Anyone Dosed Epi at the 50-60mg range??

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Ive done a four week cycle working my up to 40mgs. If i did try it at 50 and maybe even 60 should i then bump up my post cycle therapy?? not sure if that makes sense the way i asked it. Last time i gained about 10lbs which put me up to 213 with no real fat gain and would love to see if could gain even more. Currently Im 23, 6 feet, 205, and about 11%.
 

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How exactly would you bump up your PCT?

What are you planning to take as PCT now?

I wouldn't go above 40, you could start seeing some bad sides at those doses. Just be patient.

And if your PCT is planned out correctly it should be the same whether you took it at 20mg or 60mg.
 
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I dosed Havoc at 50 mg a few times during the cycle, when it was supposed to be 40. I did get hugely shut down on cycle, but I also gained a lot of muscle. I'm fine now after running a normal PCT.
 
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im doing that much and i still have no sides, minus the occasional sleepiness. Ive done a few cycles so those low ass doses sometimes i cant feel sh1t. This is my first run with an epi compound (epidrol) and i feel it is a very mild oral. Great for beginners. But good for all.
 

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So you gained only 2lbs? You started at 203, got to 213 and now back to 205?

I wouldent bother running it again with that little net gain.
 

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That weight gain/loss is due to diet and training, not the compound.

With that being said, I ran havoc to 50/60mgs and saw an increase in sides. Not worth it IMO.
 

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Well I started boxing and was trying the polumbo diet for a few weeks but hated it....thats why the loss and most of it was fat anyway....I did 40mgs for a week and got somewhat shut down. Is there anything thats like epi out there that i can give a shot???
 
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That weight gain/loss is due to diet and training, not the compound.

With that being said, I ran havoc to 50/60mgs and saw an increase in sides. Not worth it IMO.
i've talked to a few people who did 50-60mg and they reported the same, increase in sides but not much extra in gains. start with 20-30mg and work your way up to 40mg (if you even want to go that high) but i don't see the gains outweighing the side effects once you get past 40mg (unless your 350lb+)
 
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I cant believe people talking about it like 30mg is alot, I mean yeah for the first timer but damn, 30mg is nothing, at least to me and im no superman...If i wasnt trying to keep shutdown at bay a bit I would probably hit up 100mg honestly. Maybe its just Havoc......
 
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Well I started boxing and was trying the polumbo diet for a few weeks but hated it....thats why the loss and most of it was fat anyway....I did 40mgs for a week and got somewhat shut down. Is there anything thats like epi out there that i can give a shot???
Did anyone realize the contradtiction of his fat gain. When he talks about his gains...there is no fat. Then he later states when he lost weight from his previous 213lbs he lost all fat.
 

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He said "Last time i gained about 10lbs which put me up to 213 with no real fat gain" which means he didnt gain fat on the cycle. He probably had a few lbs of fat on him which he said he lost after the cycle which brought him to 205.
 

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I cant believe people talking about it like 30mg is alot, I mean yeah for the first timer but damn, 30mg is nothing, at least to me and im no superman...If i wasnt trying to keep shutdown at bay a bit I would probably hit up 100mg honestly. Maybe its just Havoc......
Minor hijack, sorry....I am going to pulse epi eod and was considering 30 mg top (but I'm also only 180) and older than many of you. I have used the early ph's but not the "new" generation. How would you compare epi to say 1test or M1test? I have a friend (just one really, no one likes me)haha who is currently running furazadrol and an H clone. Loving it, no shut down great gains (about 10 ibs in 20 days). Am thinking about pulsing these two instead of the epi. Anyone?:thumbsup:
 
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I ran it up to 70mgs and loved every minute of it. I did notice that after 50 mgs i became slightly bloated tho. My libido was crazy and i was hungry as hell but i was full and i was getting strong as hell!!! Back pumps came on the last 3 days of cycle but they were very tolerable!
 

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I ran it up to 70mgs and loved every minute of it. I did notice that after 50 mgs i became slightly bloated tho. My libido was crazy and i was hungry as hell but i was full and i was getting strong as hell!!! Back pumps came on the last 3 days of cycle but they were very tolerable!
Interesting.... how.shutdown after the cycle?
 

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cromwell, please explain how you know your buddy isn't shutdown?
 
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I ran it up to 70mgs and loved every minute of it. I did notice that after 50 mgs i became slightly bloated tho. My libido was crazy and i was hungry as hell but i was full and i was getting strong as hell!!! Back pumps came on the last 3 days of cycle but they were very tolerable!
What kind of timing did you use on your dosings?
 
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ran havoc up to 60mg and all i noticed was increase back pumps and major shutdown after cycle... 40mg was the sweet spot for me and I have a fair amount of experience with these prods.

maybe if you bump the dose up earlier in your cycle, like week 3 you'll see benefits but at week 5 it was useless for me so i cut the cycle short
 
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ran havoc up to 60mg and all i noticed was increase back pumps and major shutdown after cycle... 40mg was the sweet spot for me and I have a fair amount of experience with these prods.

maybe if you bump the dose up earlier in your cycle, like week 3 you'll see benefits but at week 5 it was useless for me so i cut the cycle short
Were you taking the entire 60mg all at once, or staggered throughout the day (it makes a difference)?
 
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i was taking 20mg split 3 times per day... one mistake i made was often i'd take my last dose b4 bed which i hear is a no no
 
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i was taking 20mg split 3 times per day... one mistake i made was often i'd take my last dose b4 bed which i hear is a no no
Some users report insomnia taking before bed. I never noticed anything worse, but my insomnia is pretty bad already.
 
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i thought i remember reading somewhere that if you dose at night since, T production is at it's lowest at night, that it will shut you down quicker and then eventually harder

not sure if this is correct since over time the product will build in the system and be in the blood stream 24/7 so eventually it wouldn't matter any way... but any thoughts?
 
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If you are shooting to minimize shutdown, then I would take 30mg in the morning upon waking, and that is it. If you are not concerned, since you will be shut down anyway and are going to run proper PCT, then I would dose every 5-6 hours.
 
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im going to hit 50mg of epistane in my cycle...never dosing after 4pm. would 20mg am and 30mg pre w/o sound good?
 
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What kind of timing did you use on your dosings?

I did 2 in the am upon waking before bfast, 3 before my workout, and 2 before bed. I never noticed any type of insomnia to speak of. I loved this stuff dosed high. I also noticed even tho i was bloated a tad that it was almost "tren" like in keeping fat gain at bay while my diet may have fell off once or so every couple of days. I loved the stuff though.. Im thinkin that bulk 1,4ad and Havoc would be the stack of a god!! :thumbsup: :food:
 
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I did 2 in the am upon waking before bfast, 3 before my workout, and 2 before bed. I never noticed any type of insomnia to speak of. I loved this stuff dosed high. I also noticed even tho i was bloated a tad that it was almost "tren" like in keeping fat gain at bay while my diet may have fell off once or so every couple of days. I loved the stuff though.. Im thinkin that bulk 1,4ad and Havoc would be the stack of a god!! :thumbsup: :food:
wouldnt be to bad, keep in mind 1,4ad should be ran for 8 weeks minimum and kickstarting with havoc wouldnt be a bad idea. i just hate taking two orals at the same time but i am contemplating doing this when the bulk powder comes out. i see alot of people wanting to run 1,4AD Bold and Havoc for 4-6 weeks and they are basically wasting their money on 1,4AD. short duration, short half life ... not a good mix. just thought i'd throw in that out there.:thumbsup:
 

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I know this is a newbie question cause I am new to this stuff and all. What exactly is "shutdown" after your cycle? And what are the symptoms and stuff from it and the best way to minimize it ?
 
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I know this is a newbie question cause I am new to this stuff and all. What exactly is "shutdown" after your cycle? And what are the symptoms and stuff from it and the best way to minimize it ?


shutdown from my understanding is when your balls shrink up to nice tiny lil nuggets- and also if i remember right, this happens while ON cycle, not sure about after. i've never shutdown...waiting to see on my epi run right now- so i dont know the sypmtoms- or if there are any...i guess you gradually see your nutts saying bye bye...the best way to minimize it is not go on cycle...lol- but the best way to recover from it is to have a solid PCT...

i too am a semi-newb- not really anymore...but im like swiss cheese brotha- i got some holes...anyone can feel free to correct me
 

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In no way did i mean that all my gains were solid muscle. I just stated that, or what i should have stated was i gained weight as well as increased my vascularity. I tend to store my fat in the midsection while i have veins all throughout my upper body. And after PCT i tried the polumbo diet which only added to my lethargy and weight drop...Probably not the greatest thing to do right out of PCT
 
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Minor hijack, sorry....I am going to pulse epi eod and was considering 30 mg top (but I'm also only 180) and older than many of you. I have used the early ph's but not the "new" generation. How would you compare epi to say 1test or M1test? I have a friend (just one really, no one likes me)haha who is currently running furazadrol and an H clone. Loving it, no shut down great gains (about 10 ibs in 20 days). Am thinking about pulsing these two instead of the epi. Anyone?:thumbsup:
epi doesnt compare. m1t?....hahahah its like taking 300mg of epi lol. I prefer something that i can feel "on" with, epi only gives the slightest feeling of being on. Its good stuff it just really depends on your goals or what you are looking for.
 
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epi doesnt compare. m1t?....hahahah its like taking 300mg of epi lol. I prefer something that i can feel "on" with, epi only gives the slightest feeling of being on. Its good stuff it just really depends on your goals or what you are looking for.
thats like comparing a hummer to a scooter..
 

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cromwell, please explain how you know your buddy isn't shutdown?
He claims he is'nt "feeling" shutdown (ie; libido is good. You'd have to ask his wife, I personally don't wanna know) Obviously, after running any thing there is some degree of HPTA shutdown. Some are just WAY worse than others. He told me he ran (I think) TRN last year and it ****ed him for about 5-6 months even on cycle.
 

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epi doesnt compare. m1t?....hahahah its like taking 300mg of epi lol. I prefer something that i can feel "on" with, epi only gives the slightest feeling of being on. Its good stuff it just really depends on your goals or what you are looking for.[/QUOTEI appreciate the feedback. Actually, I did'nt have any real issues on M1t (was it legit? still don't know) I do think my hair thinned a little because of it (hard to say, its minor), and yes it did shut me down. Really the ****tiest thing I've ever taken was M1P (**** you legal gear:whip: )
leathergy, major shutdown, and ZERO ****ing results. Ok, rant over(oh, and yes I used post cycle therapy, before someone flames me)
You down with pct?
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