prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Pretty much any connery saying is a classic. My personal favorite is " This room don't react to well to bullets.".
H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log
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Pretty much any connery saying is a classic. My personal favorite is " This room don't react to well to bullets.".
thebigt
Legend
hey ecto, the mission it you choose to accept it. buy 5 gms of trione powder'6oxo' in powder form, buy a bottle of penetrate mix it up. you get a months supply of 6oxo for about as much as 10 days would cost. oh yeah, it to is much more effective in td. trust me on this, 4 squirts 2xa day and you will be right. this message will self destruct.
thebigt
Legend
the new dude from casino royale has got it going on. cant wait for next one. scene where he was getting hit in the nuts, hell i thought i was gonna puke. ooch:nutkick:
thebigt
Legend
nutra planet is selling old activate cheap. that would be a killer stack.
jays23
New member
So do you think NHA stack with E-Form will be too many AI together?
thebigt
Legend
jay im gonna let you off the hook on that one, you're new and im in a good mood. pay attention-i did not say add e-form to nha stack. i said stack it with activate. use the form as your ai. you will like it.
celc5
Well-known member
I was discussing this question with Neoborn in this same thread. There's some suggestions there.
Also read Neoborn's FAQ for tons of formestane discussion.
E-form solo will be awesome my friend.
neoborn
Well-known member
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celc5
Well-known member
Nice links neo... i didn't know nettle root was sold in bulk. Anyone ever use it?
T, what's the TD dosage for 6-oxo? Unfortunately, Ecto will be stuck with the kids and a futon while his wife gets the house and 1/2 of his paycheck if he gets caught using a TD :lol:
Ironically T, I got Casino Royale from the chick I banged on Friday. Speaking of which... Holly Freakin He11, the single LOOOOOOOONGEST orgasm of my life! E-form makes me a super hero in the bedroom for sure (maybe some effects from Halo too?)
Day 7
Despite an "explosive" digestive issue today (and I mean that from both directions), I had a decent workout. I had to play a lot of head games to stay on track though. Decline bench was up 10lbs to 185x7 today which is a nice pace so far.
I also have to say that formestane usually makes me cranky and gives me a short fuse. This has not been an issue thus far into my cycle, and I credit this to H-drol.
T, what's the TD dosage for 6-oxo? Unfortunately, Ecto will be stuck with the kids and a futon while his wife gets the house and 1/2 of his paycheck if he gets caught using a TD :lol:
Ironically T, I got Casino Royale from the chick I banged on Friday. Speaking of which... Holly Freakin He11, the single LOOOOOOOONGEST orgasm of my life! E-form makes me a super hero in the bedroom for sure (maybe some effects from Halo too?)
Day 7
Despite an "explosive" digestive issue today (and I mean that from both directions), I had a decent workout. I had to play a lot of head games to stay on track though. Decline bench was up 10lbs to 185x7 today which is a nice pace so far.
I also have to say that formestane usually makes me cranky and gives me a short fuse. This has not been an issue thus far into my cycle, and I credit this to H-drol.
thebigt
Legend
here is some good news. bulk 6oxo powder is more effective than oral dosing. use it the same way, 5gms in penetrate. 4-6 spays twice a day. about $30 for a months supply of 6oxo. dont forget its also more effective as a td. once added 2gms 6oxo powder to e-form, now thats an effectiiiiiiiiive libido booster. man i still get chills when i think about the nut buster chair in casino royale.:nutkick:
EctoPower
Active member
Hey, Celc, you remember my wife's temperment! Yep, she'd be really curious about me using a TD, which would lead to her inspecting my stash and either asking me or just researching herself what the heck it all is. Bad times. The less she knows, the better. So, I buy the stuff, hide it in the closet and take it when she's not looking... welcome to marriage. But thanks for the info T.
Glad you guys like the Indiana Jones quote. I believe it was Raiders of the Lost Ark that had a visual example of Sean Connery's knife to a gun fight comment. Remember that one? The arab dude does a bunch of tricks with his giant sword as everyone looks on in amazement, then Indiana Jones cooly pulls out his gun and shoots the guy dead. Classic.
Celc, explosive digestive issue from both ends? You're puking? What the heck is that from? Sounds really awful. And more importantly, was it from both ends at the same time? Yeesh...
I'll update this in my totally useless, abbreviated Propadrol log too, but I took my BF measurement yesterday and it said 12.5%. That's down from 16.2% a month ago. I think there's a little error room in there because I don't see that much of a difference, but I took 3 measurements and averaged them to get both numbers, so who knows. I'll measure again in 2 weeks and 4 weeks out to see if it changes as the 6-oxo works out of my system.
Keep kickin butt and banging random chicks Celc! This log rules...
kabuki
Well-known member
yes i did have some shutdown but i believe it was from the finigenx as it is known for that and halo is not. I used Tamorifene and Diesel Test Hardcore for PCT and it worked very well. retained all my strength gains and continued with setting PR's through all 4weeks of PCT.
never used formestane. i will read up in neo's thread.
as for bulk nettle root. I have a couple jars of it but have not used it beyound taste testing it. I love Activate.
never used formestane. i will read up in neo's thread.
as for bulk nettle root. I have a couple jars of it but have not used it beyound taste testing it. I love Activate.
neoborn
Well-known member
So let me get this straight you all lie about your "use" of "performance enhancing drugs" to the people you supposedly "care most about"? Last time I checked being dishonest and lying weren't highly rated for keeping a loving marriage going till death do we part!:nono: :rasp:
thebigt
Legend
till death do us part is right. if my wife knew everything ive done she would kill me.:food:
EctoPower
Active member
Don't bring the rest of these guys into it by saying "you all"... it's just me. As I've explained to Celc, I hide it because it's really not worth the hassle of explaining it to her. The best example I can give is that when I tried NO-Xplode once in the past, she expressed concern because she thought THAT was a steroid. And taking caffeine in a pill form is a big no-no, because "that's like taking a drug!" Did my argument that caffeine is a drug whether I take it as a pill or she takes as a Diet Coke get me anywhere? Only to the couch for the night.
That's what I'm up against. I love my wife, but she just doesn't get this stuff and it's better if I just keep quiet about it. In the past when I tried to keep her in the loop about what I was taking, the above exchanges took place. So, judge me if you like, but I don't feel too bad about it.
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EctoPower
Active member
See, I try to protect you guys by explaining to Neo that I'm the only one who lies to his wife, and you go and throw yourself into the fire with me!! :lol:
BTW, I wasn't challenging your Sean Connery knowledge at all. I was familiar with the "Untouchables" quote, but it reminded me of that scene from the Indiana Jones movie.
I respect my elders just fine... except when they're driving 50mph in the passing lane. :smite:
thebigt
Legend
i like this guy!:cheers:
EctoPower
Active member
neoborn
Well-known member
Yeah I hear yah, hopefully you can spend some time to bring her round ........or not 
I tell my wife about it all and she doesn't agree with all the supplements I do, but she loves the biceps so it evens out
Much Love,
Neoborn
Just pointing this out because it sounds like your all sneaking and cheating on your wives with PH/PS's
I tell my wife about it all and she doesn't agree with all the supplements I do, but she loves the biceps so it evens out
Much Love,
Neoborn
Just pointing this out because it sounds like your all sneaking and cheating on your wives with PH/PS's
celc5
Well-known member
Kabuki, you're an Activate fan. How's it compare to MassFx, if you've tried it?
T, I'm in the process of trying to convince the CEL rep to carry some transdermals, as another option to the Dermabolics. I'll let ya know if he bites on a premade 6-oxo.
Fellas, sometimes trying to explain things to a woman is like beating your head against a brick wall... nothing but a big headache :frustrate:
T, I'm in the process of trying to convince the CEL rep to carry some transdermals, as another option to the Dermabolics. I'll let ya know if he bites on a premade 6-oxo.
Fellas, sometimes trying to explain things to a woman is like beating your head against a brick wall... nothing but a big headache :frustrate:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
That scene was from Temple of Doom.
I've tried both and honestly couldn't tell the difference. Nettle + Form stacks quite nicely as T pointed out.
EctoPower
Active member
Really? I could have sworn that was from Raiders. Hmmm... I may have to watch both and confirm this.
Aw, who am I kidding? Like I have time for that!
thebigt
Legend
i think that dsade would have made the penetrate/formestane premixed if he could. there might be some kind of legal thing involved. you notice that dermabolic has a 6oxo/7dhea thing called metacort. the 6oxo content is very low but gives good results. backing up my theory that 6oxo is much more potent as a transdermal. adding 2gms of bulk 6oxo to e-form was a very successful experiment. cel does clones, so if they put out transdermals im sure they would be resonably priced. thanks for the effort celc, i am all about bringing prices down on supplements. markup in this industry is way to high. i do everything i can to get the word out on inexpensive-quality products, that is a primary purpose for me on this forum. prid is very knowledgeable about saving a buck, kinda con the cheap side-just kidding.:stick:
celc5
Well-known member
Wait sec T... Isn't metacort ATD plus 7o? If it's 6oxo, that needs to be in my next pct for sure :head:
T, I've heard similar things about legality of TDs. However, I never really followed up with learning more about that.
Oh and actually, the only thing I suggested where he seemed to bite was a TD 6oxo. So, who knows... we might be on to something here.
Prld, poseidon is gonna be in my next stack for sure. I'm trying to decide if i wanna drop in EAA or BCAA for my preworkout/during workout mix. You guys have any suggestions?
T, I've heard similar things about legality of TDs. However, I never really followed up with learning more about that.
Oh and actually, the only thing I suggested where he seemed to bite was a TD 6oxo. So, who knows... we might be on to something here.
Prld, poseidon is gonna be in my next stack for sure. I'm trying to decide if i wanna drop in EAA or BCAA for my preworkout/during workout mix. You guys have any suggestions?
EctoPower
Active member
Why drop either? By the way, do you have an update for this log, or are we just BS-ing now? Not that I mind that! How are you feeling? Still happy or raging? What up????
What workout today?
celc5
Well-known member
For how sick I am, I'm still in a good mood. I cut down to 1 scoop of protein per shake, increased banana intake, increased water intake. I'm also cutting out cissus, the extra hawthorne, and cycle support for today. Those are all things that seem to be irritating my stomach over the last 2 days. I'll reintroduce all of them again tomorrow if I feel better.
Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
JJC
Well-known member
I think he meant/said "drop in"...I also had to read it twice to make sure I saw what he said. :blink:
Anyways, I would definitely say BCAA over EAA any day. Whether you go bulk, Xtend, or Excell is up to you....but BCAA for sure.
celc5
Well-known member
I was unclear about what I meant with my next stack. I want to "drop in", as in ADD, either BCAA's or EAA to my poseidon. I'd like to pick up one or the other, not both as I'm a cheap skate just like prld :lol:
ReaperX
Well-known member
Start poppin' the Vit C.
EctoPower
Active member
Wait a second, how sick? From what? Flu? Is this related to the puking thing, or are you sick from the Halo? I thought the puking was an isolated incident. That sucks man.
And is the lethargy really rocking you? I swear, I was falling asleep at my desk on Propadrol.
T or Prld, do all newbs get crushed by lethargy like that, or is it really dose/compound dependent?
celc5
Well-known member
The lethargy is from this stomach issue. About 1/2 of my patients have a stomach virus so that seems to be what I have. It comes and goes. If anything, I'd like to think the Halo is keeping me going at work today.
Good call Reaper. The extra C is one supp that I've taken twice today already.
Just a note, I have not missed any doses of H-drol or E-form.
Good call Reaper. The extra C is one supp that I've taken twice today already.
Just a note, I have not missed any doses of H-drol or E-form.
thebigt
Legend
good, dont skip any doses. you dont want hormone levels bouncing around. get well,t.
celc5
Well-known member
Hey T, take a look at post #127.
thebigt
Legend
if you got the cash-purple wraith/poseidon b-a. i really liked purple wraith/poseidon but wanted to try different stuff so i dropped the pw, it aint cheap but imo its the best. together b-a poseidon/pw would be killer for the combination of cm and beta alanine. citrilline mallate/beta alanine is a no brainer. one of the best combos you can get. go to palo alto forum and look at my pw/incarnate/poseidon log. after i added bulk cm it really took off. i am still using this.
EctoPower
Active member
Well, I was pulsing Propadrol with Retain2 on off days. It crushed me. 60mg in two doses on the first day and I felt fine. Lethargy and a wicked headache hit on day 2. Two more 30mg doses on day 3 and the lethargy and headache continued. By the afternoon of day 4, I had enough and bailed. Lethargy and headache continued through day 6 or 7. Bad times.
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I should have started with 30mg instead of 60mg. Oh well. Now I know. Right now I am taking 6-oxo and DHEA. Currently ramping down on the tail end of the cycle. This was intended as my quasi-PCT after the pulse. But it's worked pretty nicely as it's own cycle.
thebigt
Legend
Well, I was pulsing Propadrol with Retain2 on off days. It crushed me. 60mg in two doses on the first day and I felt fine. Lethargy and a wicked headache hit on day 2. Two more 30mg doses on day 3 and the lethargy and headache continued. By the afternoon of day 4, I had enough and bailed. Lethargy and headache continued through day 6 or 7. Bad times.
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I should have started with 30mg instead of 60mg. Oh well. Now I know. Right now I am taking 6-oxo and DHEA. Currently ramping down on the tail end of the cycle. This was intended as my quasi-PCT after the pulse. But it's worked pretty nicely as it's own cycle.
this is for future reference. DONT RUN AN ANTI-CORT ON CYCLE. the reason everyone runs an anti-cort post cycle is to prevent rebound. ph are the best anti cort you can take, the retain2, is probably what was causing your problem. do yourself a favor and post a 'what do you think of this thread' next time. pm prid, that guy knows everything-celc is gaining fast. check with one of them next time.:study: :study: :study: :study: :study: :study: :study:
celc5
Well-known member
Agreed but just one difference with his cycle, he was pulsing. All the doctor D threads suggest to use a cort control on off days during a pulse. On that note, most aren't running the "off day" AI or cort control until about the 3rd week.
I think it's pretty ironic that pulsing has been under wraps and mysteriously re-appears as soon as epi comes out :think: Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown... just my opinion FWIW.
FYI for everyone, check out the stickies posted by Dinoiii on Lean Bulk regarding post cycle therapy. Some of the best info I've seen anywhere. His newsletter also sounds promising, although I haven't read it myself yet.
I think it's pretty ironic that pulsing has been under wraps and mysteriously re-appears as soon as epi comes out :think: Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown... just my opinion FWIW.
FYI for everyone, check out the stickies posted by Dinoiii on Lean Bulk regarding post cycle therapy. Some of the best info I've seen anywhere. His newsletter also sounds promising, although I haven't read it myself yet.
thebigt
Legend
i dont personaly like the idea of pulsing. i like the split dosing of h-drol just because it keeps your levels more consistant, no spiking. who am i to argue with dr.d? i think outside the box, but it makes no sense to me to pulse and take an anti-cort on off days. alot of people dont think you should even start anti-cort till 2nd or 3rd week of pct, i dont agree with this but it strengthens my point about anti-cort on cycle. what kind of rebound you gonna get every other day? shutdown? i ran epi at 4ed for the whole bottle, no shutdown. i ran hema/prop at 50/60 ed, no shutdown. pulsing to me =almost pregnant-either you are or your not. i think the pulsing thing is a hype to get people who otherwise wouldnt try a ph to feel safe enough to try it. just remember a lot of money to be made. power to the people.
celc5
Well-known member
thebigt
Legend
not yet, but we're trying :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:
EctoPower
Active member
Man T, did you need to smack me upside the head with so many :study:?????? Yeeesh! You're officially my "dad" too.
I really don't think it was the Restore. By the way, I think I said before that I took Retain. I keep mixing those up.
Anyway, the lethargy was definitely the propadrol because that was present when I woke up on Day 2. That is, before I dosed Restore. The headache maybe is debatable, but if I remember correctly it started pretty early on Day 2 as well after 1 dose. Could the Restore really cause a headache that quickly? If so, what exactly is the mechanism at work from anti-cort that causes the headache? My assumption at the time, along with Celc's, was that the headach was from raised BP. That was confirmed the evening of Day 4 after I termed the pulse when my BP was slightly elevated.
Regarding the effectiveness of a pulse, I guess it's still tough to say. But the lethargy hit me very quickly and if I had stimmed my way through that and avoided the headache, I think it would have worked as advertised. My goal was not to put on 20 pounds in 4 weeks. It was more like 5-10 pounds in 4-6 weeks. And I'm a total newb, so you're right, it is billed as a "safer" way to get newbs to try PH. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Dr. D basically says, and I'm paraphrasing here, 60% of the gains with 50% of the sides. That's what attracted me to it. Didn't work out, but not necessarily because the method is flawed.
Besides, it was Celc's idea to use Restore on off days. I blame the Steeler fan... :FUfinger:
J/K bro! :cheers:
I really don't think it was the Restore. By the way, I think I said before that I took Retain. I keep mixing those up.
Anyway, the lethargy was definitely the propadrol because that was present when I woke up on Day 2. That is, before I dosed Restore. The headache maybe is debatable, but if I remember correctly it started pretty early on Day 2 as well after 1 dose. Could the Restore really cause a headache that quickly? If so, what exactly is the mechanism at work from anti-cort that causes the headache? My assumption at the time, along with Celc's, was that the headach was from raised BP. That was confirmed the evening of Day 4 after I termed the pulse when my BP was slightly elevated.
Regarding the effectiveness of a pulse, I guess it's still tough to say. But the lethargy hit me very quickly and if I had stimmed my way through that and avoided the headache, I think it would have worked as advertised. My goal was not to put on 20 pounds in 4 weeks. It was more like 5-10 pounds in 4-6 weeks. And I'm a total newb, so you're right, it is billed as a "safer" way to get newbs to try PH. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Dr. D basically says, and I'm paraphrasing here, 60% of the gains with 50% of the sides. That's what attracted me to it. Didn't work out, but not necessarily because the method is flawed.
Besides, it was Celc's idea to use Restore on off days. I blame the Steeler fan... :FUfinger:
J/K bro! :cheers:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Blame both your lethargy and headaches on the hormones. Naturally they'll increase BP in some people which will naturally give you a booming headach. Especially if you start off with too much too fast. Next time do as you stated and ramp slowly.... sounds to me like you might be a hyper-responder to some of this stuff(i.e. you can take less to get the same gains... and save some moola. OH HAPPY DAYS!!!)
Celc, defenitly go with some Poseidon + BCAA's.... we've gotten tons of great reviews from this combo, and it works great. Mix about 2scoops poseidon and 15grams BCAA's and sip pre-during-post.
Celc, defenitly go with some Poseidon + BCAA's.... we've gotten tons of great reviews from this combo, and it works great. Mix about 2scoops poseidon and 15grams BCAA's and sip pre-during-post.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Really? I could have sworn that was from Raiders. Hmmm... I may have to watch both and confirm this.
Aw, who am I kidding? Like I have time for that!
Actually now that you mention it.... I'm not real sure either.:think:
celc5
Well-known member
Ecto, we followed the suggestions. *shrugs :think:
Prld, how does bulk bcaa taste in poseidon? I see 45 servings for $50 in PW... how many in a kilo of the bulk for $35? I need this stack so that I don't "bonk" 2/3 of the way through my workouts. I go in to every workout head first and run out of mental toughness about 45 minutes into a 70 minute workout.
Day 8
A stomach flu over the last 2 days has me down 1/2 pound. I pretty much forced my all of my cals though because I'll be dammed if I'm going to lose weight on cycle! Ironically, the cure for the stomach flu is Deadlifts and a Rage Against the Machine Live disc :head: Feeling a little better as we speak.
I had to lower the weights just a bit today, especially after a peculiar "seperation" feeling in my lower back while doing a set of deads. No pain, but I listened to my body and didn't do anything too risky after that. Despite the odds being stacked against me with the stomach and back issues, I had a satisfactory workout and a nice pump.
I'm noticing that I'm more motivated to do power moves since I've been ON. On the flip side, it's a struggle to get the isolation drop sets and super sets. I have a feeling that this won't be a problem come weeks 3 and beyond.
Prld, how does bulk bcaa taste in poseidon? I see 45 servings for $50 in PW... how many in a kilo of the bulk for $35? I need this stack so that I don't "bonk" 2/3 of the way through my workouts. I go in to every workout head first and run out of mental toughness about 45 minutes into a 70 minute workout.
Day 8
A stomach flu over the last 2 days has me down 1/2 pound. I pretty much forced my all of my cals though because I'll be dammed if I'm going to lose weight on cycle! Ironically, the cure for the stomach flu is Deadlifts and a Rage Against the Machine Live disc :head: Feeling a little better as we speak.
I had to lower the weights just a bit today, especially after a peculiar "seperation" feeling in my lower back while doing a set of deads. No pain, but I listened to my body and didn't do anything too risky after that. Despite the odds being stacked against me with the stomach and back issues, I had a satisfactory workout and a nice pump.
I'm noticing that I'm more motivated to do power moves since I've been ON. On the flip side, it's a struggle to get the isolation drop sets and super sets. I have a feeling that this won't be a problem come weeks 3 and beyond.