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Should we be shaming obese children more?

CDB said:
Actually it was the people who were best at storing calories, those with a tendency toward being fat and the ability to survive food shortages, that survived and reproduced. The reason there weren't many fat people until recently is because food was scarce and people had to bust their ass physically on a daily basis just to survive. Or in other words there wasn't much chance to get fat. Now there is much more leisure time, and cheap calorie dense food that's easily available, and therefore a ****load of fat people.

And you're likely not going to help a fat kid by just shaming him. What the **** is a kid going to do when he's shamed, go to the body recomp boards and learn about leptin and intermittent fasting? Not likely. He's going to reinforce bad habits, go huddle somewhere and eat, and likely not learn what he needs to learn and unlearn the **** he's learned thus far. You need to give them a positive route to follow, and within that context shame is a tool to use to get them on the right path.

I'm for personal responsibility to an extreme beyond most. But blaming a kid who has never been taught the right things is just plain idiocy. You're not born knowing proper nutrition and eating habits, just like you're not born knowing how to pilot a plane. It's something that's either learned or neglected. Blame the people who did the neglecting, help the kids who never learned.
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Good post CDB... I was beginning to think I was the only one with a heart here......
 
Iron Warrior said:
This is a very serious and complicated problem. I'm a Physical Education teacher at the high school level and I'm appalled at the attitude of students, parents, and administrators in regards to health and fitness. People talk sh!t behind my back at work because I never eat the chips, donuts, soda, or milk that are given in every meeting and people look at me as if there's something wrong with me. I think a lot society in general accepts obesity. We don't do that here at AM because we see it from a different angle.

I always have parents writing BS notes for their kids so that they have a "reason" to abstain from physical activity. I also have kids fake injuries to avoid running a measly motherfvcking mile once a week which I've made a mandatory standard. These kids need better parents, it's often times the parents that need to be straightened out. There have also been instances where administrators have asked me not to have hard physical activities during testing weeks because kids can get exhausted.

People have to be educated properly too. You can't give someone BS scare tactics either, you gotta give these kids honest truths about health, fitness, and how they can do that. If you humiliate kids then you can seriously damage them emotionally.

I also think we have to do some things to change society. People have been told that they are beautiful no matter what. Guess what, fat is not only ugly but it's bad for you ! We have lowered our standards and our expectations to accommodate everyone and that's not a smart thing to do.
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:cheers:
 
There are lots of aspects that cause obesity. Obesity however, is a personal issue and can either be resolved, or not resolved at the person's own discretion.

When there is a will, there is a way. When I don't know something in life, I figure it da phuck out. If that is research, or whatever, I seek it out, not wait for it to come to me.


When I first started bodybuilding for the first 1 1/2 years...(that's a long ass time) I just lifted weights however I wanted to and ate whatever I wanted. Of course I wasn't getting any results. What should I have done then ? Chalk it up to genetics ? Feel sorry for myself that I can't build muscle ? Nope.

I knew something wasn't right b/c that was a long time to not get any effects, so I read every damn article and magazine I could get my hands on and learned about proper weight training and nutrition. I went after that information myself, and in just 2 years have changed my physique already.

What the point ? If you want something to happen, you have to go after it yourself. Its not gonna come to you, and quite frankly, no one will feel sorry for you.
 
Sunder said:
I really don't know what the problem is that is causing all these fat kids. Is it the parents, or the greedy society in general? We seem to be living in an ever increasing "I want it - I get it right now" society...my family never even had cable tv while I was growing up, yet kids these days expect that to be a minimal norm, plus video games, movies, etc.
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This is very true. Kids are more spoilt these days then 20-30 years ago. When i was 10 yrs old i was tucked up in bed at 8:30 every night. Now in my area where i grew up the 10 yr olds are out and about causing trouble, smoking, smashing windows etc. There is no disapline in today's society. Parents aren't strict like they used to. i saw it with my own parents. My oldest brother didn't get away with half as much as i did growning up.
If i didnt eat my veggies i went to bed hungry. These days the parents just give in and throw some chips in the oven etc...and i think kids have more attitude these days. Teachers are more laid back....in fact i dont think they're aloud to disipline the kids like they used to. whips and canes etc. Bring it back i say!!
If schools only sold healthy food they wouldnt make as much money and the parents would complain. i cant see the fat problem being solved any time soon. only going to get worse.

why are the fat kids always "sick" on sports days...
 
I think we should shame them. People are worried about them going to kill themselves because their ego's are so touchy, but I say they are going to kill themselves anyway, just a long and more costly way. Shame has a powerful effect on the American socio/mential self. it would work
 
Sunder said:
Why do we seem to be in a time when we "NEED" to have BOTH parents away from the house working?
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It's necessary to maintain the standard of living people have gotten used to having, and in light of the fact that thanks to massive inflation their wages aren't worth **** compared to what they used to be despite the Fed's claims to the contrary. The malign effects of inflation are everywhere, the choice is simple: accept a lower standard of living or put more work hours in on your own or in conjunction with your spouse to get the same buying power you used to be able to earn on one salary.
 
tattoopierced1 said:
Good post CDB... I was beginning to think I was the only one with a heart here......
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I don't have much heart, just practicality. If a dog continuously bites his own balls he's either an idiot or he's been trained wrong. I opt for assuming the latter before the former is demonstrated. Plus I'm sick of getting **** myself for being overweight when I can outrun any of my thin and supposedly 'in shape' friends, out lift them, and smoke them in racquetball and squash game after game. There's more to physical fitness than being artificially thin because you eat nothing but a lettuce leaf a day, which is what a lot of supposedly 'in shape' people seem to do in my experience. Such people shaming a fat kid seems off the point to me since they're both unhealthy and doing stupid things. I'd rather eat big healthy and have a bit of a gut than suck down small unhealthy or big unhealthy.
 
CDB said:
I don't have much heart, just practicality. If a dog continuously bites his own balls he's either an idiot or he's been trained wrong. I opt for assuming the latter before the former is demonstrated. Plus I'm sick of getting **** myself for being overweight when I can outrun any of my thin and supposedly 'in shape' friends, out lift them, and smoke them in racquetball and squash game after game. There's more to physical fitness than being artificially thin because you eat nothing but a lettuce leaf a day, which is what a lot of supposedly 'in shape' people seem to do in my experience. Such people shaming a fat kid seems off the point to me since they're both unhealthy and doing stupid things. I'd rather eat big healthy and have a bit of a gut than suck down small unhealthy or big unhealthy.
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Well said.
 
CDB said:
It's necessary to maintain the standard of living people have gotten used to having, and in light of the fact that thanks to massive inflation their wages aren't worth **** compared to what they used to be despite the Fed's claims to the contrary. The malign effects of inflation are everywhere, the choice is simple: accept a lower standard of living or put more work hours in on your own or in conjunction with your spouse to get the same buying power you used to be able to earn on one salary.
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I'm glad someone said it. The combined salaries of a couple now are equal in buying power to what 1 salary was 20 years ago. You can thank taxes, pork spending, a huge deficit, an even huger debt, and in general a crap monetary system.

Oh and all the government regulations in various industries these days have been shifting all the money to the top and away from the middle class.
 
Tiberius said:
I'm glad someone said it. The combined salaries of a couple now are equal in buying power to what 1 salary was 20 years ago. You can thank taxes, pork spending, a huge deficit, an even huger debt, and in general a crap monetary system.

Oh and all the government regulations in various industries these days have been shifting all the money to the top and away from the middle class.
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I would also say spending and debt have been encouraged. It's necessary to maintain the inflationary policies.
 
I personally hate how America address obesity. Dr Phil, Opera, and Tyra Banks all play up the whole "love me for the inside", etc, etc. This is wishful thinking at its worst. In society we see what we see and judge by our first reaction. The way you present yourself says alot about character and first impressions. Is it right ? no. Is this the way society operates ? Yes. Is it ever going to change ? Probably not.

I feel that fat people don't have a higher expectation for themselves. Is it impossible to get thin ? No. Is it a hard journey ? Absolutely. When you run your expectations so low and do not have the willpower to change it whose fault is it really ? Those talk shows promote a reinforcement for 'being fat is ok'. Why don't they promote a harder work ethic ? Why don't they promote a possibility to get thin (There are MANY success stories out there). No, because it is easier to get into the mindset of wishful thinking and blame society for being shallow as opposed to them busting their ass.

As someone stated before, there is no benefits to being fat. You feel like shlt, you look like shlt, and you probably get treated like shlt too.
 
ReaperX said:
I personally hate how America address obesity. Dr Phil, Opera, and Tyra Banks all play up the whole "love me for the inside", etc, etc. This is wishful thinking at its worst. In society we see what we see and judge by our first reaction. The way you present yourself says alot about character and first impressions. Is it right ? no. Is this the way society operates ? Yes. Is it ever going to change ? Probably not.

I feel that fat people don't have a higher expectation for themselves. Is it impossible to get thin ? No. Is it a hard journey ? Absolutely. When you run your expectations so low and do not have the willpower to change it whose fault is it really ? Those talk shows promote a reinforcement for 'being fat is ok'. Why don't they promote a harder work ethic ? Why don't they promote a possibility to get thin (There are MANY success stories out there). No, because it is easier to get into the mindset of wishful thinking and blame society for being shallow as opposed to them busting their ass.

As someone stated before, there is no benefits to being fat. You feel like shlt, you look like shlt, and you probably get treated like shlt too.
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tyra banks is so money !$!
 
Australian made said:
This is very true. Kids are more spoilt these days then 20-30 years ago. When i was 10 yrs old i was tucked up in bed at 8:30 every night. Now in my area where i grew up the 10 yr olds are out and about causing trouble, smoking, smashing windows etc. There is no disapline in today's society. Parents aren't strict like they used to. i saw it with my own parents. My oldest brother didn't get away with half as much as i did growning up.
If i didnt eat my veggies i went to bed hungry. These days the parents just give in and throw some chips in the oven etc...and i think kids have more attitude these days. Teachers are more laid back....in fact i dont think they're aloud to disipline the kids like they used to. whips and canes etc. Bring it back i say!!
If schools only sold healthy food they wouldnt make as much money and the parents would complain. i cant see the fat problem being solved any time soon. only going to get worse.

why are the fat kids always "sick" on sports days...
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You're right, there's only so much a teacher can do to discipline a student. Students need a ridiculous amount of referrals before they even have to schedule a meeting with the dean of discipline. I don't think I'd whip kids with a cane because they'd just bring a machine gun the next day and kill me LOL.

I wish I could discipline my regular students like I can with my football players but I'd get fired. I'm not talking about demeaning someone in front of other students, I'm just talking about having serious consequences for repeatedly breaking the rules.

Educating kids on eating healthy is more important then providing them with healthy food options. They'll still bring sodas, chips, and pizza to school if you eliminated that from campuses. Fat people have plenty of healthy foods to choose from when they go shopping but they still buy the same crap that made them fat to begin with.

If you want to get kids to be healthy then give them $50 for every 1% decrease in body fat. Money is a great motivator to a lot of people. Trust me, this would also be cheaper in the long run for the taxpayers as well.
 
this thread is starting to make too much sence....my head hurts.......were suposed to be bashing fat kids,not making valid points about society.........god....lol
 
Squeaks4ver said:
I think we should shame them. People are worried about them going to kill themselves because their ego's are so touchy, but I say they are going to kill themselves anyway, just a long and more costly way. Shame has a powerful effect on the American socio/mential self. it would work
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This sounds go in theory but so does communism and socialism. This will only cause resentment and more anger. I used to think steroids were dangerous when I was a teenager. I became educated about them and learned how to use them as a tool for self improvement. We need to do the same with health and fitness for young kids.
 
TripDog said:
this thread is starting to make too much sence....my head hurts.......were suposed to be bashing fat kids,not making valid points about society.........god....lol
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In my ideal world I'd be giving fat people prison sentences in gyms until they were no longer fat but I think most people would say I'm crazy if I did such a thing :D Besides, fat people make us fit people look even better in public so we still want a decent supply of these lard azzes :)
 
Iron Warrior said:
In my ideal world I'd be giving fat people prison sentences in gyms until they were no longer fat but I think most people would say I'm crazy if I did such a thing :D Besides, fat people make us fit people look even better in public so we still want a decent supply of these lard azzes :)
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wow i never looked at it that way....hmmmmm........thanks to fat ass lazy bastard slob stinky bloated fukcers i actually look better...........
 
Iron Warrior said:
Educating kids on eating healthy is more important then providing them with healthy food options. They'll still bring sodas, chips, and pizza to school if you eliminated that from campuses. Fat people have plenty of healthy foods to choose from when they go shopping but they still buy the same crap that made them fat to begin with.
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Too true. Give them apples and they'll candy them at the first chance. Teach them they should eat apples as opposed to a Snickers, and they'll do so.

If you want to get kids to be healthy then give them $50 for every 1% decrease in body fat. Money is a great motivator to a lot of people. Trust me, this would also be cheaper in the long run for the taxpayers as well.
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Privatize health care. So many mid and late life health problems trace back to bad diet and no exercise you'll see insurance companies offerring discounts to people who take demonstrable steps toward better health.
 
TripDog said:
this thread is starting to make too much sence....my head hurts.......were suposed to be bashing fat kids,not making valid points about society.........god....lol
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**** it, bro. Dont' bash the fat people, feel good about your own ripped ass. I don't have the discipline to get that cut, no way no how. I like big meals too much. A ****load of chicken with Mexican seasoning and brocolli and carrots galore. And some avocado.
 
neoborn said:
:toofunny: "if you're going to add a fat person in a sitcom at least have them die of a heart attack before the end of the season"

:D

10/10
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-lol, that was my favorite part too!

-i believe that shaming adults is ok and justifiable, but kids, as cdb has put it,need some positive encouragement.

-this kinda reminds me of the time i was assisting a special ed elementry school teacher and one chubby kid was eating some candy and this even chubbier kid said, " hey, dont eat that, it'll make you fat," and he gives the less chubby kid his apple juice, "drink this, it'll make you skinny". the kids were 2nd graders

-trip i must agree with the other gay guys (they're at least "metro" ;0 ), you have a nice "v" area......
 
Sunder said:
I really don't know what the problem is that is causing all these fat kids. Is it the parents, or the greedy society in general? We seem to be living in an ever increasing "I want it - I get it right now" society...my family never even had cable tv while I was growing up, yet kids these days expect that to be a minimal norm, plus video games, movies, etc.

Why do we seem to be in a time when we "NEED" to have BOTH parents away from the house working? Is it because females are happy doing this, or is it because we just "NEED" to buy more and more junk?
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I agree, mostly. i know some of you have pointed out that its not about greed or "keeping up with the Jones' " , but its about inflation. from what i read, it seems like inflation was the 100% sole reason for two working parents (reiterating the point, because i think i could have read it wrong...). I agree that inflation has ALITTLE to do with it but truly, it has alot more to do with "keeping up with the Jones".

when SUV's were trendy, how many moms really NEEDED an SUV? why didnt a minivan work?

how many people live in houses "alittle" too out of their means .... because it was prettier than the similar house down the road that was alot cheaper.

my grandparents weren't into name brand things as much as many people today are into (im guilty too, i have a purse fettish) )

how many people have huge 50+ inch T.V.s in their homes , and really need them? couldn't the 36 inch t.v. that you grew up with work?



as mentioned before, i truly don't want kids, but if i did, i will always work at least 4 hours a week solely to keep my degree active (or else i have to go to school all over again:aargh: ) because im way too practical for my own good. if my husband dies, or divorces me, etc.... there is no way NO WAY in heck im going to be a waitress ever again, and i like the ability to choose a husband because i like him regardless of his income or my need of income ....... sorry... another rant :) oh yes honey (kwyck), all of those ellipses are for you.....................................................
 
Gixxer82 said:
kid in the picture is pointing to the person across from him "are you gonna finish that??"

how did no one pick up on that? hahahha:rofl:
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I think his fat little brother(or his b*tch) is actually eating his own hand.....:lol: ..he ran out of mc nuggets and was like fukc it.....ahahaha
 
I kinda get a hard on from slamming fat people vs. trying to be constructive. does that make me a bad person ? lol.
 
My immediate answer is YES. But I'm sure there are better ways to go about it. In reality, the majority of kids that get constantly picked on or shamed for being fat probably end up using food as a psychological escape which just gets them fatter. I agree that the parents (and schools) are mostly to blame in the first place though.
 
Eating habits are not the only reason fat parents have fat kids. There are genuine genetic reasons for why some people can easily gain weight while others don't. Genetics is completely responsible for the process of fat storage. This is why men get beer bellies and women get ba-donk-a-donk butts and thunder thighs.

Kids are shamed enough already. Im sure quite often by kids that probobly eat as much as them and have better genetics.

Obesity is a societal problem and not always an individual problem. People have always had the genetics to gain fat easily and effects of those genes have been brought out by the rampant availability of unhealthy and highly process low nutrition food. I hate govenment nanny state politics, but western society desperately needs some dietary reform put in place.
 
here we go.....genetics this, genetics that, of course people are not in control of their lives. what in the world was I think ?
 
TripDog said:
fat people make me sick.............! put the fork down and get your fat ass in the gym....:aargh:
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i feel the same exact way, i really have no tolerance for people that treat their bodies that way. its worse than smoking or drinking excessively in my opinion.

it is not yet socially acceptable to heckle an overweight adult or child, but my guess would be that in the near future it will be fairly common. ill certainly be at the forefront
 
CNorris said:
Eating habits are not the only reason fat parents have fat kids. There are genuine genetic reasons for why some people can easily gain weight while others don't. Genetics is completely responsible for the process of fat storage. This is why men get beer bellies and women get ba-donk-a-donk butts and thunder thighs.

Kids are shamed enough already. Im sure quite often by kids that probobly eat as much as them and have better genetics.

Obesity is a societal problem and not always an individual problem. People have always had the genetics to gain fat easily and effects of those genes have been brought out by the rampant availability of unhealthy and highly process low nutrition food. I hate govenment nanny state politics, but western society desperately needs some dietary reform put in place.
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your statement just took all personal responsibility away from overweight people/kids. thats just not the case. i can cite at least 5 cases of overweight people i knew in highschool being so ashamed and embarrassed by the offhanded comments and heckling that they lost 20-30lbs.

it might be "mean" and "cruel", but i dont really care. my health insurance is high enough.
 
since when was society responsible for people being overweight ? McDonald's must have put some addictive ingredient in their food and its a government conspiracy.
 
ReaperX said:
here we go.....genetics this, genetics that, of course people are not in control of their lives. what in the world was I think ?
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I dont get why people are so ignorant about this subject. Isnt it obvious that some people are destined to be a skinny bean pole their entire life no matter how much they work out or eat? I have friends that desperately try and gain muscle with barly any progress. Last year I was able to lose 10% body fat while gaining about 12 pounds of muscle. I was under a calorie restricted diet the whole time. Are you telling me that genetics dont make a huge difference to how people process the nutrients they consume? Thats just foolish.
 
CNorris said:
I dont get why people are so ignorant about this subject. Isnt it obvious that some people are destined to be a skinny bean pole their entire life no matter how much they work out or eat? I have friends that desperately try and gain muscle with barly any progress. Last year I was able to lose 10% body fat while gaining about 12 pounds of muscle. I was under a calorie restricted diet the whole time. Are you telling me that genetics dont make a huge difference to how people process the nutrients they consume? Thats just foolish.
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....do you see a patern in all your posts...
 
CNorris-

If someone's IQ is high does that mean they will be successful ? If someone's IQ is low should they just kill themselves since they are destined to be nothing ? Genetics are only one factor in life's puzzle. A hardwork ethic and personal responsibility are another.

I know there are plenty of average intellegence people who are successful, and many highly intellegent people who are not successful due to being lazy.

You write your own life and your own destiny. No one else does this for you.
 
ReaperX said:
CNorris-

If someone's IQ is high does that mean they will be successful ? If someone's IQ is low should they just kill themselves since they are destined to be nothing ? Genetics are only one factor in life's puzzle. A hardwork ethic and personal responsibility are another.

I know there are plenty of average intellegence people who are successful, and many highly intellegent people who are not successful due to being lazy.

You write your own life and your own destiny. No one else does this for you.
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That is true to a point, but someone that is genetically gifted to have a high IQ is far more likely to become a doctor, lawyer or university professor. A stupid person could study just as much as the university professor and still fail their classes. Hard work and responsibility can bring you a long way towards success or failure, but you have to understand not everyone starts out level on the same genetic playing field. This applies to obesity, intelligence, fat storage, muscle storage, athleticism and basically every biological function in the human body.

The skinniest guy is the one always eating 5 plates of pizza at, while he doesnt gain an ounce. I know a couple of these types. That is genetics. I am not saying that a majority of fat people dont eat more than they burn. Of course they do. But there are skinny people that eat just as much. Only taking into account over consumption is just ignorant and simplistic.
 
As I stated earlier, genetics are a factor, but not the only one. One task that may be easier for one person may be harder for another. That is what makes us as humans unique. Similar to the guy who never studies and get an A vs. the other guy who studies forever and get a C.

Life is not without adversities, but as I stated earlier, when there is a will there is a way. Some people struggle more than others, but if you want something bad enough no one is stopping you from getting it.


People need to play the hand they are delt with to the best of their ability rather than waste time bltching about what someone else has.
 
ReaperX said:
As I stated earlier, genetics are a factor, but not the only one. One task that may be easier for one person may be harder for another. That is what makes us as humans unique. Similar to the guy who never studies and get an A vs. the other guy who studies forever and get a C.

Life is not without adversities, but as I stated earlier, when there is a will there is a way. Some people struggle more than others, but if you want something bad enough no one is stopping you from getting it.


People need to play the hand they are delt with to the best of their ability rather than waste time bltching about what someone else has.
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:goodpost: :hammer: must spread reputation before giving it back to Reaper
 
ReaperX said:
As I stated earlier, genetics are a factor, but not the only one. One task that may be easier for one person may be harder for another. That is what makes us as humans unique. Similar to the guy who never studies and get an A vs. the other guy who studies forever and get a C.

Life is not without adversities, but as I stated earlier, when there is a will there is a way. Some people struggle more than others, but if you want something bad enough no one is stopping you from getting it.


People need to play the hand they are delt with to the best of their ability rather than waste time bltching about what someone else has.
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I am not saying any different. People that easily put on weight need to deal with having to eat right their entire life. Skinny people get to eat whatever they want and not work out. Some people can get ripped by lifting a few days a week while others slave in the gym every single day. Of course life isnt fair.

I am only pointing out the fact that genetics play a huge role in fat storage to those ignorant enough to believe all fat people lay around all day in a pile dorito crumbs, pizza boxes and soda bottles.

Its very common for people to have the simplistic mind set that calories in - calories burned = fat storage. This is completley ignorant of peoples genetic tendency to store surplus nutrients, where they get stored or if they are even processed in the first place. I knew a guy in high school that would pound entire boxes of little debbie snack cakes almost daily and he was about 7% body fat. His actions did not effect his body weight like it should have according to all the people in here that have a simplisic view of the human body.
 
Cnorris i dont really care if some people are genetically predisposed to fat storage or not. ok?

that means they might have to work harder to get their fat asses in shape. thats all.
 
jomi822 said:
Cnorris i dont really care if some people are genetically predisposed to fat storage or not. ok?

that means they might have to work harder to get their fat asses in shape. thats all.
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So all stupid people have to study more, and all retarded people with physical dissabilities need to work on not being retarded, all skinny people need to eat steak and work out 5 days a week? I saw this skinny ass tall lanky guy that was about 6 foot 4 and weighed 170 pounds. I look at him and think what a freakin' bean pole, that guy needs some protein and a gym membership. But then I realize its none of my business. Fat people dont bother me unless I see some ladies arm fat flaps hanging down. If they cover it up, I could care less. It just makes me feel better about myself and motivates me to keep working out.
 
Mrs. Gimpy! said:
I agree, mostly. i know some of you have pointed out that its not about greed or "keeping up with the Jones' " , but its about inflation. from what i read, it seems like inflation was the 100% sole reason for two working parents (reiterating the point, because i think i could have read it wrong...). I agree that inflation has ALITTLE to do with it but truly, it has alot more to do with "keeping up with the Jones".
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I have to disagree. Inflation is the major part of it, and people are not so much keeping up with the Joneses as they are trying to keep up with the standard of living they've come to expect but can't easily afford anymore. It's one of the most pernicious effects of inflation, more and more people get pushed to or below the poverty line because their nominal wages are worth less and less even as they rise. It's hard to explain how major it is unless you understand the economics of it. Prices are supposed to fall. That they are generally holding steady and even rising in the face of increases in production and productivity is insane.

my grandparents weren't into name brand things as much as many people today are into (im guilty too, i have a purse fettish) )
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I don't doubt it, but that's one of the ideological tools that the rich and connected use to make people feel bad. You, I, and everyone else have a right to expect to have the opportunity to live better than our parents and grandparents did. We are not supposed to be damned to poverty, life is supposed to get better and we have every right to expect it to. And if living better means more kitchen gadgets, brand name this or that, so be it.

With the increase in raw production and productivity over the years the dollar should be worth a lot, and it's actually worth a lot less than what it used to be. That means as hard as you work, every hour of productive activity has literally been stomped on, and people are more and more encouraged to spend what remains to support the artificial streams of revenue the inflation has allowed some who politically connected and legally favored to enjoy.
 
CNorris said:
The skinniest guy is the one always eating 5 plates of pizza at, while he doesnt gain an ounce. I know a couple of these types. That is genetics. I am not saying that a majority of fat people dont eat more than they burn. Of course they do. But there are skinny people that eat just as much. Only taking into account over consumption is just ignorant and simplistic.
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That's not true though. No matter what your genetics, if you don't eat the calories the fat won't be there. You have to be eating more than you burn to maintain obesity. It is that simple. Now some people do have an advantage in this area in that they have naturally high BMRs and can eat the same or more than another person and not gaqin weight. That just means it's harder for some people to lose weight given the calories restriction necessary and the typical serving and portions peope eat.

But in the end it does just come down to the calories. A person who doesn't eat isn't going to gain or maintain weight no matter their genetics. And those who are prone to store fat simply need to eat less in the end. Maybe a lot less than others who can pack away pizza and nachos by the ton. But in the end genetics can't trump thermodynamics. It's all about energy in vs energy out.
 
CNorris said:
So all stupid people have to study more, and all retarded people with physical dissabilities need to work on not being retarded, all skinny people need to eat steak and work out 5 days a week? I saw this skinny ass tall lanky guy that was about 6 foot 4 and weighed 170 pounds. I look at him and think what a freakin' bean pole, that guy needs some protein and a gym membership. But then I realize its none of my business. Fat people dont bother me unless I see some ladies arm fat flaps hanging down. If they cover it up, I could care less. It just makes me feel better about myself and motivates me to keep working out.
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Wow talk about completely missing the point.
 
Chad said:
they should keep the fat kids away from the normal kids in schools.
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agreed...we don't want normal thin kids catching some airbourne fat kid diseases....
 
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