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im starting sdrol for the first time Monday, been on test/deca for 2 weeks so wanted to let that build up and was busy last two weeks so didn’t want to add sdrol into a crazy schedule. Gonna use oral but I have injectable as well. Probably start at 10mg and bump to 20mg after a week if the sides are manageable - excited af to try the bad boy
By far my fav oral, by miles. I used to love Msten but I had a lot of shedding on it, SD is way better and I feel way better on it too. I’m on 12mg inj which is equal to like 24 ish oral and it’s just fucking wild, what a ride.

Make sure you’re taking like 3 grams of TUDCA, choline, and insitol a day. You can feel it start to mess ya up if you don’t stay on top of it
 
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im starting sdrol for the first time Monday, been on test/deca for 2 weeks so wanted to let that build up and was busy last two weeks so didn’t want to add sdrol into a crazy schedule. Gonna use oral but I have injectable as well. Probably start at 10mg and bump to 20mg after a week if the sides are manageable - excited af to try the bad boy
You’re going to enjoy the **** out of it!! Hopefully you feel good on it..! Also just curious, why deca?!?
 
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By far my fav oral, by miles. I used to love Msten but I had a lot of shedding on it, SD is way better and I feel way better on it too. I’m on 12mg inj which is equal to like 24 ish oral and it’s just fucking wild, what a ride.

Make sure you’re taking like 3 grams of TUDCA, choline, and insitol a day. You can feel it start to mess ya up if you don’t stay on top of it
3g of TUDCA?? I have never seen people use over 1,500mg, as the UDCA studies I’ve seen show results level off by 1,200 with 900mg being the sweet spot.
 
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3g of TUDCA?? I have never seen people use over 1,500mg, as the UDCA studies I’ve seen show results level off by 1,200 with 900mg being the sweet spot.
I like my liver the way it is lol so **** it what’s an extra $60 a cycle
 

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3g of TUDCA?? I have never seen people use over 1,500mg, as the UDCA studies I’ve seen show results level off by 1,200 with 900mg being the sweet spot.
They give way more than that to people with liver failure at hospital. I still wouldn’t use that much for an extended period of time but just saying
 

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You’re going to enjoy the **** out of it!! Hopefully you feel good on it..! Also just curious, why deca?!?
i seem to respond well to 19 nor compounds, I like to keep test low (running 300 of each), want to have a slow long bulk and I had a load of deca that came to me via an AM friend. Current consensus seems to be that NPP is the better way to go but when you have vials already I don’t like to waste 😂
 

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i seem to respond well to 19 nor compounds, I like to keep test low (running 300 of each), want to have a slow long bulk and I had a load of deca that came to me via an AM friend. Current consensus seems to be that NPP is the better way to go but when you have vials already I don’t like to waste 😂
Oh ya If you already have the vials haha it’s a no brainer
 
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I Had very sore left shoulder from sdrol and max lmg made it feel better, I think it was dry joint and lmg added water?? But not too sure but they work VERY well together and my next sdrol run will have max lmg too. Hope your shoulder isn’t serious enough for surgery, maybe run mk677 and hope it heals you up
Getting my MRI Thursday, so will be finding out something in the next week and if needed will schedule ASAP. If not then will start figuring out "The Plan!" :)
 
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Getting my MRI Thursday, so will be finding out something in the next week and if needed will schedule ASAP. If not then will start figuring out "The Plan!" :)
Hope mri went well, shoulder is the worse place for injury imo it’s so annoying having to train light chest too because shoulder is the secondary muscle group, my shoulder is better now the testosterone is active think it adds water to joints or something whereas the superdrol dried them out giving shoulder and wrist pain. If you don’t require surgery maybe run next cycle with a wet compound like dianabol it protects joints with water and gives great strength, I’m thinking of adding low dose dbol for my final 4weeks for added strength too
 
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BTW my overall gain so far in 6 months is: 147lbs - 192lbs :) I think my gains are impressive and I feel great!, in the 6 months I’ve been gym EVERY morning at 4am and will continue what I’m doing I’ll post pics after this cycle too still Have another 8 weeks testosterone enanthate so should gain a fair bit more I’m hoping to break 200lbs which at 5”9 isn’t skinny anymore and that was my initial goal
 
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Also mrkleen I found weed/hash helps recovery too I get early nights sleep etc and I’m sure it helps injury or at least numbs pain
 
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I know some guys cut on it butt i dunno how given how carb hungry its supposed to be.
I cut on it, lost 2% bodyfat, gained 12 lbs in 4 weeks. Had carbs right before I worked out and I blew tf up during my workout. Crazy ****.

I got really bad cravings on 12 mg inj. Like so bad that I’d see a soda and be like “I NEED IT!”

**** I even had a couple donuts sometimes.

Biggest thing that helped me was saying “if I want it 24hours from now then I’ll get it”. So if I wanted a pizza for dinner I’d wait 24 hours and if I still wanted it the next night then I’d get it. Helped a lot on SD cause cravings hit hard and fast.
 
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I cut on it, lost 2% bodyfat, gained 12 lbs in 4 weeks. Had carbs right before I worked out and I blew tf up during my workout. Crazy ****.

I got really bad cravings on 12 mg inj. Like so bad that I’d see a soda and be like “I NEED IT!”

**** I even had a couple donuts sometimes.

Biggest thing that helped me was saying “if I want it 24hours from now then I’ll get it”. So if I wanted a pizza for dinner I’d wait 24 hours and if I still wanted it the next night then I’d get it. Helped a lot on SD cause cravings hit hard and fast.
I read “I NEED IT” in Spongebob’s voice
 

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I cut on it, lost 2% bodyfat, gained 12 lbs in 4 weeks. Had carbs right before I worked out and I blew tf up during my workout. Crazy ****.

I got really bad cravings on 12 mg inj. Like so bad that I’d see a soda and be like “I NEED IT!”

**** I even had a couple donuts sometimes.

Biggest thing that helped me was saying “if I want it 24hours from now then I’ll get it”. So if I wanted a pizza for dinner I’d wait 24 hours and if I still wanted it the next night then I’d get it. Helped a lot on SD cause cravings hit hard and fast.
that’s interesting as I’d heard a lo people say sd hammers appetite and it’s hard to gain because you don’t want to eat.

im finding appetite is slightly down but nothing problematic - that said I’m week one and still just using 10mg
 
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that’s interesting as I’d heard a lo people say sd hammers appetite and it’s hard to gain because you don’t want to eat.

im finding appetite is slightly down but nothing problematic - that said I’m week one and still just using 10mg
SD was nothing compared to Msten and DMZ at 30mg. That **** had me not eating at al at the end. I was so damn hungry one day that I walked in to the grocery store and left with a bag of jerky, a protein bar, a protein shake, a donut, a soda, an energy drink, and a bag of chips and I ate it all. At once. Just because I was hungry before my workout.
 
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How far out before workout do you guys take your SD? I’m on 10mg a day and only have 10mg pills so taking it once a day. Not ideal I know. I usually workout in the evening and I have been taking it at lunch. Should I dose closet to workout? Just curious on opinions on this
 

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How far out before workout do you guys take your SD? I’m on 10mg a day and only have 10mg pills so taking it once a day. Not ideal I know. I usually workout in the evening and I have been taking it at lunch. Should I dose closet to workout? Just curious on opinions on this
I just made sure I didn’t dose it like 12 hours before workout but personally an hour Before or 3-4hours before didn’t make a difference. SOME people swear taking it just before working out but I don’t see a difference tbh.
 
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I found when I finished my sdrol my appetite went sky high I’m no longer drinking my mutant mass and still gained 4lb this week I eat before gym and after which I could never do before and if I don’t eat when I’m hungry the hunger pains make you eat but I was never like this before?? I’m on testosterone does this make appetite like this or is it the after effect of sdrol?
 
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I don’t like sdrol for pw it makes blood pressure high for initial few hours and can make workout uncomfortable I preferred to take bedtime go gym in morning and take another after gym
 
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No appetite suppression at all? You must be lucky in that regard. Maybe inj SD is a bit lower in sides aswell.
I think it comes from it passing through the liver less since it’s injectable, could be wrong though. Most orals have to bind to something to allow them to be absorbed via the GI track so maybe whatever SD is normally bound too causes you to not want to eat. I don’t know for sure

Msten though, holy FUARK that made me feel like death while I ate
 

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I think it comes from it passing through the liver less since it’s injectable, could be wrong though. Most orals have to bind to something to allow them to be absorbed via the GI track so maybe whatever SD is normally bound too causes you to not want to eat. I don’t know for sure

Msten though, holy FUARK that made me feel like death while I ate
i may be alright on sdrol then as msten had no impact on my appetite- I can always eat though, kinda hoping sdrol does suppress it because just using willpower all the time gets boring AF 😂

I never lost the ability to eat like I did when I was proper fat....always been able to gain weight easy but fat regain is normally more than I’d like on test (weirdly 1/4/epiandro which was my first cycle I lost fat even on 4,250 Cals a day)

bumping sdrol to 20mg tomorrow for the next 5 weeks so will see what’s what
 
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i may be alright on sdrol then as msten had no impact on my appetite- I can always eat though, kinda hoping sdrol does suppress it because just using willpower all the time gets boring AF 😂

I never lost the ability to eat like I did when I was proper fat....always been able to gain weight easy but fat regain is normally more than I’d like on test (weirdly 1/4/epiandro which was my first cycle I lost fat even on 4,250 Cals a day)

bumping sdrol to 20mg tomorrow for the next 5 weeks so will see what’s what
Msten didn't affect my appetite at all, but SD REALLY suppressed it at 20mg (oral).
 
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Yes appetite very badly suppressed on 20mg but when I switched to 10mg i got gains and no sides at all in fact i constantly felt empty even after a meal and even now my appetite is very high and it has to be something related to the superdrol as I never ate half as much as I do in my life unless testosterone enanthate increases appetite too but ive gained 4lbs in the last 5 days and feel great
 
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BTW my overall gain so far in 6 months is: 147lbs - 192lbs :) I think my gains are impressive and I feel great!, in the 6 months I’ve been gym EVERY morning at 4am and will continue what I’m doing I’ll post pics after this cycle too still Have another 8 weeks testosterone enanthate so should gain a fair bit more I’m hoping to break 200lbs which at 5”9 isn’t skinny anymore and that was my initial goal
Awesome work!!!
Also mrkleen I found weed/hash helps recovery too I get early nights sleep etc and I’m sure it helps injury or at least numbs pain
Yes I actually just quit smoking about 3 months back now. Was leaning on it too much and it became an issue I had to address.
I cut on it, lost 2% bodyfat, gained 12 lbs in 4 weeks. Had carbs right before I worked out and I blew tf up during my workout. Crazy ****.

I got really bad cravings on 12 mg inj. Like so bad that I’d see a soda and be like “I NEED IT!”

**** I even had a couple donuts sometimes.

Biggest thing that helped me was saying “if I want it 24hours from now then I’ll get it”. So if I wanted a pizza for dinner I’d wait 24 hours and if I still wanted it the next night then I’d get it. Helped a lot on SD cause cravings hit hard and fast.
Not a bad way to handle things. I think it is easy to "cut" on it but not easy to lose weight... I got ripped up while eating a massive deficit but still added muscle. Body has an amino acid pool and is very good are recycling any aminos that are broken down for a process but not used. If it is being told that protein synthesis is being required it just makes it happen and burns fat for other processes to do so. I did well on it with only carbs around training or even running the UD2 diet which is major deficit in keto during the week and major surplus and influx of carbs over the weekend. However when you hit the insulin pedal even a little bit with carbs it drops your blood sugar and cravings kick in hard which is why people say it is carb hungry.

How far out before workout do you guys take your SD? I’m on 10mg a day and only have 10mg pills so taking it once a day. Not ideal I know. I usually workout in the evening and I have been taking it at lunch. Should I dose closet to workout? Just curious on opinions on this
I think that is mostly placebo effect, which is awesome and wouldn't want to take it away from anyone. Just more of a mental ON SWITCH if you will.
I just made sure I didn’t dose it like 12 hours before workout but personally an hour Before or 3-4hours before didn’t make a difference. SOME people swear taking it just before working out but I don’t see a difference tbh.
Yeah agreed.
I found when I finished my sdrol my appetite went sky high I’m no longer drinking my mutant mass and still gained 4lb this week I eat before gym and after which I could never do before and if I don’t eat when I’m hungry the hunger pains make you eat but I was never like this before?? I’m on testosterone does this make appetite like this or is it the after effect of sdrol?
I think it is the after effect of a lot of new muscle and not having the SD to kill your appetite anymore. Plus yeah your IGF levels are still elevated from high testosterone levels.
I don’t like sdrol for pw it makes blood pressure high for initial few hours and can make workout uncomfortable I preferred to take bedtime go gym in morning and take another after gym
Yeah agreed it plus my pre workout would make my head feel a lot of pressure from it and ears blood red! When I took mine close to a workout it was most often post workout with my post workout meal before bed so it wouldn't ruin my appetite if I waited.
No appetite suppression at all? You must be lucky in that regard. Maybe inj SD is a bit lower in sides aswell.
It is supposed to be. It goes past the first pass of the liver so any that binds before then isn't going to hit the liver at all or much less. Now if it causes the kidneys more issues due to that I don't know.
Yes appetite very badly suppressed on 20mg but when I switched to 10mg i got gains and no sides at all in fact i constantly felt empty even after a meal and even now my appetite is very high and it has to be something related to the superdrol as I never ate half as much as I do in my life unless testosterone enanthate increases appetite too but ive gained 4lbs in the last 5 days and feel great
Yeah test will do that due to the IGF levels being higher and having an extra 20 lbs on top of that from the SD and not feeling bad from the SD would make you have a much bigger appetite as well in my opinion.
 
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There are tons of other ways to consume cannabis other than smoking I’ve a friend who makes edibles from Cakes to sweets also Makes vape carts with lots different flavours, I’m sure there are tons of benefits from cannabis that we don’t even yet know about but I’m 38 and swear It helps loads if It makes you paranoid etc then best to only consume at bedtime to give deep sleep, i wake up fresh every day at 3am for gym and have done for past 6months:)
 
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There are tons of other ways to consume cannabis other than smoking I’ve a friend who makes edibles from Cakes to sweets also Makes vape carts with lots different flavours, I’m sure there are tons of benefits from cannabis that we don’t even yet know about but I’m 38 and swear It helps loads if It makes you paranoid etc then best to only consume at bedtime to give deep sleep, i wake up fresh every day at 3am for gym and have done for past 6months:)
Oh I would probably still do an edible here and there but no it did not make me paranoid at all. I got to where I was in a bad point in my life and rather than deal with it I smoked all the time using it as a crutch and just stayed high all the time for a few years straight. Wake and bake, vape at lunch, smoke from the time I got home until I passed out. Spent ridiculous amounts of money on it and nothing got done that needed to because I was too full of the "phuck it!"
 
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Craziest thing is I've tried superdrol 2 or 3 times. I know twice for sure and I've never gotten anything from it! My **** just have been bunk but it was 2 separate brands/labs. I mean it's almost impossible for someone to be a complete non responder to a drug like that, right? Weird. Just wanted to say that, sorry if it doesn't offer much
 

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Craziest thing is I've tried superdrol 2 or 3 times. I know twice for sure and I've never gotten anything from it! My **** just have been bunk but it was 2 separate brands/labs. I mean it's almost impossible for someone to be a complete non responder to a drug like that, right? Weird. Just wanted to say that, sorry if it doesn't offer much
Someone can be a bad responder of superdrol but the drug is so freaking strong you’d still have good results with it. Most definitely bunk.
 

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Ill be running the injectable sd starting after christmas. Curious to see if its as light on sides as they say...
 
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Another vote for 10mg here!!!! I either run staggered 10/20 with 20 on training days if trying to push it but otherwise 10mg is a nice productive and relatively comfortable run... well for SD anyway. I have even gotten a little off of pulsing 10mg on just workout days over top of my TRT when I just had some to get rid of. You really don't need much at all.
Kleen, you consistently give some of the best, most unbiased and accurate advise of anyone I've seen here in years! Kudos, my man.

SD is 100% clean at 10mg/d. No high BP, no lipid issues, not even a zit. It can also be pulsed EOD at this amount practically indefinitely IME, without any apparent suppression (just as you suggested.)

I first ran SD for 8wks straight at 10-40mg/d (stating at 10mg/d and ramping up another 10mg/wk over 4wks) then held at 40mg for another 4wks. That was in the summer of 2004 i believe, right after M1T got banned.

From that testing I observed that 20mg/d is optimal when used solo. In subsequent testing it seems 20mg/d is also plenty when stacked with a decent amount parenteral non-methyl. But the difference in sides from 10mg to 20mg becomes quite striking after about 1-2wks. Mood changes, and patience shortens. I'm not even a type-A personality kinda guy, but 20mg/d made me lose a lot of tolerance for oppositional people in my environment. I actually commandeered some contractor's cherry picker down the street on that cycle, when some of his construction workers pissed me off. But that's another story, lol.

Anyway, at 30-40mg/d I looked like a freakin' scientific specimen, but as HDL crashed so did my general sense of well being. Even so enzymes (AST/ALT) never exceeded 75-100, and Milk Thistle/NAC was all I ever used (no TUDCA.)
 

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Kleen, you consistently give some of the best, most unbiased and accurate advise of anyone I've seen here in years! Kudos, my man.

SD is 100% clean at 10mg/d. No high BP, no lipid issues, not even a zit. It can also be pulsed EOD at this amount practically indefinitely IME, without any apparent suppression (just as you suggested.)

I first ran SD for 8wks straight at 10-40mg/d (stating at 10mg/d and ramping up another 10mg/wk over 4wks) then held at 40mg for another 4wks. That was in the summer of 2004 i believe, right after M1T got banned.

From that testing I observed that 20mg/d is optimal when used solo. In subsequent testing it seems 20mg/d is also plenty when stacked with a decent amount parenteral non-methyl. But the difference in sides from 10mg to 20mg becomes quite striking after about 1-2wks. Mood changes, and patience shortens. I'm not even a type-A personality kinda guy, but 20mg/d made me lose a lot of tolerance for oppositional people in my environment. I actually commandeered some contractor's cherry picker down the street on that cycle, when some of his construction workers pissed me off. But that's another story, lol.

Anyway, at 30-40mg/d I looked like a freakin' scientific specimen, but as HDL crashed so did my general sense of well being. Even so enzymes (AST/ALT) never exceeded 75-100, and Milk Thistle/NAC was all I ever used (no TUDCA.)
Interesting POV... you truly believe 10mg would have no effects on lipids,heart,liver,etc on anybody? You don’t think it’d be user dependant? Because that’s a pretty game changer right here if this is true.
 
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@DR.D you have been around here for a hot minute, sir!!! I remember reading pulsing ideas from you about 10 years ago on here haha
 
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Interesting POV... you truly believe 10mg would have no effects on lipids,heart,liver,etc on anybody? You don’t think it’d be user dependant? Because that’s a pretty game changer right here if this is true.
Offcourse it's user dependent. 15mg got me pissing BROWN, appetite gone, totally lethargic, etc.

40mg lawl, I would literary probably die at that dose.
 
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Interesting POV... you truly believe 10mg would have no effects on lipids,heart,liver,etc on anybody? You don’t think it’d be user dependant? Because that’s a pretty game changer right here if this is true.
Maybe I'm just blessed with a good liver, or maybe it's the handful of vitamins I take daily, but I had a lot of bloodwork done back then so I'm sure of my lipid claims about 10mg. At that time, I was head of the Medical First Responder team and also the HAZMAT team for the lab where I was working so background checks and monthly health testing was required by policy.

On 30-40mg/d SD my systolic BP was averaging about 175, plus my pulse rate was usually through the roof too. One time the lab manager called me in to review my recent bloodwork and said it looked like I should have been dead 4 days ago (or something to that effect, lol.) But I was so big I had to turn sideways to walk in doors, so they knew something was up but they always let it slide. I guess they trusted I knew what I was doing. :)

But yes, toxicity is undoubtedly dependent on one's individual genome, the other metabolic challenges introduced from the environment, medical history and other prior health considerations, etc.. but 2-3g Vitamin C daily covers a lot of bases IME (plus the NAC and other extras on cycle.)
 
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@DR.D you have been around here for a hot minute, sir!!! I remember reading pulsing ideas from you about 10 years ago on here haha
Manifesto! What's new, brotha?

Good to see some OGs still up in here, and all the new members too.
 

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Manifesto! What's new, brotha?

Good to see some OGs still up in here, and all the new members too.
Question for you. I have a hard time with orals now, probably also because I’ve used 3 methyls this year including SD. Would you believe DBOL pulsing or dbol only PW or even DBOL 5 on 2 off would work idk? Anything that would help taking it without feeling like I’m dying and I can’t eat
 
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But yes, toxicity is undoubtedly dependent on one's individual genome, the other metabolic challenges introduced from the environment, medical history and other prior health considerations, etc..
And let's not forget maybe the most important factor; we aren't getting this drugs from the pharmacy. What you got in your "SD" pill might be a lot different then what I got in mine.
 
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Question for you. I have a hard time with orals now, probably also because I’ve used 3 methyls this year including SD. Would you believe DBOL pulsing or dbol only PW or even DBOL 5 on 2 off would work idk? Anything that would help taking it without feeling like I’m dying and I can’t eat
Yeah, I mean Dbol is where pulsing originated. It seems exceptionally mild on sides when pulsed, especially in regard to shutdown. It's been speculated that certain of it's metabolites may act as ER-b agonists (like DHEA) which would indeed be ideal for pulsing applications, but who knows. I was in my teens back then so maybe I was just more resistant to sides and HPTA suppression?

Read the first few pages of the pulsing thread, it has a lot of info, but an oral pre-w/o and non-methyl or test booster post-w/o is generally effective. Low-dose, long acting methyls and SARMs work well post-w/o too, but the shutdown eventually manifests.

And if it makes you feel that bad, I wouldn't take it. You could surely find something else that works and isn't too detrimental.
 
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And let's not forget maybe the most important factor; we aren't getting this drugs from the pharmacy. What you got in your "SD" pill might be a lot different then what I got in mine.
Yes, very true! All the claims of hepatotoxicity started when the cheap clones came out.
 
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Interesting POV... you truly believe 10mg would have no effects on lipids,heart,liver,etc on anybody? You don’t think it’d be user dependant? Because that’s a pretty game changer right here if this is true.
I ran sdrol @20mg beginning of this cycle and after 4weeks I dropped to 10mg for another 3 weeks and the acid reflux stopped and kept my strength etc for when my testosterone levels peaked,when I run sdrol again I’d run 10mg and run for 6-8 wks instead of 20mg for 4wks the only difference I noticed on 20mg was the feeling of death and the fires of hell that I kept burping up anyone that thinks they won’t gain on 10mg will be very surprised. I was
 

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I ran sdrol @20mg beginning of this cycle and after 4weeks I dropped to 10mg for another 3 weeks and the acid reflux stopped and kept my strength etc for when my testosterone levels peaked,when I run sdrol again I’d run 10mg and run for 6-8 wks instead of 20mg for 4wks the only difference I noticed on 20mg was the feeling of death and the fires of hell that I kept burping up anyone that thinks they won’t gain on 10mg will be very surprised. I was
Yeah I know I created this thread because I ran 10mg a day during a couple weeks before bumping. I just had a hard time believe what he said that 10mg would have 0 effect on lipids. Stuff is pretty toxic imo but I do believe the toxicity from 10mg is very smaller than 20mg
 
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Yeah I know I created this thread because I ran 10mg a day during a couple weeks before bumping. I just had a hard time believe what he said that 10mg would have 0 effect on lipids. Stuff is pretty toxic imo but I do believe the toxicity from 10mg is very smaller than 20mg
I believe drugs can be used creatively in accordance to their effects or side effects.

For instance SD is a great, great recomping compound, coupled with it's toxicity and thus appetite destroying effects, it's a great idea to add 5 to 10mg to the last 4 weeks of a cut. When you are craving food the most and loosing fat the hardest SD will help a lot.
 

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I believe drugs can be used creatively in accordance to their effects or side effects.

For instance SD is a great, great recomping compound, coupled with it's toxicity and thus appetite destroying effects, it's a great idea to add 5 to 10mg to the last 4 weeks of a cut. When you are craving food the most and loosing fat the hardest SD will help a lot.
Funny you say that I exactly thought about doing this for my upcoming cut in February/March like obviously high dose SD is carbs craving etc and personally I don’t think it’s best suitable for cuts BUT I believe 5-10mgs to be PERFECT for the 4-6 last weeks of a cut. Happy you share my thoughts
 
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Funny you say that I exactly thought about doing this for my upcoming cut in February/March like obviously high dose SD is carbs craving etc and personally I don’t think it’s best suitable for cuts BUT I believe 5-10mgs to be PERFECT for the 4-6 last weeks of a cut. Happy you share my thoughts
Yeah man, I'd call this "off label" use : D
 

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