Hey guys,
I finally think I decided on a stack outside the realm of natty supplements and wanted your opinions. This is going to be a fairly long post as I will be giving some background information.
I’ve posted a few times with questions about hormonal supplements and potential stacks but never pulled the trigger. Last spring, I used Evomuse Androlotion and stepped outside the natty realm. Through my research and talking to forum members, it seemed like a no brainer to use it....localized effect with no side effects. I added it in at the tail end of my cut and throughly enjoyed it. Then that June after more and more research and conversation I decided to try something mild for a little edge. I ran stanoplex for 8 weeks and really enjoyed that. During the summer, I lift hard but my diet takes a hit. I try to keep my weight down the best I can while enjoying myself at the same time. Plenty of bbqs, eating out, drinks, etc. Despite all that, I still had pretty good results but had I used it during my cut when my diet was insanely tight and cardio game was strong, it really would have shined.
I basically had no negative effects outside of some joint pain forwards the last few weeks. A lot of that was also due to the fact of was running Arnold’s Blueprint to Mass program as I wanted something really intense to justify my cycle and reap everything I could. I was adding intensity each session whether it was weight increase, reps, less rest time, etc. The insane number of sets (Arm day was in the mid 70s), frequency (6 days a week) and intensity definitely took its toll.
I decided on an OTC pct and it went great. No bloodwork to prove anything though. Libido was excellent through the run and throughout my pct and after. Strong like usual (I am 33 years old by the way). Pct was Mtest, PCT Assist, reduce xt, inhibit e, inhibit p, Anabolic Effect, and Annacylus XT. My pct turned into a 16 week natty stack which also went excellent. I also used Cel Cycle Assist as my on cycle support. I almost didn’t cause of saw palmetto and the fact epiandro relies on DHT. Steve from SNS and some other members didn’t think it would be an issue. What are your thoughts going forward?
So after months of researching and debating what to try next, I think I decided. Originally I wanted to run the andros but decided to pass for now. I usually like trying one thing at a time but it seemed like they all had a synergy and should be run together. For instance just trying 1 Andro would lead to lethargy so 4 Andro should be ran with it. But then 4 andro has its potential sides to worry about. So I scrapped that for now and took a more mild route.
I will be running this during my cut in the spring so 11kt (ultra 11) seemed like a solid choice. Having already run epiandro I wanted to add that in as well. Although I loved stanoplex, I wanted to try Ultra Hard to experiment with a topical and also because of the R Andro which is supposed to work well with the epi. I think I will purchase a bottle of stanoplex as well because I liked the pre workout dosing along with the Vaso 6 and because people also dose Epiandro higher than 600 mgs sometimes I figured it would be a good option. Finally, I wanted to add dermacrine as a test base of sorts. I’ve been looking at this product for years but never tried it and it seems like it would fit well. My only issue is I’ll be introducing a few new compounds at once so it will be harder to pinpoint what’s doing what.
As far as pct, I know the forum is all about a real serm. Some other highly ranked members also said an OTC pct would suffice. All these compounds are mild so I haven’t made my mind up yet. I have 2 bottles of the new Kings Pct which is supposed to be a natural serm with some other goodies. If I were to use Clomid, would I start my otc pct at the same time or after? OTC pct is going to include a lot of things and also transition into a natty stack. Haven’t decided on the exact layout or which products but they will be pulled from this list: Kings Pct, anabolic effect, anacylus xt, mtest, inhibit e or virtus, pct assist, optimize t, trueshred, inhibit p and other potential natty anabolics SNS comes out with. Again to reiterate, not using ALL of that, just some sort of combination. I definitely wanna use anabolic effect again but the Korean Mistletoe overlaps with kings pct. I also have quite a few bottles of Androlotion and I know people have used that during pct because it’s localized. However, I’m pretty sure with any localized topical there is some spillover so I wouldn’t want to risk that I don’t think.....I just loved the way it helped melt fat on my stomach. Which leads me to another question....when using a cycle during a cut, what do you do calorie was in pct? I know in a standard bulking cycle, you’d want to keep your calories higher to hold on to as much muscle as possible, but during a cut I guess there would almost have to be a perfect balance as to not lose muscle but also not get fat in the process. I don’t think it matters as much with the cycle I laid out as it seems they are more suited for cutting, hardening to begin with.
So the cycle would be 8 weeks followed by a pct and 16 week natty stack. I know that was a lot to read but I’m pretty sure I included everything I wanted to say. Appreciate anyone who reads the whole thing and anyone who replies with their input, suggestions, and feedback. Thanks!
I finally think I decided on a stack outside the realm of natty supplements and wanted your opinions. This is going to be a fairly long post as I will be giving some background information.
I’ve posted a few times with questions about hormonal supplements and potential stacks but never pulled the trigger. Last spring, I used Evomuse Androlotion and stepped outside the natty realm. Through my research and talking to forum members, it seemed like a no brainer to use it....localized effect with no side effects. I added it in at the tail end of my cut and throughly enjoyed it. Then that June after more and more research and conversation I decided to try something mild for a little edge. I ran stanoplex for 8 weeks and really enjoyed that. During the summer, I lift hard but my diet takes a hit. I try to keep my weight down the best I can while enjoying myself at the same time. Plenty of bbqs, eating out, drinks, etc. Despite all that, I still had pretty good results but had I used it during my cut when my diet was insanely tight and cardio game was strong, it really would have shined.
I basically had no negative effects outside of some joint pain forwards the last few weeks. A lot of that was also due to the fact of was running Arnold’s Blueprint to Mass program as I wanted something really intense to justify my cycle and reap everything I could. I was adding intensity each session whether it was weight increase, reps, less rest time, etc. The insane number of sets (Arm day was in the mid 70s), frequency (6 days a week) and intensity definitely took its toll.
I decided on an OTC pct and it went great. No bloodwork to prove anything though. Libido was excellent through the run and throughout my pct and after. Strong like usual (I am 33 years old by the way). Pct was Mtest, PCT Assist, reduce xt, inhibit e, inhibit p, Anabolic Effect, and Annacylus XT. My pct turned into a 16 week natty stack which also went excellent. I also used Cel Cycle Assist as my on cycle support. I almost didn’t cause of saw palmetto and the fact epiandro relies on DHT. Steve from SNS and some other members didn’t think it would be an issue. What are your thoughts going forward?
So after months of researching and debating what to try next, I think I decided. Originally I wanted to run the andros but decided to pass for now. I usually like trying one thing at a time but it seemed like they all had a synergy and should be run together. For instance just trying 1 Andro would lead to lethargy so 4 Andro should be ran with it. But then 4 andro has its potential sides to worry about. So I scrapped that for now and took a more mild route.
I will be running this during my cut in the spring so 11kt (ultra 11) seemed like a solid choice. Having already run epiandro I wanted to add that in as well. Although I loved stanoplex, I wanted to try Ultra Hard to experiment with a topical and also because of the R Andro which is supposed to work well with the epi. I think I will purchase a bottle of stanoplex as well because I liked the pre workout dosing along with the Vaso 6 and because people also dose Epiandro higher than 600 mgs sometimes I figured it would be a good option. Finally, I wanted to add dermacrine as a test base of sorts. I’ve been looking at this product for years but never tried it and it seems like it would fit well. My only issue is I’ll be introducing a few new compounds at once so it will be harder to pinpoint what’s doing what.
As far as pct, I know the forum is all about a real serm. Some other highly ranked members also said an OTC pct would suffice. All these compounds are mild so I haven’t made my mind up yet. I have 2 bottles of the new Kings Pct which is supposed to be a natural serm with some other goodies. If I were to use Clomid, would I start my otc pct at the same time or after? OTC pct is going to include a lot of things and also transition into a natty stack. Haven’t decided on the exact layout or which products but they will be pulled from this list: Kings Pct, anabolic effect, anacylus xt, mtest, inhibit e or virtus, pct assist, optimize t, trueshred, inhibit p and other potential natty anabolics SNS comes out with. Again to reiterate, not using ALL of that, just some sort of combination. I definitely wanna use anabolic effect again but the Korean Mistletoe overlaps with kings pct. I also have quite a few bottles of Androlotion and I know people have used that during pct because it’s localized. However, I’m pretty sure with any localized topical there is some spillover so I wouldn’t want to risk that I don’t think.....I just loved the way it helped melt fat on my stomach. Which leads me to another question....when using a cycle during a cut, what do you do calorie was in pct? I know in a standard bulking cycle, you’d want to keep your calories higher to hold on to as much muscle as possible, but during a cut I guess there would almost have to be a perfect balance as to not lose muscle but also not get fat in the process. I don’t think it matters as much with the cycle I laid out as it seems they are more suited for cutting, hardening to begin with.
So the cycle would be 8 weeks followed by a pct and 16 week natty stack. I know that was a lot to read but I’m pretty sure I included everything I wanted to say. Appreciate anyone who reads the whole thing and anyone who replies with their input, suggestions, and feedback. Thanks!