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glenihan said:
beelze is a simple man with an even simplier mind .. can't have too many obligations at once .. you should see the cat try to walk and chew gum at the same time ... its a fucking riot!
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What? He's finally learnt to do it? Way to go Beelze! :)
 
So when its all said and done what do you want? I've had people PM me and tell me they want me to delete threads. I've had people PM me and tell me they want sections created.

Do we want a specified nutrition forum? The more people you get out of here the more I would like it to be honest. I don't want this to be a "steroid" board or full of people who are popping pills left and right. I think I've made that clear over the years.

At this point we have stickies, we have dedicated forums for cutting and bulking (after sepoerating the more general nutrition section). The forums are there but I can't force people to read them. If I could force people to fix their diets I would. Hell its one of the reaosn why I tell people not to start any of my programs with anything or any supplements. Leanr how to do it the right way..which often the most boring and bland way but at least you KNOW you can do it without anything. Once that is drilled into your head then you can go on tweak things out and get better results and use the things you want to use.
 
I think in general society has a miracle pill for everything. Why is a young adult guilty of ignorant use of PH when their parents at home take lipitor for high colesterol while they eat extra buttered popcorn on the couch. Hollywood has one of the most powerful effect on influential minds, all this is a world of botox, colonics, plastic surgery and last but not least designer eating disorders. Has anyone noticed how drug use in general has changed. Kids dont just smoke pot and munch out, or use AAS, crystal meth is disturbing, excstacy is widely used, and binge drinking is the norm. I am the only person in my family who knows about any sort of supplements, i continually try to educate my family but they seem so sceptical of supplements because of the medias perception of sports supplemnts. I think the coverage by the governments in north america is lacking to say the least and definetely inadequate. They IMO have managed to scare away people from supplements and opened up a new door for kids looking for something to get on. There has always been influential children looking to do whatever is inthe media, smoking proves it everyday. If an actor did juice in a movie think of how that made you feel, the music was all tense like you know its wrong and its goona catch up to him soon enough. But when someones smoking its pure exstacy and they love every second of it, so its implied that its ok and COOL people smoke. I think our perspective as people loooking to learn about our bodies and tap in to the fountain of physical youth is gracious with pure intent of correcting the problems started somewhere else. Once they get here atleast they have a chance at making informed decisions. The problem IMO is not this forum and its advice or number of posts in any section its everyday life and this is a lifeline for someone swiming through the sewer of life. Dont scorn idiots, newbs or kids dont push them away, offer help. Weve all been young, uninformed, or out classed, but we never want to feel stupid isolated or small. AM helping to fix everyones problems one post at a time. I think this place is a beacon of hope that people will take accountablility for thier lives, health, and uniformed opinions. I personally believe every aspect of the forum is useful and has its own purpose. The library of knowlegde is growing and with that comes some errors that are part of life. "in life we make mistakes, those of us who find true success learn not to make the same mistakes over and over again." Me
 
Is it possible to set a control on who can post in the anabolics/cycle section? Something based on time on board or posts.

I like the idea of expanding the nutrition section. Maybe open up that sticky on the Fat Loss section to show what is actually contained inside, its actually a treasure chest of info probably overlooked by the hasty.
"Pre-& Post Workout Nutrition" , "Diet & Cycle Planning".....
 
I like the idea of opening up a general "nutrition" section also. There's "Fat loss", "contest prep", "bulking" and "recipes". What if I want to learn to just eat right? That's not bulking nor fat loss... Y'know? To tell you the truth, I'm often a little confused where to go in there about general diet discussion.

But then again, I'm a little slow...
 
I can set a miniumm number of psots but then you have the problem of people just posting rnadom **** just to get in here. So you creat another problem by trying to fix one. I have though of implimenting this numerous times but I'd rather people just have someone tell them to search...but maybe that just isn't working.

I can make a Nutrition section but I fear you have the same problem. People simply won't go in there before they want to pop the pills.

You guys have to understand that its been a problem for a while. There is a reason the supplement section is first and not the Anabolic section which used to be. I don't want people going straight in there. Should I move the nutrition sections up and the anabolics down?
 
I don't think the move would help. I can't speak for all but I know I first came seeking AAS info so I think it would be found quite fast.
 
Nutrition / Health section up.
 
Actually, I was just thinking the other day after someone was posting unecessary insults that it would be nice to have some kind of posting "suspension" similar to the ban but not as extreme. Mods could temporarily suspend people which would revoke their rights to post until a certain amount of "on forum time" passed. Not real time but forum time so they can be researching before posting again.
 
I think my idea of a first time user section is good. But how about making it straight stickies. Instead of going to the normal home page, you are sent directly there when you initally sign up. If they then choose to ask stupid questions, you redirect(tell them) to go back to the first page and read that before asking questions.
 
It almost serves as an embarresment also. Who want to constantly be told to go back and read, seriously how many times do you see the person asking questions and that stupid looking "got search" smilie is used. Not much, I rarley ever see the same user name with more then one of those. You just feel stupid after someone uses it towards you. Trust me, I got one my first days on here.
 
I think if the nutrition and training sections are up there on top, it does give the newbies the impression that this board prioritizes training and nutrition, in a subtle but real way.

Who counts the number of threads/posts? I know I don't. But whenever I join a new board, I look to see what goes on, and I do start from the top.

Who else starts from the top? Raise your hand? ;)
 
Grunt76 said:
I think if the nutrition and training sections are up there on top, it does give the newbies the impression that this board prioritizes training and nutrition, in a subtle but real way.
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Good point.
 
I like that idea. It probably would be a bitch and a half to code but I'll see what I can do.

And as I told another member, I will put up any sitcky that is created to tell members about responsible use and or diet and training but people have to make them!!!! I have enough on my plate that I can't sit down and type that up as well. So if you want something stickies then go type it up!!
 
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revodrew said:
It almost serves as an embarresment also. Who want to constantly be told to go back and read, seriously how many times do you see the person asking questions and that stupid looking "got search" smilie is used. Not much, I rarley ever see the same user name with more then one of those. You just feel stupid after someone uses it towards you. Trust me, I got one my first days on here.
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The problem is you need to members to do it!

I have a lot of PM's complaining but many of these people are the same ones that don't act! These are the same people (not all) wanting companies to put out MORE orals! There is only so much I can do. I can't creat an environment unless I start deleting everything and then I get accuses of being a nazi (more than I already do).
 
I think it is a great start by moving anabolics below nutrition and diet on the page. That does show that anabolics is a secondary way to gain weight, or get cut or whatever you are trying to obtain.
 
I dunno I still kinda like the temporary exhile idea. Maybe you can even make their avatar look like the big head they put on Mad Max in "thunderdome" while they are in exhile. :D
 
jonny21 said:
I dunno I still kinda like the temporary exhile idea. Maybe you can even make their avatar look like the big head they put on Mad Max in "thunderdome" while they are in exhile. :D
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I am not convinced that you are a 100% serious, but that might take things a bit to far. If you do that, they may not come back. That may be nice in one aspect, but what if they go out, use it however and messed up. I know alot of guys are gonna say, good he was a dumb ass anyways, but in all fairness, every one on here used something before they knew exactly what the possible neg. affects were atleast once.
 
Bobo said:
The problem is you need to members to do it!

I have a lot of PM's complaining but many of these people are the same ones that don't act! These are the same people (not all) wanting companies to put out MORE orals! There is only so much I can do. I can't creat an environment unless I start deleting everything and then I get accuses of being a nazi (more than I already do).
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Thanks Bobo!:thumbsup:
 
Looks good. :)

Yeh the "exile" thing sounds nice. By "exile" you mean they can read the anabolics section but not post? If so, then yeah, that's a great idea IMO.

"How's my 1st cycle: wk 1-12 Tren 500mg, Deca 500mg"
 
...and guys, i don't need the rep points...lol....but thanks anyway.
 
revodrew said:
I am not convinced that you are a 100% serious, but that might take things a bit to far. If you do that, they may not come back. That may be nice in one aspect, but what if they go out, use it however and messed up. I know alot of guys are gonna say, good he was a dumb ass anyways, but in all fairness, every one on here used something before they knew exactly what the possible neg. affects were atleast once.
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:blink: I was talking about doing it for those that asked before searching. The exhile would not banish from forum, just from posting. It could even be used for those that are extremely disrespectful. The Mods would have control so it wouldn't get out of hand.
 
revodrew said:
You know you wantem.:icon_lol: This is a great start. Off to attempt to make some stickies.
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:study:
 
jonny21 said:
:blink: I was talking about doing it for those that asked before searching. The exhile would not banish from forum, just from posting. It could even be used for those that are extremely disrespectful. The Mods would have control so it wouldn't get out of hand.
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I know but I am just saying that if they have some silly avator, they might just go to BB.com and get told to take 50mgs of M1T and to use 6-0x0 for 2 weeks for a good pct.
 
revodrew said:
I know but I am just saying that if they have some silly avator, they might just go to BB.com and get told to take 50mgs of M1T and to use 6-0x0 for 2 weeks for a good pct.
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Loud & Clear.
 
We have something that restricts posts but it doens't really work as I intended it to.
 
I was talking about doing it for those that asked before searching. The exhile would not banish from forum, just from posting. It could even be used for those that are extremely disrespectful. The Mods would have control so it wouldn't get out of hand.
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Ive been scanning the Anabolics section a few times a day and locking down the "Ive searched all over but I cant find any info on Superdrol":D threads. Hopefully they'll start to get the message.

One idea I had , and this kind of coincides with johnny21's idea, was to make those who have been 'exiled' submit a written essay of so many words on why they want to use anabolic drugs, a complete outline of their diet and training plain, etc - and have it reviewed by a mod or perhaps another longtime board member before they're allowed to post. That's kind of harsh but it would definitely send the message.

I'd love to see more scientific discussion in that forum as well. Back in the day everyone was very interested in the mechanism behind PH conversion, transdermal technology, etc - seems like now all some people want to do is pop a magic pill.

BV
 
BV, that's an awesome idea. an essay will set the tone pretty fucking quick. you know damn well once they write up their fucked up diet and training program, they're gonna look at it themselves, and say '****'. maybe, not necessarily an essay format. but kinda the former idea of making them post up their diet/training regimen. sure, it will discourage a lot of the mass market from coming here but i believe it would set the tone for this board to be taken more seriously. kinda like bobo said too though, we all have to jump in everytime that one of these newb AAS threads pops up and basically just give em **** until they fess up the rest of their program. not giving them unnecessary ****, but definately making the point known that if they want help in any sector, they're going to have to put on their game face and post that program. otherwise, send their asses back to bb.com. damn near 20,000 members now. shits getting deep.
 
Nobody would ever write an essay for an internet message board because they would just leave and go somewhere else. Having been a mod here first then board owner I can tell that most people, when banned or denied postings, will not sit there and write an essay to get back on a board. They will instead go to another board and complain how idiotic this board is. We already have the Children status that limits posting and for the most part, its failed already. If I thought an 18-21yr old kid would sit down and write an essay to get back on, I would implement it.

I doin't want to creat a judge and jury atmosphere. That is why a more active approach by current members for people to post their diet is what I would like to see rather than a mod staff bearing the respnosiblity to be judge and jury, something we already accused of now by deleting and closing threads. We are bascially in a no win situation already. Clamp down hard and you are accused of running a nazi camp, let them post freely and you are accused of not acting and letting the newbs run the show.
 
revodrew said:
I think my idea of a first time user section is good. But how about making it straight stickies. Instead of going to the normal home page, you are sent directly there when you initally sign up. If they then choose to ask stupid questions, you redirect(tell them) to go back to the first page and read that before asking questions.
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I have looked into this idea and found an old hack for version 2.2 that is not compatible with vb 3.5 (since I tried it and it crashed the registrstion process). I am still looking but withouth extensive codework (not sure if I even can) it won't work. So any other suggestions along this path would be appreciated.
 
Bobo/mods - I gotta say that I'll support what you guys want to do with anabolic section and who can post on it.

But, my vote is that we shouldn't exclude folks or make this particular forum hidden or whatever.
There will always be idiots in this world. I think AM is here for good information exchange. We sholdn't exclude idiots.
If we do, then God should give me a "Smote gun" like on the Simpsons. So, I can go around smoting idiots.
 
No I dont' want to exclude people but I am tired of it myself with the attention focusing on all the orals and the crowd it can bring in. Its getting old and I've preached many times about proper diet and training but its like speaking to a wall. Young people for the most part don't listen well at all, myself included when I was that age.
 
Bobo - I listen to ya - even when you told me I was a crazy idiot. (I've heard worse from my boss at work, BTW.)
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I totally agree with Beelz' initial point. (I'll admit I didn't read many other posts though...)
I've told my friends that ask for advice (now, one might ask "Who in God's name would go and ask Jmh80 for advice? They must be retarded!" - and you are probably right but I digress) that diet and training are the shotgun, supps are the BB gun.

Even steroids don't work if you don't eat right, train right, and rest properly.


That said, there is an allure with new supplements. I love testing new stuff out. I love being a guinea pig and designing my own experiment. I love being able to educate others on the new supps with my personal experiences (however unscientific those may be).
Sometimes, it's just cool to try new stuff.

/Pimps himself up for his Rebound Reloaded & Activate test log next week. :D
 
doctorb said:
Sometime I have questions then I searched before asking the same questions.
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It's cool man, it's just the first time I saw someone with 2 messages in nearly 3 years... :)
 
max-rot98 said:
My mother also follows the blood type diet. Her and alot of her friends. I have read what my diet would be and let me tell you it ain't happening. The guy has some good theories though. Just be careful I have read that the guy that developed this blood type diet has gone as far as dieting according to astrology. Too far.
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i would be careful how much you believe about Dr. D'Adamo. he is into the energy but i can't say i've seen him say much about astrology. the community that settled into his site's forum has gonetoo far, i can see that. there are plenty of fruity, sick people who cling to the diet, but that isn't every blood-type dieter.


max-rot98 said:
I will admit you are lucky to be eating that quality of food. My parents eat all free range meat, organic everything etc. Expensive, especially if you eat like we do.
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some people are more sensitive than others. my body is a textbook example of a diet too high in grains. while growing up under relatively uncaring parents and school lunches i have the classic signs of the neolithic revolution in my skeleton. now i know i'm a big meat eater, especially red meat. i always liked red meat. i learned by the time i was living on my own (19) that corn made me tired and lethargic. wheat i did not know. the wheat and corn share warnings against people prone to diabetes, and they both produce accumulation of adipose tissue and cause lethargy. in my experience this is true. the wheat and dairy proteins and sugars both cause a very immediate reaction in my body that i can feel in my ears (lymphatic system), back (immune system) and belly (enteric nervous system). i even get headaches from beer, which is barley. i have in a pharmacuetical journal an article how some gluten grains can cause an auto-immune dysfunction that causes swelling of brain tissue, nervous tissue. well, guess what? the amount of beer i had drunk was definently NOT enough to explain the headache. i've been testing the various foods for years and in my own body the blood-type diet has proven itself time and time again.

i would say there are so many problems caused by the regular consumption of many of these avoids, even the common, ubiquitous avoids.. that the medical industry and pharmaceutical industry would be shooting themselves in the foot to laud the multitude of benefits this diet can bring to people. there is no financial incentive to promoting this diet, but there are already so many reasons to put it down. it has proven itself to be that good.

and let me put it another way:

i found after being very clean, from the clarity of that perspective.. to go back to eating wheat what i experienced was mild schizophrenic symptoms. now i'm no expert in psychiatric disorders but i have read some paleolithic diet relevent articles and there's at least one linking the consumption of wheat to schizophrenia, implicating wheat as an environmental source of schizophrenia, that wheat is a schizophrenigenic substance for some people. given that schizophrenia is a recessive gene and that my uncle has been diagnosed with it, my mother has one of the genes for it, which means her children have a 50% chance of inheriting one gene for schizophrenia. guess what? my experience of this world has shown me that i have a very high chance of having schizotypal personality disorder. this is a rather clumsy name for something which very recently has been shown to have an upside. i exhibit that upside. i believe i have it, and that wheat, from my new perspective, does cause more schizophrenic symptoms than in non-schizotypal people. i can now experience a level of subtlety previously unknown to me. so now i'm a believer. and my day to day energy levels and mood and body composition is further proof. people may not like the blood-type diet, or what it would ask of them, but that doesn't make it untrue.
 
btw, i noticed my measly positive rep points were smashed into the negative after my roid post. i sighed because that is what i am used to. after the post where i admit that i'm actually in agreement with the OP, that my first post in this thread was light-hearted.. my points sky rocketed up way past the original value before participating in this thread. i just wish my original score was returned to normal. i don't want overcompensation. OTOH, i guess i've lost faith in the credibility of rep points in forums (bb.com destroyed my innocence in that regard). i'm glad this community is supportive of health above the supplement craze. it has been a reassuring experience for me to read through and participate in this thread.

as for moderators and search functions... wouldn't it be nice, given the "sd" and "pp" limitations of the two letter searchs.. to have in the stickies and FAQs in this forum to ask the posters of important things like the logs to type out the entire name PROPERLY at least once in the first post? if the poster doesn't couldn't the moderators of the subboard simply edit it in place of the abbreviation/mispelling? that would clear things up very nicely.

and i agree with Wicked-Awesome Clown Dude. we don't need a nazi board or newbies running the show. best to have a few knowledgeable dudes just laying down the common sense and possibly providing links to a thread or two on the site that covers the local's attitudes on diet and nutrition, with requests for an earnest divulgence of diet before engaging in the more advanced realms of anabolics and performance enhancers for plateau-breaking or body-building.

let's face it, this kind of stuff.. these forums.. don't attract the most intelligent "bros". if we had an attitude of creating our own files that served as good references for the common stuff and had a few of the active regulars fighting the good fight it would be easier for everyone. but this really does seem like a nice place.

[goes off to pop pills]

AAAAGGGHHHH!! this prostanozol turns me into a crazy man!!! ajeapoeijfzpoijezfoije!
:rofl:
 
wheat to schizophrenia, implicating wheat as an environmental source of schizophrenia, that wheat is a schizophrenigenic substance for some people.
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Interesting...
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I'd heard of Ergot fungus and its effects on human health, but that's rye grain - never wheat though

BV
 
How 'bout this: let's make it a rule to post up your diet, training and recovery plan whenever you start an AAS thread. Promulgate this in a stickied post, and add that if you don't have these fundamentals down, all the drugs in the world will do you no good --- you'll get only the bad side of this double edged sword. Lastly, call upon the members to enforce this rule, and notify the mods if somebody really steps out of line.

This approach will prevent the mods from needing to be on top of every single thread. It will also force people to deal with the fundamentals, which I believe is the overarching goal. Also, because it won't be enforced by the High and Mighty, there's room for leeway --- I don't think the spirit of the intended law can be completely captured in words, so we'll have to exercise our collective judgement. Doing so as a community will go a long way to curtailing inbound Nazi epithets.

It's true that some people will simply not get it, and consider this the worst board in the world. They'll then go on to badmouth AM on other boards, no doubt. The question is, is that such a bad thing? I personally found out about AM from badmouthing on another board --- I was drawn here because I figured, any organization which kicks out ranting dumbasses like the one I was witnessing is OK by me. Point being, if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard, then by definition, we can't be all inclusive.
 
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