11375 vs. 11216

[sweet-physique]

I agree with the post but let me offer an alternative explaination. A lot of people come here for information they cant get anywhere else. This Steroid/Prohormone/Controlled Substance related information isnt easily obtained via traditional routes. The users are sharing experiences and thoughts on certain compounds as well as techniques and cycles for maximizing gains. In most cases, you cant get this type of first hand information anywhere else (besides these type of forums).

I dont come here to ask people how to improve my training split. I can research/read/learn how to do that from MANY reputable sources of information. In many cases these are the more traditional routes of obtaining information. The same goes for diet. If i have questions about caloric intake or micronutrient profiles I have many legit places to look. This type of imformation is aslo much more "mainstream" and easier to obtain.

There will always be an imbalance of posts regarding anabolic substances. I DO NOT think this reflects EVERYONES prioritization. This is jumping to conclusions. Since I dont ask questions in diet/training related sections does this mean that all I focus on are the drugs? No, it just means this is the only area of knowledge that I can't get good info/feedback on anywhere else. If I want to know what the "optimal" dose of OT seems to be or how well someone gained on 30mg where else can I look/ask?

I agree with your point that drugs should not be everyones first focus. Diet & training methods are much more important. I just feel it is a bit hasty to conclude that the imbalance of posts is directly related to members priorities. Most just simply have no other source for this type of specialized information.

Just my two cents....

good point!

also AM was originally founded by guys like chemo and curt2go for cheap bastards like myself who wanted information on bulk sources and how to effectively convert and administer them in transdermal, oral, and injectable homebrews. It has obviously grown from there, but that was the orginal driving force behind anabolicminds. At the time this was certainly considered underground information not readily available from many sources. My wife still will ask me from time to time how our investment in our cattle herd out west is going and if those implants that were delivered to the house helped increase the profit margin.
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[max-rot98]

good point!

also AM was originally founded by guys like chemo and curt2go for cheap bastards like myself who wanted information on bulk sources and how to effectively convert and administer them in transdermal, oral, and injectable homebrews. It has obviously grown from there, but that was the orginal driving force behind anabolicminds. At the time this was certainly considered underground information not readily available from many sources. My wife still will ask me from time to time how our investment in our cattle herd out west is going and if those implants that were delivered to the house helped increase the profit margin.
:run:

hmm, didn't know that interesting

I think Beelz made his point clear. He didn't try to bash anyone he was just bringing a very important and overlooked fact to light. Took some balls I think.

No one is saying you can't research aas and homebrews transdermals etc. But NOTHING CAN REPLACE DIET AND TRAINING. I think alot are just frustrated that when you come to AM it is very common to see 50 in the aas 10 gc 10 adult content and 1 maybe 2 in exercise science and nutrition.

It is just a hint that we all need to sit back and think about instead of coming up with excuses.

And I second or third..whatever..Beelz for Mod!!! Him and Glen. Glen makes me a little nervous though with that temper.:hammer:

 

[glenihan]

ohh max i'm a regular ol' sweetheart .. just one of the gals that likes a little tender love and care now and then

 

[Weezy06]

great posting... I think i may actually put my second cycle on hold and hook up with Bobo to get my diet down to a science. I feel like i learned enough to safely use the anabolics without negative consequences, but even though I eat "pretty clean" I know that's not enough to maximize their effectiveness. Thanks Beelz.

 

[JonesersRX7]

great posting... I think i may actually put my second cycle on hold and hook up with Bobo to get my diet down to a science. I feel like i learned enough to safely use the anabolics without negative consequences, but even though I eat "pretty clean" I know that's not enough to maximize their effectiveness. Thanks Beelz.

Another saved.... j/k


Good idea honestly tho, you know that saying teach a man to fish -- it kind of works like that.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

beelz, great post, i pesonally know i have some issues with my diet, i would love to discuss what a good diet is on this forum , i think the knowledge base here is the best by far, my question is , is it ethical to talk about diet plans and such when that is how bobo makes his cash? there is no sarcasm at all meant by this reply it is a sincere question that i have had and it is the reason i personally never posted anything with diet and nutrition questions.

Talk about them all you want. I could care less. I would LOVE more people in the diet sections. On every board you are going to have popular forums and its usually the steroid, supplement, and chat areas. Thats the way it is with most and its been that way for as long as I can remember.

And as I have stated before this section is a mergins of two sections. The PH section was MUCH more active than the anabolic section before they were merged. Its about convenience. The new designer hormones are convenient and legal and therefore will draw the attention. Its a result of the market. If I put all the talk of the legal hormones in the Supp section that would blow up as well.

 

[LakeMountD]

Talk about them all you want. I could care less. I would LOVE more people in the diet sections. On every board you are going to have popular forums and its usually the steroid, supplement, and chat areas. Thats the way it is with most and its been that way for as long as I can remember.

And as I have stated before this section is a mergins of two sections. The PH section was MUCH more active than the anabolic section before they were merged. Its about convenience. The new designer hormones are convenient and legal and therefore will draw the attention. Its a result of the market. If I put all the talk of the legal hormones in the Supp section that would blow up as well.

So could this be a start to a new policy?

I kinda of like Beelz's idea of not answering cycle questions without the person having knowledge of their training and diet. There are way too many bb.com threads starting to appear here. I mean hell when I was 17 I was just as guilty of it. But that was also on bb.com not as much so here, we definitely need to focus more on diet and training before supplementation. I take pride in studying nutrition on my own time and testing those diets on myself and I think more people need to do the same.

One of the biggest problems is that people are lazy. They think they are eating a lot and that might be rightfully so. However, without the proper macronutrient percentages you aren't getting yourself anywhere. An 80/10/10 carbs/protein/fat diet isn't going to help all that much truthfully. And just because you eat many times throughout the day doesn't mean you are taking in enough calories.

Hell, right now I am taking in 4500 calories and I am like 173 (post-injury and trying to get back into it). I am a strong ecto but still 4500 is a damn job for me to get when I have football and school everyday. Listen to what these vets have to say, they've been there before.

PS- that is currently Beelz with the crown on :thumbsup:

:bow28:

 

[Beowulf]

I just saw this and read the whole thing. Great posting Beelz. I pretty much agree with you.

I have done two very mild legal cycles. 4ad/nor, though I stopped it just when the nor should have really been working, and SD, avg of 14mg for 20 days. That being said, I think these were mistakes. I lost just about everything from both. I had a pretty solid foundation of training/diet, but it could have been better. Worse was the fact that I was unprepared for a ridiculously hectic period during which I missed the gym, diet went to ****, and I lost most of my gains. After that happened, I signed up with Bobo for cutting and bulking b/c I knew that diet was the foundation of everything.

I think my diet is solid now, whether cutting or bulking, b/c I've boiled it down to a handful of concepts that I won't say b/c I inferred it all from Bobo's programs. I tailor my diet to the days specific workout; I rotate exercises on a two week cycle, and change it completely every 8-10 weeks. I have only missed a handful of meals and a handful of scheduled workouts in the last couple of years.

Now that I have a solid foundation, and confidence that I am doing everything right, I will do another cycle very soon. My goal is very specific. In the last 3-4 that I've been training I've gone from 145 and probably 15% to 195 and 11%. Despite that gain, my arms basically refuse to grow. They are still lagging in the mid 15" range. I've gained less than an inch per year. I realize this would be a good rate if arms were in the high teens, but they are not. This is very frustrating and suggests to me that my arms are a major problem area genetically. My dad could probably beat anyone here in a strongman contest, yet his arms are smaller than mine. The bitches won't grow. So I'm gonna run halodrol w/IGF and some other goodies, with a specific focus on arms. I don't ever plan on doing any heavy cycles, and health is my primary focus above all else. I'm not at my genetic potential, but it will take forever to get there since I got into this so late (mid 20's).

All that being said, I think Beelz was basically on point with his post, but I also think Pioneer was right about some of the additional factors that could be skewing numbers.

I agree that to post about cycles you should have to post diet and training. I've hesitated to do so b/c so much of my diet is somewhat privileged info. I think some people rely too much on aas, but I don't think it is bad for someone getting bloodwork and doing everything right to get a little boost every now and then.

 

[BigVrunga]

Beelzebub makes an excellent point, believe me Ive noticed the amount of activity in the Anabolics forum outweighs Exercise/Nutrition/etc by quite a wide margin.

I dont think everyone who is visiting the Anabolics forum and posting, etc is a slacker though - there's a few reasons why there's an abundance of activity in Anabolics:

-The ratio of people who know what they're doing to those that just want to pop a magic pill and get huge is going to be the same everywhere. Simply put, humans naturally take what they percieve to be the easy way out. Anabolicminds, while a great place, is still a public forum. Hopefully any people who come in naieve will become eduated on their own accord, because this site is rich with knowledgeable bros who are willing to help out anyone who will listen. Those that dont will pay the price in the long term.

-Anabolic hormones generate a lot of interest. And *because* this site has so many educated people on it and is heavily moderated, most intelligent questions are answered thoughtfully and accurately. There's a lot of science surrounding how anabolics work in the human body, and a lot of the posts in Anabolics are related to that. There are so many hormones, especially with the new 'designer' drugs, so many methods for PCT...Im sure a lot of people have a lot of questions and they head to the Anabolics forum to get their answers.

-Another thing to think about is that there's diet and training information everywhere. Every magazine you read, bodybuilding book you pick up, etc. But there's not much legitimate info concerning 'new' steroids and whatnot. People know there's minimal BS here, so they come here to research.

Still though, I completely agree that more focus should be placed on maximizing your genetic potential naturally before turning to hormones. So what are we going to do about it?

Maybe everyone bitching (myself included) should make it a goal to write up an interesting and useful post for the nutrition and exercise/science forums.

Perhaps we should have all users submit an essay describing their current diet/training regimen and their interest in anabolics before they're allowed to post in the Anabolics section.

Either way, if you're concerned about it, do your part and let's hear about the next wave in exercise science (and it better not be this thing:

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...Or the latest research you've done on bodybuilding nutrition.

The ratio of posts between sections here just reflects the general attitude of the masses - if you want that to change then do your part and spread the faith

BV

 

[Beowulf]

On a related note: I think a lot of people exaggerate calories on cycle; I know I did. The issue is that you can still get fat on (most?) aas. I did with both legal ventures I have undertaken. Just like off cycle, U think increases should be gradual.

Too many people can't cut w/o drugs; if they do they lose tons of muscle. I thought this was inevitable till I cut with Bobo. What good is that extra muscle if you lose it while cutting the extra fat gained on cycle. You're just creating additional volatility w/in your body; as if cycles don't cause enough. And I'm guessing the people who eat tons of **** on cycle are probably also jeopardizing their already compromised lipid profiles.

 

[BigVrunga]

Too many people can't cut w/o drugs; if they do they lose tons of muscle. I thought this was inevitable till I cut with Bobo. What good is that extra muscle if you lose it while cutting the extra fat gained on cycle. Your just creating volatility w/in your body; as if cycles don't cause enough. And I'm guessing the people who eat tons of **** on cycle are probably also jeopardizing their already compromised lipid profiles.

I totally agree 110%. Like you Beo Ive done two mild PH cycles myself, and each time I pounded down 4000-5000 cals a day in an effort to gain as much weight as possible. That was the general consensus at the time though - 20 cals/lb of bodyweight, no cardio...what a load of complete and total bullshit.

If I had a nickel for everytime I tried to convince some fat kid in the gym that moderate cardio wasnt catabolic...what a mistake. When I hit 240lbs and 18%BF after my last cycle I didnt even care that I was benching 340+lbs after I couldnt climb a flight of stairs without running out of breath.

When I started to cut, I was anxious because like so many I thought you *needed* drugs to preserve muscle, especially with an ecto phenotype. Again, a complete load of BS. I may have lost a little muscle due to my own slacking off at times or dropping the ball on my diet - but except in the most extreme cases, anyone can look damn good staying natural and eating right. "Bulking up" and becomming a fat slob in the name of a few lbs of muscle is borderline pathetic (in my view, after having done it and realizing error of my ways).

I would hope that we all are into this for our health first and foremost...and while Im all for a good cycle there is *so* much you can do and learn about your body before you take that road.

BV

 

[Grunt76]

Maybe this should become a standard question: "Where's your FitDay?"

 

[Dwight Schrute]

So could this be a start to a new policy?

I kinda of like Beelz's idea of not answering cycle questions without the person having knowledge of their training and diet. There are way too many bb.com threads starting to appear here. I mean hell when I was 17 I was just as guilty of it. But that was also on bb.com not as much so here, we definitely need to focus more on diet and training before supplementation. I take pride in studying nutrition on my own time and testing those diets on myself and I think more people need to do the same.

One of the biggest problems is that people are lazy. They think they are eating a lot and that might be rightfully so. However, without the proper macronutrient percentages you aren't getting yourself anywhere. An 80/10/10 carbs/protein/fat diet isn't going to help all that much truthfully. And just because you eat many times throughout the day doesn't mean you are taking in enough calories.

Hell, right now I am taking in 4500 calories and I am like 173 (post-injury and trying to get back into it). I am a strong ecto but still 4500 is a damn job for me to get when I have football and school everyday. Listen to what these vets have to say, they've been there before.

PS- that is currently Beelz with the crown on :thumbsup:

:bow28:

No, it won't.

I hear this arguement every 3 months and its because new members aren't familiar with the format of the board. When M1t came out we had it. When Superdrol came out, we had it. Now all the other ones and we have it. Its a results of the market and the industry right now what people want. I can't change what people want.

 

[BigVrunga]

So could this be a start to a new policy?

I dont think we need a new policy - if you want to see more focus on other areas, then everyone should do their part to make it so. This is OUR board, afterall...the guys who are here all the time are going to set the tone for quality posts. Beeleze, Glen, Beowulf, Bobo, Big Pete,etc....I havent seen to many BB.com style posts out of them

BV

 

[jonny21]

Everyone forgets what it is like to be the "new" guy. Sure it sucks weeding through some unecessary bullshit but I thought the idea was to help edumacate others. I don't want to sound too corny but I actually like the little motto on the shirts "Learn, Teach, Lead". Maybe if we all lead by example and continually link newer members to some of the wonderfully detailed cycle logs that have been done in the past they will get the idea.

 

[Grunt76]

How 'bout this: A thread with links to all the logs arranged by which product was used. Huge work, but huge reference tool for the future newbs.

 

[jonny21]

How 'bout this: A thread with links to all the logs arranged by which product was used. Huge work, but huge reference tool for the future newbs.

I can't tell you how many people would benefit from reading B5150's SD log. He provides labs, doses (up to 50mg), gains... it's extremely well detailed and would answer a shitload of stupid questions that most ask. it would even put the supposed SD liver toxicity issue to rest.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I need an intern.

 

[BigVrunga]

Everyone forgets what it is like to be the "new" guy. Sure it sucks weeding through some unecessary bullshit but I thought the idea was to help edumacate others. I don't want to sound too corny but I actually like the little motto on the shirts "Learn, Teach, Lead". Maybe if we all lead by example and continually link newer members to some of the wonderfully detailed cycle logs that have been done in the past they will get the idea.

Maybe we should change the motto to "Learn, Teach, Lead,and Use the Freakin Search Button"

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How 'bout this: A thread with links to all the logs arranged by which product was used. Huge work, but huge reference tool for the future newbs.

That is a good idea...

BV

 

[jonny21]

Maybe just a cycle log template as sticky. Include everything that is necessary. Like how Matt CNW requires for testers.

 

[Grunt76]

One thing that I believe generates a LOT of repetitive and basic questions is that the search function doesn't allow for SD to be a search term, nor PP, nor, well, you get the idea. Maybe the 2-letter rule should have exceptions? This would allow peeps to actually use the search button for SD instead of using "Superdrol" and coming up with 3 threads where the bros actually went to the trouble of spelling it... :think:

 

[Dwight Schrute]

There is no way I could set the search engine for so few characters. THis board would lag very bad.

Plus I would have to rebuild the index which right now would take a good 12 hours...and the board can't be up while doing that.

 

[Beowulf]

doh! :frustrate

 

[Grunt76]

Maybe someday when you do an upgrade or whatever, it will be possible to replace the most commonly used abbreviations with the real words? Or might that be undesirable?

Just trying to figure out a way to make things better here...

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Maybe someday when you do an upgrade or whatever, it will be possible to replace the most commonly used abbreviations with the real words? Or might that be undesirable?

Just trying to figure out a way to make things better here...

It already has 3 servers running it. The search engine is THAT resource dependent.

 

[Strateg0s]

A simple way to improve things would be to have a subsection set aside for the worthy posts. Mods can then "promote" model posts into that subsection. There are plenty of worthwhile posts on this board to be moved (or mirrored) right away. A little positive discrimination would be welcomed by all, I think. That way, people who want to see how it ought to be done should hit there first. And those who want to get more quality attention to their inquiries will know how to model their posts...

 

[B5150]

I need an intern.

:type: :wave:

 

[zaph123]

great post 100% agree..the problem is people looking for shortcuts IMO. ex: HELP WITH CYCLE posts that the people arel ike 18 and only have 2 years of proper experience with a so so diet.

 

[revodrew]

I know that this may sound stupid, but to avoid all the bullshit, why doestnt someone make a
"First time AAS, PH users" , in there you can include an abundant amount of stickies where all the answers would be right there in front of you. It could have its own mods, for the people like Beez and almost all the rest of us, would most likely be more then willing to do that. I know I would for sure. The only powers I (example) would have would be in that section. That way the people who dont want to see newbie questions or be bothered by someone who is eating Mickdicks everyday and using SD wondering why he has gained 10lbs in a week and is still weak and looks like ****, doesnt have to read it. If a silly or "stupid" question is asked in the regular anabolics section, move it. It is really a pretty simple idea that I think can really work. Most of the people who are here are looking to do the right thing. lay it out for them, then if they F themselves after that, we all dont have to feel guilty or bad about what they didnt listen to. Just some food for thought, but, I will throw it out there, that if you do, do this, I will volunteer to mod the Newb AAS/PH section. Just my .02

Drew

 

[Beelzebub]

I need an intern.

i'm here huckleberry.

i've got some time to kill. not looking for a mod position or anything of the sort, just if you need some help.......:wave:

 

[200wannabe]

A simple way to improve things would be to have a subsection set aside for the worthy posts. Mods can then "promote" model posts into that subsection. There are plenty of worthwhile posts on this board to be moved (or mirrored) right away. A little positive discrimination would be welcomed by all, I think. That way, people who want to see how it ought to be done should hit there first. And those who want to get more quality attention to their inquiries will know how to model their posts...

I like that idea. Only mods can move a post into the 'Excellant Posts' section.

 

[max-rot98]

I know that this may sound stupid, but to avoid all the bullshit, why doestnt someone make a
"First time AAS, PH users" , in there you can include an abundant amount of stickies where all the answers would be right there in front of you. It could have its own mods, for the people like Beez and almost all the rest of us, would most likely be more then willing to do that. I know I would for sure. The only powers I (example) would have would be in that section. That way the people who dont want to see newbie questions or be bothered by someone who is eating Mickdicks everyday and using SD wondering why he has gained 10lbs in a week and is still weak and looks like ****, doesnt have to read it. If a silly or "stupid" question is asked in the regular anabolics section, move it. It is really a pretty simple idea that I think can really work. Most of the people who are here are looking to do the right thing. lay it out for them, then if they F themselves after that, we all dont have to feel guilty or bad about what they didnt listen to. Just some food for thought, but, I will throw it out there, that if you do, do this, I will volunteer to mod the Newb AAS/PH section. Just my .02

Drew

This ia a great idea. Having just a section on new to aas would be great. In there before you get any help your diet and training must be listed first. I LIKE!:burger:

 

[Moyer]

Changing the current stickies and adding more would go a long way. If there's anything I like about the bb.com boards, it's the nice collection of stickies in the nutrition, training, and teen section. We could also update the "steroid profiles" sticky to include all of the new designers and links to good logs. I would think any member could do this and just pm the content of their proposed sticky post to a mod...

IMO, getting rid of these **** polls would help clear the clutter too.

 

[jonny21]

...

IMO, getting rid of these **** polls would help clear the clutter too.

I agree,they are usually an attempt to avoid the research.

 

[Moyer]

I need an intern.

i'm here huckleberry.

i've got some time to kill. not looking for a mod position or anything of the sort, just if you need some help.......:wave:

I'm sure nobody would pick me over beelze, so if you decide you need 2, sign me up. :woohoo:

 

[Gokmog]

Exhibit A

oh yeah? why.. why.. if we were in the "real" world... i'd... i'd show you!

seriously you could have at least acknowledged what this place was called! LOL! but you're cool. the point/complaint you made must be voiced in any forum that is concerned with anabolism. yeah, adequate or surplus of quality food is more important for anabolism than the anabolic compounds.

just so you know.. i'm a big fan of the blood-type diet, it has helped me to cure myself of slight depression, lethargy, excess body fat (very slight in the thighs and belly but still..) and irritability as well as immune dysfunction (tightness/tension in upper back) like seasonal allergies (or what i thought were allergies). i'm also big on food-combining. i pretty effortlessly gained 12 pounds from mid september to mid december so i know how to eat, and i'm a definite ectomorph. with a little help from my friends. just ask m-1-alphgernon (my pet rat)!
:jaw:
i eat almost entirely my own home-cooked food. herbs, spices, basic ingredients are almost all i ever buy from the stores. i eat primarily grass-fed food from a cooperative of local, family farms in central Minnesota. i'm very lucky to eat this well at affordable prices and am very pro-homecooked/homegrown. and i love lard. i am a fan of the paleolithic diets as i am a "cave-man" type and the anabolic lifestyle is very important for my mental well-being, beyond "looking good".

 

[max-rot98]

oh yeah? why.. why.. if we were in the "real" world... i'd... i'd show you!

seriously you could have at least acknowledged what this place was called! LOL! but you're cool. the point/complaint you made must be voiced in any forum that is concerned with anabolism. yeah, adequate or surplus of quality food is more important for anabolism than the anabolic compounds.

just so you know.. i'm a big fan of the blood-type diet, it has helped me to cure myself of slight depression, lethargy, excess body fat (very slight in the thighs and belly but still..) and irritability as well as immune dysfunction (tightness/tension in upper back) like seasonal allergies (or what i thought were allergies). i'm also big on food-combining. i pretty effortlessly gained 12 pounds from mid september to mid december so i know how to eat, and i'm a definite ectomorph. with a little help from my friends. just ask m-1-alphgernon (my pet rat)!
:jaw:
i eat almost entirely my own home-cooked food. herbs, spices, basic ingredients are almost all i ever buy from the stores. i eat primarily grass-fed food from a cooperative of local, family farms in central Minnesota. i'm very lucky to eat this well at affordable prices and am very pro-homecooked/homegrown. and i love lard. i am a fan of the paleolithic diets as i am a "cave-man" type and the anabolic lifestyle is very important for my mental well-being, beyond "looking good".

My mother also follows the blood type diet. Her and alot of her friends. I have read what my diet would be and let me tell you it ain't happening. The guy has some good theories though. Just be careful I have read that the guy that developed this blood type diet has gone as far as dieting according to astrology. Too far.

I will admit you are lucky to be eating that quality of food. My parents eat all free range meat, organic everything etc. Expensive, especially if you eat like we do.

 

[Grunt76]

Yeh tell me about it. I'm all-organic and live by myself and the groceries STILL add up to about $700 a month...

I've also tried that blood-type diet and I think it's worth doing. But then again, I'm type O so I get to eat mostly meat and veggies...

 

[glenihan]

just outta curiosity where can i read about this blood type diet

or if someone that knows can just give me a very brief summary of what it would look like for AB positive

 

[Grunt76]

I think I have the food lists somewhere. The basic theory is simple: blood type is sort of a genetic marker, which indicates different ancestral origins depending on bloodtypes. Of course, eating a certain way for, say, 50,000 years has given your ancestors some kinds of adaptations to certain foods, thus enabling the author to say "this is better for you and you should avoid this". It's pretty flexible, too, because there's different degrees of suitability of foods, as they are rated "highly recommended" "recommended" "neutral-positive" "neutral" "neutral-negative" and "avoid".

I'll look up the files for you bro.

 

[jonny21]

Blood type diet is quackery. No studies prove any of D'Adamo's assertions.

 

[Grunt76]

Blood type diet is quackery. No studies prove any of D'Adamo's assertions.

So because no studies prove it, means it's crap? I know 8 people who were already "eating right" and used the ER4YT and felt tons better, got rid of allergies, etc. I'm sure whoever started talking about it on this thread has similar input.

 

[max-rot98]

I for one will admit that the foods it tells me to stay away from I ironically don't like and /or do not digest them well. Red meat is a big no no for my blood type. Not only am I not fond of it but it does not digest well for me. Doesn't stop me from eating it for dietary purposes but it is limited .

 

[max-rot98]

Here Glen, this is what we're all talking about. Invalid Link Removed

couldn't find a list though

 

[Grunt76]

I don't have the list on my computer anymore but I have a friend who has them all.

 

[Beelzebub]

glen, do a search for it on MMI. akira posted it up before.

 

[jonny21]

So because no studies prove it, means it's crap? I know 8 people who were already "eating right" and used the ER4YT and felt tons better, got rid of allergies, etc. I'm sure whoever started talking about it on this thread has similar input.

Sorry, I should have said no science backs what he purports. I am not a big fan of studies anyway, too easily skewed for the most part.

If what he suggests, lectin induced micro infarctions that cause damage to organs, was true there would be at least the smallest amount of scientifif evidence to support this. But there is not.

 

[Nabeshin]

Sticky this and make Beelez a mod.

 

[Beelzebub]

thanks nabe but even if i were asked, i'd respectfully turn it down. i have obligations elsewhere. thanks for the vote though

 

[glenihan]

beelze is a simple man with an even simplier mind .. can't have too many obligations at once .. you should see the cat try to walk and chew gum at the same time ... its a fucking riot!