3-AD recomp log

maybe throw in some ap or yellowgold to make better use of those extra carbs.
 
xjsynx said:
I ran out of AP & GXR during my cycle, and feel it now.

I plan on ordering some YG next order though...
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good plan cheaper and imo works better. The pumps i have from yg are pretty awesome although they are short lived.
 
Week 3 Day 2

Day 2 – Upper body horizontal dominant
Pre-WO 1 hour prior - 7 caps RPM + 20mg EpiDrol
Pre-WO .5 hour prior -Vendetta + 1 scoop Poseidon + 3 caps Incarnate + Reset AD
Peri-WO - 7 scoops Xtend + 1 scoop Poseidon
Post-WO - Replenish + 3 caps Incarnate + 3-AD

A1) Bench press 6/5,4,3,5,4,3/60s 40x0
  1. 250x5
  2. 255x4
  3. 260x3
  4. 255x5
  5. 260x4 w/spotter
  6. 245x3

Feeling better with bench since I relaize I am not as strong as I thought I was. After my 5th set with a spotter, I put a lot of strain on my right arm which was already tweaked from last week

A2) Seated rowing to mid pec line w/rope 6/4-6/60s 3210
  1. 150x5
  2. 162.5x6
  3. 162.5x6
  4. 162.5x6
  5. 162.5x6
  6. 162.5x5

B1) Low-incline DB press 4/4-6/60s 30x0
  1. 95x6
  2. 95x4
  3. 95x4
  4. 95x5

Backed off onthe inlcine since this is the lift (high-incline), where my right arm gave out on.

B2) Seated rowing to low abdomen 4/4-6/60 3210
  1. 205x6
  2. 210x6
  3. 210x6
  4. 210x6

C1) Close-grip bench press 6/5,4,3,5,4,3/60s 40x0

  1. 195x5
  2. 200x4
  3. 210x3
  4. 200x5
  5. 205x4
  6. 210x3

C2) Wide grip preacher curl 6/4-6/60s 3030
  1. 80x6
  2. 80x6
  3. 85x4
  4. 85x5
  5. 85x5
  6. 85x6

D) Bent over lateral raise (Thumb towards the floor) 4/8-10/45s
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  1. 25x10
  2. 25x10
  3. 25x10
  4. 25x10


Day 2 training conclusion
  • Over all strength going up besides having a bum arm. It is time for Incarnate to earn it's keep
  • After cutting down to 3 caps of 3 -AD, overall energy feels good
  • Too ealry to feel any effects of EpiDrol. Current dosage is 40mg (20mg am/20mg pre-wo) and will stay at this dose for the remaining cycle
  • Total daily dosage of RPM = 11 (2, 2, 7)
 
Any lathargy? nice incline press. im jealous.
 
metroba said:
Any lathargy? nice incline press. im jealous.
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Thanks. Had to drop the weight & reps though, until I can get my shoulder (rotor cuff) and elbow healthy.

Nope. I actually feel pretty good. But it could have been the 4 caps RPM spread throughout the day.

I know I couldn't sleep last night though. Typically I was having trouble waking up. But right now I feel dead, as I slam a Spike Shooter.
 
xjsynx said:
Thanks. Had to drop the weight & reps though, until I can get my shoulder (rotor cuff) and elbow healthy.

Nope. I actually feel pretty good. But it could have been the 4 caps RPM spread throughout the day.

I know I couldn't sleep last night though. Typically I was having trouble waking up. But right now I feel dead, as I slam a Spike Shooter.
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More than 95?! dayum! Have you ever tried poseidon? Stimulants do not wake me up at all in the morning but after sippn on poseidon for only a few minutes im zippn all over the place. I like this log. Keep up the good work.
 
Hey J...hope your arm heals up. Dude...12 RPM all day and 7 Pre W/O...WOW!!! You must be super jacked up! :head:

Nice lifts!
 
metroba said:
More than 95?! dayum! Have you ever tried poseidon? Stimulants do not wake me up at all in the morning but after sippn on poseidon for only a few minutes im zippn all over the place. I like this log. Keep up the good work.
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Yeah man. Poseidon is a staple for me, but I kept waking up every hour on the hour last night... I think for lunch, I am going to take a nap. Speaking of Poseidon, I just found out v2 is coming out soon. Invalid Link Removed

Thanks bro.
 
xjsynx said:
Yeah man. Poseidon is a staple for me, but I kept waking up every hour on the hour last night... I think for lunch, I am going to take a nap. Speaking of Poseidon, I just found out v2 is coming out soon. Invalid Link Removed

Thanks bro.
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Oh yeah Im dep pickn some of the new version. I noticed I dont sleep well while "on". 12 caps rpm a day! I had 9 yesterday and I thought I was nuts! nice youve inspired me to try 10 today.
 
stopping in. looking at using 3AD along with Phera or maybe M14ADD in the future. interested to see the results of the 3AD
 
xjsynx said:
Thanks for the feedback.

I dropped the dosage to 3 caps (450mg), I will see how that works out.
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Hi again.

I'm now actually 95% sure it's the rpm that keeps my lethargy in check. Tried different dosing schemes but it doesnt make a very big difference. Only constant factor is the rpm. I've written a more detailed explanation in my log.

Btw holy **** on your rpm dosing!!
 
Hey xj I noticed you were using GXR and AP.

I love GXR, and see no reason to switch now, but how would you compare those two?
 
redhawk76 said:
Hey xj I noticed you were using GXR and AP.

I love GXR, and see no reason to switch now, but how would you compare those two?
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I ran out of both :(

I feel a more pump from AP than GXR. However, I was only taking 1 cap GXR because of supply.

AP makes greater claims than GXR, but I see more studies that support ALA (all isomers) for glucose support and anti-oxident properties.

I did order USP's new P-Slin since it is way cheaper than AP, but looking forward to the new GXR. Eventually I would like to use a glucometer to see which is the better glucose disposal agent.
 
1HP said:
Hi again.

I'm now actually 95% sure it's the rpm that keeps my lethargy in check. Tried different dosing schemes but it doesnt make a very big difference. Only constant factor is the rpm. I've written a more detailed explanation in my log.

Btw holy **** on your rpm dosing!!
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Nice. At 3 caps (450mg) I am a happy camper and tolerate 3-AD quite well. Really don't have enough to try 4 caps again to find that happy median, but then again I did not see any difference in strength increases between 3 & 5 caps.

I am really interested in comparing the 2. 3-AD & 11-OXO, but my wallet isn't :icon_lol:

Thanx for the feedback
 
3rd week (21st day) on 3-AD
1st week(6th day) EpiDrol

3-AD 3caps (AM, Lunch, Post-wo)
EpiDrol (20mg am, 20 mg pre-wo)

Not feeling lethargic anymore, and workouts aren't such a toll as they were when I was taking 3-AD pre-wo and at 4/5 caps.

Can't feel the EpiDrol kick in yet, but I do at times notice a slight increase in Libido.

I will be going back to the way my routine was originally laid out before I modified it to 2 day on 1 off.

Training Days
Days on: 1, 2, 4, 6
Days off: 3, 5, 7

Today is day 4 of week 3, but I will take off and let my arm heal. and train tomorrow and Friday.


Happy 4th :head:
 
xjsynx said:
I am really interested in comparing the 2. 3-AD & 11-OXO, but my wallet isn't :icon_lol:

Thanx for the feedback
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YW :)

I have this hunch the biggest difference between the two is mainly noticable in your wallet :cool:
 
How many more days are stickn with the epidrol? Day 7 seems to be the day it kicks in. Im interested to see how your strength is the next few days.
 
1HP said:
YW :)

I have this hunch the biggest difference between the two is mainly noticable in your wallet :cool:
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Sounds like it. But I am also curious about the dosing.

Do you take 1 serving (3 caps) in the am and then again in the PM?
That would be 225mg compared to one dose of 3-AD at 150mg.

I think the next 3-AD run I would try 4 caps a day, but take 2 caps in the am and pm, instead of spread out.
 
metroba said:
How many more days are stickn with the epidrol? Day 7 seems to be the day it kicks in. Im interested to see how your strength is the next few days.
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I was planning on 4-6 weeks total on EpiDrol, which makes the duration of my entire cycle 6-8 weeks.

Oh yeah Sunday is legs, where I want to reach the 300lb mark with squats. I am five pounds off, so I am pretty close.
 
xjsynx said:
I was planning on 4-6 weeks total on EpiDrol, which makes the duration of my entire cycle 6-8 weeks.

Oh yeah Sunday is legs, where I want to reach the 300lb mark with squats. I am five pounds off, so I am pretty close.
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Wow thats a long cycle. Are you sure that wont be too toxic or suppressive?
 
metroba said:
Wow thats a long cycle. Are you sure that wont be too toxic or suppressive?
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You can run Adrenosterone up to 8 weeks and it suppose to be fairly mild. I only have a enough for about 3.5 weeks.

I started Epi mid-cycle and one bottle will allow me to run 3.5 weeks

So my total cycle will be 5-5.5 weeks.
 
xjsynx said:
You can run Adrenosterone up to 8 weeks and it suppose to be fairly mild. I only have a enough for about 3.5 weeks.

I started Epi mid-cycle and one bottle will allow me to run 3.5 weeks

So my total cycle will be 5-5.5 weeks.
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cool. looks good. how much weight have you put on so far?
 
xjsynx said:
Sounds like it. But I am also curious about the dosing.

Do you take 1 serving (3 caps) in the am and then again in the PM?
That would be 225mg compared to one dose of 3-AD at 150mg.

I think the next 3-AD run I would try 4 caps a day, but take 2 caps in the am and pm, instead of spread out.
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Well I tried 2/2, 3/3, 2/2/2/2, 3/3/2 and I'm now doing 2/2/2. I dont notice any real differences between the different dosing schemes tbh. I settled on the 2/2/2 because of the following post by PA:

Patrick Arnold said:
since its closely related to the other andros i would expect its pharmacokinetics to be similar. so you would probably see peak blood levels about 60 minutes after ingestion and then a decline until you are back down close to baseline levels 4 to 5 hours later.

both adrenosterone and its metabolite 11-oxotest should follow this concentration curve
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So I'm taking 2/2/2 at 8:00/14:00/20:00, first 2 servings to keep blood levels up during the day and the last is post workout. So basically I'm just winging it lol :)
 
1HP said:
So I'm taking 2/2/2 at 8:00/14:00/20:00, first 2 servings to keep blood levels up during the day and the last is post workout. So basically I'm just winging it lol :)
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Okay. So the the way I am taking 3-AD is ideal, which is very similar to your current dosing scheme.
 
Im very interested in finding out how much muscle 3ad/11-oxo actually puts on.
 
xjsynx said:
Okay. So the the way I am taking 3-AD is ideal, which is very similar to your current dosing scheme.
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For arguments sake you could say there might be different optimal dosing times depending on wheter you want to use it as a mass builder or as a cortisol inhibitor.

If you use it as a cortisol inhibitor it might be best taking it when cortisol levels are highest, say early morning when getting up and post workout. For anabolic purposes you would want a steady level 24/7 I guess so dose every 4-5 hours. But nobody really seems to have a clear answer on optimal dosing especially for cortisol control.
 
Pre-WO Meal

Trying to get a solid pre-wo meal, I am breaking open my tub of SyntheSIZE.

5pm - PRE-WO Meal
Instant Oatmeal - Low-Sugar Apples & Cinnamon (typically I eat the regular oats, but need a change up)
Muscle Milk Chocolate Pudding
3 scoops SyntheSIZE

Tonight
7pm - 6 Caps RPM
7:30PM - Vendetta + SyntheSIZE + Poseidon + EpiDrol (20mg) + Incarnate
8:00pm Peri-WO Sample pack of Purple Wraath + Grape Xtend (1-3scoops) + Poseidon

Post-WO
Replenish + SyntheSIZE + Incarnate + Reset AD + 3-AD
 
1HP said:
For arguments sake you could say there might be different optimal dosing times depending on wheter you want to use it as a mass builder or as a cortisol inhibitor.

If you use it as a cortisol inhibitor it might be best taking it when cortisol levels are highest, say early morning when getting up and post workout. For anabolic purposes you would want a steady level 24/7 I guess so dose every 4-5 hours. But nobody really seems to have a clear answer on optimal dosing especially for cortisol control.
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I would think so.
 
1HP said:
For arguments sake you could say there might be different optimal dosing times depending on wheter you want to use it as a mass builder or as a cortisol inhibitor.

If you use it as a cortisol inhibitor it might be best taking it when cortisol levels are highest, say early morning when getting up and post workout. For anabolic purposes you would want a steady level 24/7 I guess so dose every 4-5 hours. But nobody really seems to have a clear answer on optimal dosing especially for cortisol control.
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for cortisol control:
1 at wake-up, 1 pre-workout, 1 post workout.......
 
great log so far I've enjoyed reading it. definitely subscribed for whatever's left of it.

so based on your experiences with 3-AD thus far you'd recommend it mostly for cutting purposes alone? i can't imagine though that it couldn't be used as a decent mass builder if combined with a solid mass building diet, with doses spaced evenly throughout the day. but i honestly don't know enough yet about 3-AD to say anything with any certainty.

as for Epidrol, how does that compare to Epistane i wonder? is Epidrol more or less a clone of Epistane, or are they two completely different compounds?
 
beebab said:
great log so far I've enjoyed reading it. definitely subscribed for whatever's left of it.

so based on your experiences with 3-AD thus far you'd recommend it mostly for cutting purposes alone? i can't imagine though that it couldn't be used as a decent mass builder if combined with a solid mass building diet, with doses spaced evenly throughout the day. but i honestly don't know enough yet about 3-AD to say anything with any certainty.

as for Epidrol, how does that compare to Epistane i wonder? is Epidrol more or less a clone of Epistane, or are they two completely different compounds?
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Same compounds.
 
beebab said:
great log so far I've enjoyed reading it. definitely subscribed for whatever's left of it.

so based on your experiences with 3-AD thus far you'd recommend it mostly for cutting purposes alone? i can't imagine though that it couldn't be used as a decent mass builder if combined with a solid mass building diet, with doses spaced evenly throughout the day. but i honestly don't know enough yet about 3-AD to say anything with any certainty.

as for Epidrol, how does that compare to Epistane i wonder? is Epidrol more or less a clone of Epistane, or are they two completely different compounds?
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I think it is a great cutter or recomp agent. Waist size I cut about a .25" and .5" around my stomach, and this is on high calorie, semi-dirty diet, because I had to eat a few things to bump my calories up.

On a bulking diet I am sure it would help out from storing fat, but from my experience it would hard to comment on it's anabolic properties, because when I upped the dose I felt too lethargic.
 
Is there a significant difference looking at yourself in the mirror? any before/after shots?
 
metroba said:
Is there a significant difference looking at yourself in the mirror? any before/after shots?
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Before pics are the ones posted with the first workouts.

I will take the after pics after next weeks workouts.

In the mirror, I see my upper toros more defined and fuller.
 
Week 3 day

Day 4 – Lower body hips dominant

A) Romanian deadlift 6/5,4,3,5,4,3/120s 40X0
  1. 235x5
  2. 245x4
  3. 255x3
  4. 240x5
  5. 245x4
  6. 255x3

Will need straps if I want to go higher in weight. Grip is slipping due to sweaty hands.

B) Leg press with feet high on pad 5/5x1/120s 31X0
  1. 720x5
  2. 720x5
  3. 740x5
  4. 770x5
  5. 810x5
Felt very strong on the high-feet leg press.

C) Lying leg curl 3/4-6 + max + max/120s (Rest/pause)
  1. 130x6,4,2
  2. 130x6,2,3
  3. 130x6,3,3

D) Standing leg curl 3/6-8/120s 32X0
  1. 50x8
  2. 60x6,2 // Only a minute rest. I felt ready to go again...
  3. 40x8
Strength and endurance way up

Day 2 training conclusion
  • I felt good today.
  • Pump was solid, My legs felt invincable afterwards. Felt like I could pump out some more reps
  • Energy has been up, recovery superior, and muscle endurance has been huge.
  • DOMS has seemed to whither away
 
keep it goin. I hope to have your stats one day.
 
xjsynx said:
Day 4 – Lower body hips dominant

A) Romanian deadlift 6/5,4,3,5,4,3/120s 40X0
  1. 235x5
  2. 245x4
  3. 255x3
  4. 240x5
  5. 245x4
  6. 255x3

Will need straps if I want to go higher in weight. Grip is slipping due to sweaty hands.

B) Leg press with feet high on pad 5/5x1/120s 31X0
  1. 720x5
  2. 720x5
  3. 740x5
  4. 770x5
  5. 810x5
Felt very strong on the high-feet leg press.

C) Lying leg curl 3/4-6 + max + max/120s (Rest/pause)
  1. 130x6,4,2
  2. 130x6,2,3
  3. 130x6,3,3

D) Standing leg curl 3/6-8/120s 32X0
  1. 50x8
  2. 60x6,2 // Only a minute rest. I felt ready to go again...
  3. 40x8
Strength and endurance way up

Day 2 training conclusion
  • I felt good today.
  • Pump was solid, My legs felt invincable afterwards. Felt like I could pump out some more reps
  • Energy has been up, recovery superior, and muscle endurance has been huge.
  • DOMS has seemed to whither away
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Excellent report xjsynx! Good to hear things are going so well. Looking forward to the updated pics bro! :thumbsup:

Workin
 
DB Press 6/4-6/60s
  • 55x5
  • 60x5
  • 70x5
  • 75x5
  • 75x5
  • 75x5

//Excercise should have been push-press, but any barbell work stressed the wrist too much. Therefore I opted for the DB over head press with semi-supinated grip. Weight was light, but too much stress to lift weight to shoulder.

Close-grip Chins 6/4-6/60s
  • BWx6
  • BWx6
  • BWx6
  • BWx6
  • BWx6
  • BWx6

//Never pushed too hard on the chins. Mainly focused on technique, squeezing each rep, and maximum tensions on each rep.

Cable Cross overs 4/4-6/60s
  • 75x8
  • 85x8
  • 95x7
  • 95x6

//Was supposed to do High Incline DB press, but wrist did not allow it. Therefore, I did cross overs, and squezed each rep for 2 seconds and 4 second negative. Wrists felt fine with cables.

Wide-grip Lat Pulldown behind head 4/4-6/60s
  • 170x6
  • 170x6
  • 170x6
  • 170x6

// Nothing too special. I am not a big fan of this lift behind the neck, especialy with an already tweaked shoulder.

DB Lying Alt. Tri Extensions 6/4-6/60s
  • 35x8
  • 35x8
  • 40x6
  • 40x6
  • 40x6
  • 40x6

//Should have been decline skull crushers, but any BB work was 86ed. Used a semi-supinated grip to keep strain off of wrists. 40lb dbs was the max I can hold well still controlling the weight effectivly.

DB Alt. Hammer Curls 6/4-6/60s
  • 40x8
  • 40x8
  • 45x8
  • 50x8
  • 55x8
  • 55x8

//SHould have been BB curls, but opted for Alt Hammer curls

There really ain't too much to say, besides it sucks to have a bum wrist. And it doesn't seem like it is going to get better any time soon!!!!
 
Back Squats 6/5,4,3,5,4,3/120s
  • 290x5
  • 295x4
  • 300x3
  • 280x5
  • 285x3
  • 285x3

Leg Press Classic CLuster 5/5x1/120s
  • 740x5
  • 745x5
  • 770x5
  • 790x5
  • 790x5

Hack Squat 3/4-6 + max + max/120s
  • 360x4+2+1
  • 270x6+4+3
  • 270x6+3+1

DB Lunges 3/6-8/120s
  • 45x6
  • 45x6
  • 45x6

Improved Squat by 15lbs and reached my goal of 300lbs
Will update with more detail when I have time
 
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