The horseman are next...
I assume you don't watch MMA? Note, I said MMA and not UFC.What horsemen, may I ask?
Fedor losing is the first sign that the 2012 sh!t is REAL.The horseman are next...
I too wanted to see Overeem-Fedor.You all will think I'm b.s.'ing if I said that called this to my friends an hour before the fight. I've been feeling it since this fight was announced. I'm glad that now people will, hopefully, shut up about him being the best P4P and whatnot but also sad because I wanted to see Overeem smash him before coming to the UFC.
EDIT: Behold! A pale horse! Is that Pestilence?
Gullible.....just like Fedor GOAT. Hope you are kidding or maybe just a kid.Fedor losing is the first sign that the 2012 sh!t is REAL.
I was totally speechless after this fight.........end times are near.
You realize that Werdum is a world-class BJJ artist, right? Or that Overeem is a K1-level kickboxer, Lesnar a D-1 champ, etc.?I always said that Fedor is a talented fighter simply with the best record not the GOAT. Reason being he hasn't fought enough world class opponents. Even though some were once great or great in a single dicipline and world class heavyweights are no longer Coleman, Nogeira, Cro Crop. The sport has evolved far beyond these fighters. Against world class opponents,,,a fighters mistakes and weaknesses get capitalized on.....like Fedor leaving his arm exposed for too long.
How long do you think his record would remain spotless if he were continuously exposed to the like of Overeem, Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, Dos Sontos? Could he beat some of them.....possibly. But not all of them.
Did you notice I was replying to a quote that was obviously sarcasm?(four horseman?)Gullible.....just like Fedor GOAT. Hope you are kidding or maybe just a kid.
fedor didnt drop him the werdum sat back.wow, dropped him early just got too aggressive trying to finish and caught in a triangle...
for anyone who didnt see it
YouTube- Fedor Emelianenko vs Fabricio Werdum Strikeforce M1 Full Fight Video
Watch the fight again. Fedor's head was beat red from the triangle.It was bound to happen at some point. He did not get his ass dropped, though. He simply left himself exposed for a few extra hammer fists. I think Fedor would destroy the guy given a second match.
Sorry I did not make my post clear.You realize that Werdum is a world-class BJJ artist, right? Or that Overeem is a K1-level kickboxer, Lesnar a D-1 champ, etc.?
You really should evaluate your statement before posting it.
How does everyone disregard the beatings of Nog (at his peak), Herring (at his peak), CC (at his peak), etc?Sorry I did not make my post clear.
I am simply saying to be the GOAT is not simply having the cleanest record. It is fighting all the best when they are at their peak. Simply put it's usually FIGHTING THE FIGHTS THE FANS WANT TO SEE, win or lose regardless of pay structure or contracts.
Fedor's best fights are ahead of him. I would love to see the UFC quickly re sign Werdum and sign Overeem and inevitably Fedor. This would be a stacked HW division. This would bring some of best fights we have ever seen.
I am no Dana White fan, but Fedor's management is just as much to blame for this as DW. In fact, imo probably more. Why in the world should hte UFC co-promote for Fedor and M-1? It would be a foolish business move.How does everyone disregard the beatings of Nog (at his peak), Herring (at his peak), CC (at his peak), etc?
Why should it matter in which organization the fights occur? Bottom line: Fedor hates Dana White's business tactics and that will prevent him from ever fighting under the UFC banner. His recent strongarm tactics against Tapout to terminate their endorsement of Fedor only widened the chasm.
To proclaim to be the GREATEST you have to prove you are the GREATEST by fighting EVERYONE WORTHY!How does everyone disregard the beatings of Nog (at his peak), Herring (at his peak), CC (at his peak), etc?
Why should it matter in which organization the fights occur? Bottom line: Fedor hates Dana White's business tactics and that will prevent him from ever fighting under the UFC banner. His recent strongarm tactics against Tapout to terminate their endorsement of Fedor only widened the chasm.
I'll put it another way then. Since 2003, when Fedor beat Nog, there has been a calling to see him fight the top UFC HWs. From Sylvia to Mir to AA to Couture and now Lesnar, there has always been curiosity to see what would happen. The thing that has remained the same is that it's always about Fedor. The others have fallen to some degree, but Fedor stayed on top.To proclaim to be the GREATEST you have to prove you are the GREATEST by fighting EVERYONE WORTHY!
Looking after your own best best interests is another thing all together and the two do not mix.
What happens if he fights Cain, Dosantos, Carwin, Lesnar, Overeem and loses to several or all of them? Is he then the GOAT?
Just so happens most of the competent HW's are in the UFC.
GOAT recognition does not come with limitations like, I don't like their contracts, I want to be able to choose my fights, etc It is GOAT for god's sakes and to be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME one must fight simply to be the GREATEST without conditions.
He did just that to Big Nog - twice. This loss was, in my opinion, a combination of overconfidence and complacency on Fedor's part.this fight broke my heart. fell into a triangle like a newb...im certain the strategy was to keep it on the feet and KO werdum. you cant recklessly GnP a world class jits artist
Exactly... He had a little flurry where he landed a glancing punch to the breadbasket... one to the head... Werdrum wasn't nearly as dazed as Fedor thought... Fedor attacked with full abandon, and fell straight into Werdrum's guard.He did just that to Big Nog - twice. This loss was, in my opinion, a combination of overconfidence and complacency on Fedor's part.
While I can't agree that Overeem would "smash" him , you are def not alone in picking Werdum . I was able to win back part of the money I lost on the Arlovski/Fedor fight . I can't get into the whole P4P arguement because it is based on "what if they were all the same weight class" mentalilty and the truth is that they arent and never will be so I don't sweat the imaginary .Still think he is one of the best fighters ever but he was bested on Sat . Mad props to Fabricio for manning up and meeting the challenge .You all will think I'm b.s.'ing if I said that called this to my friends an hour before the fight. I've been feeling it since this fight was announced. I'm glad that now people will, hopefully, shut up about him being the best P4P and whatnot but also sad because I wanted to see Overeem smash him before coming to the UFC.
EDIT: Behold! A pale horse! Is that Pestilence?
Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...lol i love how he gave it just one solemn tap
And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,
"Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.
“It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fedor-I-Made-a-Mistake-25350
I agree...he sets the example of how a true fighter should be.And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .
Classy.Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,
"Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.
“It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fedor-I-Made-a-Mistake-25350
Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...
No no... quite the opposite. Seriously could read so much from that tap - dissapointment, disbelief, sadness, reluctance, etc...was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.
Whoa there Mullet....apparently if you dont "do mma" you have no credibility on this topic. (wtf?)I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.
There's quite a few credible guys in here... You don't necessarily need to fight to have a solid opinion on the matter.rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).