stopping the estrogen from entering the ER it causes your body to create both more testosterone AND ESTROGEN :biggrin::biggrin: let no one ever forget this. Your bodies level of estrogen goes up well taking nolvadex or clomid not down and anyone who has read a study or two and has been around a wile knows this. This is why it is very very very common for nolvadex and or clomid to cause what is known as "rebound gyno" if you use these product for pct with out a Ai or even better a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" (which is what forma-stanzol is)
Estrogen going up during pct is not a good thing and only fools will try to push the msg that it is....
Now as you can see formastane its self and nolvadex/clomid are worlds apart. From here on throughout my explanation I will be speaking only about forma-stanzol as I feel it is the far superior compound because it has both formastane (suicide aromatase inhibition as well as progesterone reducing effects) and phytoserms (Invalid Link Removed) effects. On top of this it also has many other necessary effects for any prospective steroids user.
One Forma-stanzol's many characteristics is whats know as a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" of aromatase. This means that Forma-stanzol binds to the aromatase enzyme in a permanent and irreversible manner, rendering it inactive. The result of this is an eventual diminishment of aromatase enzyme in the body and a concurrent reduction in estrogen levels. A corresponding increase in testosterone production is usually experienced as well
It is important to note here that this deactivation of aromatase enzymes by forma-stanzol does not mean that your body becomes permanently deficient in the ability to synthesize estrogen. Your body will react to the deficiency of enzyme by producing more enzyme to replace that which has been deactivated. Therefore, when you stop taking Forma-stanzol your aromatase enzyme level will quickly catch up to normal and full estrogen production will resume.
Now Another important attribute to forma-stanzol is of course its phytoserm effects. Serm/phytoserm effects are important for pct because of there binding to the estrogen receptors, thus inhibiting estrogenic activity only at the ER. This causes a increase to LH & FSH levels, which in turn stimulates testosterone production. The important thing to remember here is although both nolvadex and clomid will do this they do it at a price! not only does the level of estrogen keep going up well taking them (unlike with forma-stanzol) but they can also be harmful in many other ways ( read post 6 in this thread to learn more about this. Invalid Link Removed). This is why phytoserm's "medically and clinically" excepted natural serms are better. Combined with other compounds like the ones in forma-stanzol they are a much more effect form of pct or on cycle estrogen and progesterone control.
Furthermore forma-stanzols 7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex.7,8 Benzoflavone also has a positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effect having natural anti-anxiety properties, 7,8-benzoflavone my help improve general self-confidence and well being. But Forma-stansols posative effects on libido dosn't end there. As any well versed steroid user knows lowering progesterone can also have a very positive and profound effects on sex drive.
Forma-stanzol unlike any other Ai or serm also has anabolic effects and coverts to a anabolic at a "dose dependent rate". In other words when used at the higher end of dosing ( 10 pumps twice a day) after a week it starts to covert somewhat to a anabolic compound and adds gains to your cycle. Still when used at the lower end or pct stile dosing protocol ( 5 pumps twice a day) there is no worries about suppression because its anabolic conversion is again " dose dependent" and only happens at higher doses taken for longer periods of time. How Amazing is that? I dont know any Ai's out there that can clam this nor do I know one single Ai that also lowers progesterone too!
Because of the formatane and now added compounds in forma-stanzol Its anabolic/androgen effects are similar to that of the steroid primobolan Depot ( but only when used at higher doses for longer periods of time).even at the lower dosing It increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%,and increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of hcg and Clomid!
All of this is backed up by " human" studies. Yes Real human studies don by well known Universities and agencies. Because for the longest time Lentaron I.M. Depot® was a proscription drug . This was not a drug that got scrapped because it did not work or because other drugs worked better. No this drug lost favor because many years ago the only way to use the drug was through injections. But because of the advancements in Trans dermal delivery Lentaron I.M. Depot® is back. With the help of NTBM and MRsupps.com its more powerful then ever.
forma-stanzol is a synergistic blend of supporting components making forma-stanzol a Highbred on cycle estrogen/progesterone control and pct drug.
Is beastdrol the best first time cycle ? Prob not but its not the worst ether. Might want to start with something like epi-strong or helladrol for a first cycle.
Okay, where to begin? You're going to have to educate me here, because this doesn't make sense.
1. Does Forma-Stanozolol not contain Winstrol? If not, why is Stanozolol listed in the name; Sounds a little misleading. If it is, then this also holds true (Quoted from WikiPedia, but also found anywhere else on the internet): "Stanozolol, commonly sold under the name Winstrol (oral) and Winstrol Depot (intramuscular), was developed by Winthrop Laboratories in 1962. It is a
synthetic anabolic steroid derived from testosterone, and has been approved by the FDA for human use". Sounds like taking a steroid to me.
2. Also according to WikiPedia: [Formestane] also acts as a prohormone to 4-hydroxytestosterone, an active steroid which displays weak androgenic activity in addition to acting as a mild aromatase inhibitor." Formestane is anabolic at a certain dose, you are correct. It's NOT HARD to hit that dose, and it is suppressive at that dose, since it converts to 4-Hydroxy-Testosterone. I have not seen a study that shows what that dose is (definitively). Will you return to normal. Sure! Will it slow you're return to homeostasis? Yep!
3. Of course estrogen is going to go up using a SERM! Guess what! Estrogen is going to go up eventually anyways (Can't use Forma-Stanozolol forever)!!! Now, would you rather have estrogen slowly rise in a controlled environment (I.E. using a SERM), thus preventing gyno and returning to homeostasis, OR, would you rather raise test to higher-than-normal levels, with less-than-normal estrogen, and then have the excess test suddenly aromatize to estrogen (sounds like a definite rebound to me) after discontinuing Forma-Stanozolol? I'd prefer the controlled environment, rather than have all that happen AFTER PCT!
4. If Formestane has nothing in common with a SERM (which it doesn't), then adding an anabolic steroid to it probably won't help much either. If you want to add all that to your PCT, and then rely on a Phytoserm (which I know nothing about-the only research I've found is that they are effective for menopause, osteopenia, and osteoporosis-nothing about being selective to breast tissue), go right ahead. But there's a reason traditional SERMs are used 99% of the time in medicine (if not 100%), and not Phytoserms. Do they have their applications? Maybe (I don't know too much about them), but PCT is too important (for me anyways) to trust to a mysterious Phytoserm, especially in the presence of TWO steroidal components.
5. Running Forma-Stanozolol for PCT is like extending your cycle longer (albeit with weaker steroids), and adding in a phytoserm. Not sure how effective that will be (probably will help you keep some gains), and you very well may recover safely (I doubt it's more effective at recovery than a SERM), but it WILL extend your time until homeostasis is reached.
6. SERMs are not always necessary. However, if/when you grow man-boobs, pretty sure you're gonna wish you had one, and you will DEFINITELY regret not listening to almost EVERYBODY else with experience telling you to use one! They also have human trials, and they have been around for a LONG time. I have NOTHING to gain by suggesting a SERM. Can you say the same for Forma-Stanozolol?
7. I don't know what else to say. Forma-Stanozolol = 2 weak steroids w/ a PhytoSERM, that by definition stops you from returning to homeostasis (lowers estrogen to below-baseline levels). And, estrogen IS good to a certain extent. The sooner you can get it back to normal, the sooner your HDL/LDL cholesterol will go back to normal, which is important. Crushing estrogen from the get go with an AI, jacking test above normal levels, and adding in a steroid (Winstrol) does not help! AND, since I know how much you like studies, here's one for you showing the BAD effects of Stanozolol (Winstrol) on HDL/LDL ratios, among other things:
Invalid Link Removed. Add that to Formestane, which crushes estrogen, inhibits 5-AR (thus lowering DHT which would normally inhibit estrogen activity at tissues), and at higher doses, converts to 4-hydroxytest, further hurting your cholesterol levels.
8. Maybe I didn't change any minds here, and I am definitely NOT an expert. However, I have been researching for a LONG time, and this is the fruits of my researching. Maybe I'm wrong, and if so, I would definitely prefer to be corrected PROFESSIONALLY! I do have an open mind, but when you come on here and accuse me of either being a "lair" or ignorant, I do take offense, hence the overall tone of this post. I have defended you previously in other threads (you probably know which one I'm talking about-I even said I wanted to use that product, by the way...), but I really do NOT appreciate you coming at me like this. Educate me or don't, but don't be an *******. It's not necessary/professional/appropriate.
--Brian
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Sorry for the long post. I would NEVER post anything this long unless I STRONGLY disagreed with the information being presented.
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